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Reddit F1 Super League 2012 in Formula 1 ·
Edward Howard2 said:Look, here’s the deal: having three or four unpenalized calls spread out over twenty races isn't some massive, earth-shattering crime. It's just not. I really don't think it's fair to hit a driver with a brutal two-season ban—like, stripping them from this year and next—for something like that. Honestly? Disqualifying them from the current season is more than enough punishment for those kinds of mistakes.
Man, they're basically sabotaging the Super League before the next season even kicks off. Losing the top eight guys from the list like that? It’s a massive blow to the lineup.
Just because someone didn't have the bandwidth to drop any sweet posts during this current season doesn't mean they're going to stay quiet next year. Honestly, we can't really know what's coming.
If someone actually earned their spot in the Super League, you've gotta let them race. It’s only fair.
With a rule like this, we could end up losing a heavy hitter. Take Pat, for example. He hasn't really been active in the circuit this season, even though he was a total regular in previous years and might even make a comeback next season.
It’s honestly pretty realistic to expect that if a driver gets disqualified four times in one season for failing to meet requirements, they’re going to end up dead last or second to last. That’s just how it works. They’ll get that handicap for next year, not just because of the DQ itself or missing the rest of the races, but because of all those prior failures too. But hey, if there happens to be an exception—if some driver is just so insanely good that they manage to stay in the blue zone despite all those disqualifications and missed races—then I am 100% down to see them back in the Super League next season. Honestly, someone like that would be a massive upgrade for the league compared to whatever reserve driver just slides in because someone else got kicked out.

As for everything else, I’m generally not really a fan of those wildcards in any kind of competition, but hey, I guess you can play along with them if you have to. Just keep in mind that it’ll probably end up thinning out the field and leaving us with fewer racers in the mix.
The order they’re filling these slots isn't exactly perfect, but honestly? It’s a massive step up from where we are right now. At least this way, it doesn't feel like they're tearing the whole foundation of the Super League apart.

So, my general take? I think this idea definitely belongs in the rulebook. But honestly, I really don't think you need to go as far as disqualifying racers from next season over it. To me, that feels like a pretty massive flaw in your proposal.

There's logic in what you're saying. If everyone agrees the penalty is too extreme, we can easily tweak it so it only applies to the current season.🙂

Like I said, this is just a proposal for discussion, not the final rulebook.😉
If you've got more ideas, lay them on me.

And yeah, I agree on this part—that penalty is definitely overkill.
Reddit F1 Super League 2012 in Formula 1 ·
Edward Howard2 said:So, are these rules active yet...? 🤔

Disqualification in this and next season if someone fails to send three times 🤣... wait, what's the point of punishing them for next season if the racer is already disqualified in the current one? 🤣

Nope. Nobody’s even commented on them or suggested any tweaks to specific parts.
So yeah, I definitely don't want to roll them out before we have a serious discussion and a proper vote.😉

What do you think the point of next season's penalty is?🤷
It's basically to stop people from showing up just to sit there and do nothing, giving their opponents a massive advantage just because of how the schedule falls.🤷
Honestly, those 15-0 wins feel pretty stupid when the match didn't even happen. It's not like the winner did anything wrong, but it's still just plain unfair to everyone else.😳

And it’s not impossible for someone to get kicked out mid-season and still not finish last—or even jump right back into the Super League next year despite losing 3/5 spots due to penalties.🤷

Is that your only gripe, or are there more?
And what’s your take on the rule proposal itself?🙂
Reddit F1 Super League 2012 in Formula 1 ·
She’s good enough to make even you lose🤣.
I’m calling it now: a 12-2 blowout.😁
Jason James said:If two players end up tied, the tiebreaker goes to whoever had the lower maximum point score in their predictions..

Basically, if my highest prediction for any single driver hits 15 points, but stormybadger8 only went up to 12, then his picks are actually better than mine. It means his predictions were more consistent and closer to the actual results.

👍
Even simpler—that should just be the primary tiebreaker under Matthew Young35's criteria.🙂
Here’s what I think is the cleanest, most straightforward way to settle ties for the race rankings:

5. Race ranking tiebreakers are as follows:
a) The player with fewer secondary points takes it.
b) If there's still a tie after a), the player with fewer secondary points from their worst predicted driver wins.
c) If there's still a tie after b), the player with fewer secondary points for the top 15 predicted drivers wins.
d) If there's still a tie after c), the player with fewer secondary points for the top 10 predicted drivers wins.
e) If there's still a tie after d), the player with fewer secondary points for the top 5 predicted drivers wins.
f) If there's still a tie after e), whoever submitted their updated prediction first wins. If nobody updated, it goes to whoever submitted the original prediction first. If one person fails to submit an update, their opponent wins by default.
Matthew Young35 said:Alright, here is a preliminary draft of the proposed rules.

1. To be considered valid, a prediction cannot list the same driver in multiple positions. Additionally, your entry must include exactly the number of drivers specified by the FIA as participating in the race.
2. In terms of ranking, players with fewer total points will be placed higher than those with more points.
3. Scoring is calculated based on the absolute difference between a driver's predicted position and their actual finishing position. This applies to all selected drivers.
4. If a driver you predicted fails to make the grid entirely, you will be awarded 24 points (representing the maximum possible number of participants).
5. The final standings from 1st to 24th will be determined by the official FIA results, which include DNFs, DNQs, and any other technical disqualifications.
6. PLEASE NOTE: These figures—whether we are looking at 22, 24, or 26 drivers—are subject to change depending on how the FIA settles the regulations regarding the total number of cars on the grid.
7. In the event of a tie in total points, we will break it by looking at the accuracy of the top 15 predicted positions, then the top 10, and finally the top five. If we are still stuck in a deadlock after that? Well, then all bets are off.

I think this is totally fine.👍
I'm actually digging this whole 15, 10, 5 position thing. 🙂
Simple and effective. No need for all the extra fluff.
Just one more thing: if they’re tied on those first five criteria, we look at who sent their prediction in first. Simple as that.

I'm not a fan of this whole system where you only get 5, 6, or 7 points for missing the mark either. It's just not working for me.😳
That's exactly what's hardest to nail down. It should definitely be treated as an edge, not a drawback.
So basically, they’d be punishing the exact players who actually nailed those wild results, while handing out rewards to the ones who missed them entirely. Makes perfect sense, right?

Let's say this whole crazy race ends exactly like that proposal above:
Sebastian Vettel at 21.
Lewis Hamilton, number 22.
Jenson Button
Kimi, man.

They always nail the prediction, but then they can't even manage a simple entry. They either forget to list Sergio Pérez entirely or type his name twice and leave someone else out. Typical.
Even if someone pulled off some miracle hit, it wouldn’t mean a thing. It would be totally wiped out by everyone else who missed that entire order by like 80 spots and only walked away with maybe 20, 24, or 28 points.
Imagine if this guy with his "perfect" predictions actually lost 24 points on Sergio Pérez—or even 48 if he gets it wrong twice.😳
Look, just settle on something🙂 as far as I'm concerned. Modify those two and just make them the best they can be.😁
To be totally honest, I haven't given any of these suggestions much thought until I actually see them in action.

But yeah, the current setup is already pretty "complicated" and outdated. Maybe it really is time we shake things up and improve it.👍

Now is the perfect time. Every single year, we start these discussions way too late after the season ends, and we always end up failing to agree on anything in time—plus half the people aren't even around to weigh in.
Then, at the start of every season, we waste time picking moderators and barely touch the rules.
Later on, we’re just patching holes, which is exactly why our system ended up being such a mess.

That’s why I think we should have the 2013 rules locked in before the 2012 season even wraps up.😳
There’s plenty of time, and everyone is actually here right now.🙂
And honestly, Barcelona doesn't matter. We can experiment and figure out what works best first; once everything is defined, then we can move to the poll and voting.😉
William Bennett53 said:Alright, let’s try running the numbers for the Spanish Grand Prix using all three methods just to see what actually happens... fine, great, at least we'll have some semblance of uncertainty before that absolute disaster of a race begins. 😁

Whatever you say🙏
William Bennett53 said:I didn't see much point in drafting an entire set of rules, seeing as they would likely remain identical with the exception of how points are tallied. However, I can offer this one single clarification, if only to ensure everyone understands the scoring logic.

Furthermore, if you are suggesting that Matthew Young35's criteria and my own proposal for the rules are remarkably similar—and given that Matthew Young35 developed the software specifically to aggregate data according to his own criteria—then I find myself quite inclined to support his suggestion. It facilitates a more equitable and logical scoring system while allowing for rapid, seamless automation. 🙏 👍

Just give us a casual breakdown and feel free to copy the scoring rules if you think they need to be the same.

And if you don't mind, run the numbers for that Barcelona race so we can see how it all looks in practice.🙂
They might seem similar at first glance, but just because they look alike doesn't mean one is better than the other. Honestly, they might not even be as close as they seem.
Matthew Young35 said:Someone went and listed the same driver in two different spots.
Someone forgot to mention a driver.
Someone went and listed way too many drivers.
I’ve been giving this some thought, and I think it might be time to put together some formal rule suggestions.

Does anyone else notice that we have a tie in the points standings?
For a situation like this, we really need to come up with an entirely different set of rules and a completely new scoring system. As for that? I’ve already said my piece—I'll leave it to someone else to figure out.

I honestly can't see a single reason why everyone shouldn't be involved in proposing rule changes. Why leave it to a select few?

I couldn't agree more. It would be nothing short of absurd to overhaul the regulations in the middle of a season—unless, of course, every single player on the field was demanding the change.

Not me either.🤷
But it just makes sense for you to be the one proposing them.😉

If someone actually has an idea, they can easily type it out for you.🙂
Right now, my brain is a total blank.🤷
That previous prediction I made was honestly pretty stupid; we need something smarter than that, but currently, I’ve got nothing.

Maybe we could use exact positions, like we did this time.🤷
Or maybe just whoever has the smallest gap between their prediction and the actual results.
Jason Campbell70 said:Well, I doubt anyone will come up with some stroke of pure genius regarding applying a new points system later this season. 🙂

That’s just not on the table.😳
We definitely won't see any changes to the scoring system this season.☕
The only way it happens is if there's a total consensus—meaning a literal 100% vote from every single player in the league.
If even one person is against it or just stays silent, then it's a non-starter for this season. Which, let's be real, means it's basically dead for this year.☕

Any potential changes would only apply to next season, and even then, only if they actually work and we get a massive majority—say, at least 75%—voting in favor.
Matthew Young35 said:It’s actually quite straightforward.
My system focuses on the gap between where you predicted a driver would finish and where they actually landed. Essentially, the higher the discrepancy, the fewer points you earn.
As for DNFs, we just go by the official FIA standings.

That said, the system could use a little fine-tuning. For instance, I’d cap the maximum score at 5 points per driver. We don't want one poorly placed pick—like someone predicting a driver who ends up retiring from the race—to completely tank a person's entire forecast.

If there's a tie in points? Honestly, I haven't a clue; I'll leave that bit to someone else to figure out.

I'm pushing for this specific scoring method because it feels the most equitable. In my view, it provides the most accurate reflection of who truly has the better intuition.
Consider this example: if you predict a driver will take 4th and they finish 3rd, under the current rules, you get nothing. Under my system, you'd walk away with 1 point. Meanwhile, if someone else predicts that same driver for 1st, they missed by two spots, yet under the current setup, they're awarded 5 points.
By my logic, the person who misses by a single position should be rewarded more than the one who misses by two.

I get what the point of the system is, and honestly, I think it’s a "fairer" way to go. But it still needs some fine-tuning. That’s exactly why I want to see how it actually plays out in the real world.😉

And you seriously can't have a system where there isn't a predetermined reason why someone ends up better at equalization.😳
It’s easy enough to end up with a tie where multiple players have the exact same score. We seriously need to decide ahead of time who takes the win and why. If we don't, people start arguing, things get heated, and the whole thing just turns into total chaos. 🙂

That’s exactly my point—we really need to flesh this part out and cover all the bases. For instance, if we look at something like:
Someone went and wrote the same driver in two different spots.
Someone forgot to list a driver.
Someone listed way too many drivers.
Looks like someone’s tied on points.
and so on.

Look, just try to actually think this through and put some ground rules together so we finally know where we stand.
And if anyone’s got an idea, just throw it out there. Feel free.🤷

I mean, it’s pretty obvious that you’re the one who gets to decide the rules since you’re the one who made them up in the first place.😉
Matthew Young35 said:It really shouldn't be.
Thirty minutes, tops.

Great, so you, Dorian, and WayOut are calling all the shots then.👍
I'll drop a poll afterward so everyone else can vote on which system they actually prefer.

By the way, it wouldn't hurt if you and Dorian hammered out some specific rules for your scoring system before the race starts.
Like how points are handed out and what happens in the event of a tie, stuff like that.

That way we actually have something concrete to vote on.🙂
So, you shouldn't have any trouble calculating the Spanish GP results using that system🙂
Nice 👍

So, if I'm following you correctly, you can run those numbers super fast using that system.🙂
But how did you handle the issue where everyone spells the drivers' names differently?
Like, do you have to manually type out every single prediction from the forums, or does the software just let you copy-paste everything in?
Matthew Young35 said:I actually went through the trouble of coding a program based on Matthew Young35's specific criteria... but apparently, nobody cares.
🤷

What if they weren't?🤷

Can I just run the existing forecasts through that program myself, or do they need to be sent over in some specific format?🤷
William Bennett53 said:I’m certainly not against giving it a shot, though I haven't spent much time crunching the numbers for a full championship standings—at least not in the way you'd calculate a tournament bracket—so my timing might not be perfectly calibrated. That said, looking back at how long it took me to map out those tournament predictions, the timeframe seems about the same. Besides, ruggedfox28 and WayOut both mentioned they’re on board, so I don't see why we need to make a fuss over the math. To me, the more pressing issue is that we all seem to agree this new system is fairer and well worth a try. 👍

Agreed.🙂
It’s not just about raw speed,😉 and that’s not the deciding factor here. It’s totally expected that those of you doing this for the first time will need more time to figure it out.
But if it turns out you need the same amount of time—or even less—than someone like WayOut who's already got the routine down, then it proves the system isn't actually any more complicated.
And if you end up being faster? Well, then it's obvious. Not only is the system "fairer," it's also significantly quicker, which makes it simpler. If that happens, there’s zero question about switching to it next season.😉

Plus, that would let us see exactly how much the results differ between methods.😉
Look, do the math or don't, it's up to you. But personally, I'd love to see all three versions side-by-side. I want to see which one looks best, which is fastest, which is easiest, and which is actually the most fair.👍
William Bennett53 said:Go ahead and set up the automation for this new proposal of mine now, so we can hit the ground running next year without any unnecessary headaches. 🙏
It’s clear the referendum passed by a landslide, so there is really no point in keeping this debate wide open.
I actually doubt even darkmarlin16 agrees with it; it just seems like, being the staunch conservative he is, he feels a bit sentimental about seeing the previous, flawed system finally go into the history books.

Look, instead of everyone giving their blessing, I'd rather see all three methods actually put to the test.😁

Let's try this for VN Barcelona:
WayOut - uses the current system. (basically the official results)
Dorian - uses his new method
Bjesomar - uses his own criteria

Everyone just post your results in this thread.
Then we'll see who's actually the fastest (and therefore the simplest) and how it works in the real world.👍
That's probably the best way to figure out which system we should stick with for next season.🙂

If it helps, I can compile everyone's predictions into one single post before the race starts so you guys don't have to deal with the hassle.🙂
ruggedfox28 said:Just when I thought there was nothing left to tweak, I managed to automate my spreadsheets just a tiny bit more 😬

🙏 🙏

@TBF1D - honestly, I should probably just email you my Excel file so you can admire this little masterpiece 😬

It might involve a hair more work than whatever you're doing with those hot dogs, but hey, at least it’s way cleaner and easier to read 😉

Go ahead, send it over. 😁
Who knows, maybe it'll help me manage my fantasy league, or I'll stumble onto some genius idea. 😁
2012 Racing Season: NASCAR, Indy, F1, and more in Formula 1 ·
neonfox65 said:Hey, does anyone know if they carry CBS Sports Network? Also, what size dish am I gonna need to pick up CBS? I'm worried my 1.15-meter one won't cut it...

edit: alright, found the SD version—but the signal is pretty weak. My dish is just too small. How big is yours?

To get CBS Sports HD, you’re gonna need an antenna about 30 inches wide if you're living in Washington, D.C., plus an HD receiver and a conditional access module.
If you want to catch CBS Sports Network around the Washington, D.C. area, you’re gonna need a decent-sized satellite dish—think about 8 to 10 feet. If you set that up, you'll also pick up all those other major networks like CBS, NBC, ABC, and everything else in High Definition.

Around 400 bucks for High Definition? Not happening.$167
Looking for a 240 cm satellite dish. Budget is around $500 to $1,000.😳

neonfox65 said:You just don't get it... my signal is too weak on that channel. I’ve got CS instead.

And over here, it even says the channel is unencrypted FTA http://en.kingofsat.net/find.php?que...tv4&Submit=Zap

But the thing is—my signal is just so weak I can't pick it up at all.

CBS Sports Network High Definition You have to hunt for it. There’s no sense overthinking things because he's already on it. Satellite TV. That’s not an FTA.😳
Back when CBS Sports Network was free-to-air—you know, that old Standard Definition version.😉You can't even catch the signal if your antenna is lower than 8 feet off the ground in Washington, D.C., because it's just too high up. Satellite TV Look, if my guess about where you're located is actually right, then you've got at least a 3.5-meter antenna sitting on your roof.😳
Most people using Satellite TV are die-hard enthusiasts with massive dishes—we're talking huge ones, easily over six feet wide. With a tiny 1.15-foot antenna like yours? Yeah, you aren't catching a single channel from that satellite. Good luck.
2012 Racing Season: NASCAR, Indy, F1, and more in Formula 1 ·
neonfox65 said:But where am I even supposed to watch it? It isn't on any of the regular TV channels... and downloading torrents just isn't the same thing.

What do you mean "nothing's on" when it's right there on CBS Sports HD?😉
You can grab an HD receiver for about 400 bucks or so.$167.