Jeffrey Ramos4 said:That was quite the summary 😬
I follow your logic, really, because I’ve certainly spiraled through those same thoughts myself. But the real question is: where does this all lead? What’s the actual, practical value for an individual living their life? If you dedicate everything to this kind of deep analysis, you end up stuck—either there’s no way out, or there are too many paths, which just leads to total chaos.
For instance, what is the tangible benefit of knowing that a schizophrenic patient perceives the color red differently than you do? Maybe the only point is that it helps you grasp their perspective, allowing for better empathy. Even then, you can't fully bridge the gap because, as you noted, everyone lives within their own subjective experience (solipsism). If that's the case, then things feel incredibly deterministic and hopeless. Isn't it also true that you don't necessarily have to *fully* understand someone? Sometimes you just decide to be there for them—to choose to try and understand—and that intention alone opens the door to everything else, whether as a friend, a partner, or a mentor...
Regarding the concept of being "stupid," that's exactly why I mentioned how pointless it is to define it. Meaning shifts from person to person, and besides, who are we to judge anyone else like that? That’s where empathy starts: realizing we can't view someone else's reality through our own lens. We have to have the will to let them explain their world to us. Only then can we actually begin to see them for who they are.
But what if it were possible to reach a collective level of consciousness without losing our individuality? Imagine being able to step entirely into someone else's shoes while still remaining yourself—where your thoughts and theirs coexist. You could see red through a schizophrenic's eyes and then snap back to your own vision. Then you could actually compare the two. But that introduces a whole new set of problems. If we could maintain a collective consciousness alongside our own, it would be far too easy for people looking to exploit others. It's a dangerous territory. How do you regulate that? Imagine having the power to use a collective connection to overwrite someone's individual identity, effectively erasing who they are. 😲 These are massive ethical dilemmas. It opens the door to much deeper manipulation. 😲 Everything has its pros and cons. It’s probably no coincidence that in Star Trek, the Borg exist as a hive mind without empathy or feeling... just one collective consciousness. Totally robotic. In a way, that’s the endgame. One day, maybe robots will rule the world simply because it might be the only way a collective consciousness could exist without being manipulated by human nature. Ultimately, having emotions is a double-edged sword. 😲 And honestly, without them, there wouldn't even be sex. 😲 And who would want to give that up? 😲🤣
Outside of "practicality"... chaos finally hits... it's always partial, never absolute... it can be perceived... but not fully grasped, understood, or closed off... like something that, unlike perfection (and can perfection even exist?)... is by default something we try to quiet down, degrade, devalue, turn away from, or pretend not to see... all in the name of building structure, meaning, sequence, logic, or reason... trying to force an unquestionable cause and effect. Just blindly following unknown patterns... modeling yourself to meet the expectations of some imaginary version of yourself in some imaginary tomorrow... trying to navigate correctly without at least a thin script of real instructions, practical application, purpose, or significance... It's like a second adolescence based on rebelling against the self (which, just like adults in that first adolescence, breaks everything down just to try and survive within certain constraints... just a collection of trivial inheritance... from the very people they were originally rebelling against...). Is there a third adolescence... when after the sheer force of life and its centrifugal madness... the self crumbles... and perceives that the only constant... all along... was actually just some form of revolt... against itself. And there it is, in the later, most defining years... the only spark still smoldering, keeping that magic vitality alive....
Regarding exits... within the timeframe or essence (years of accumulated density of memory/perception) of a life that can either cradle you or crush you... regardless of whether you want to fight it or just passively cling to where you are... That moment of realization happens in... at... the very place where there is no exit, in the prison (whether it's a gorgeous mansion or sewer pipe #18) that you built yourself... that moment is capable of turning into eternity. It only depends on how much attention or focus you put into measuring it, defining it, or giving it weight.... Without a personal reaction, it just dissipates... just like all those other "incredibly important or totally irrelevant" ideas within a single moment (allowed or forced by "the ether"). Free will... hmm... You aren't exactly free... except to react to ("impulses, urges, intrusive thoughts, hallucinations...".. from "the ether"..) during a given moment. Do these practical constructions actually serve you? Are they just denials of those "Epiphany" moments (which aren't always blissful)? Being practical just serves to create a buffer so that primary thoughts (from "the ether"), fears, and paranoia... don't have enough time to break through to the surface. When they do break through, you make a little noise... spend a stint in the hospital... just like any other normal illness... so you push it all down as fast as possible... and keep grinding forward... into new practicalities/victories (over your own fears). Even though you know you aren't winning any battles or wars... you're just wasting time, money, and energy... trying to prolong things. Practicality is practical... only... for its own sake.
Jeffrey Ramos4 said:That was quite the summary 😬
I follow your logic, really, because I’ve certainly spiraled through those same thoughts myself. But the real question is: where does this all lead? What’s the actual, practical value for an individual living their life? If you dedicate everything to this kind of deep analysis, you end up stuck—either there’s no way out, or there are too many paths, which just leads to total chaos.
For instance, what is the tangible benefit of knowing that a schizophrenic patient perceives the color red differently than you do? Maybe the only point is that it helps you grasp their perspective, allowing for better empathy. Even then, you can't fully bridge the gap because, as you noted, everyone lives within their own subjective experience (solipsism). If that's the case, then things feel incredibly deterministic and hopeless. Isn't it also true that you don't necessarily have to *fully* understand someone? Sometimes you just decide to be there for them—to choose to try and understand—and that intention alone opens the door to everything else, whether as a friend, a partner, or a mentor...
Regarding the concept of being "stupid," that's exactly why I mentioned how pointless it is to define it. Meaning shifts from person to person, and besides, who are we to judge anyone else like that? That’s where empathy starts: realizing we can't view someone else's reality through our own lens. We have to have the will to let them explain their world to us. Only then can we actually begin to see them for who they are.
But what if it were possible to reach a collective level of consciousness without losing our individuality? Imagine being able to step entirely into someone else's shoes while still remaining yourself—where your thoughts and theirs coexist. You could see red through a schizophrenic's eyes and then snap back to your own vision. Then you could actually compare the two. But that introduces a whole new set of problems. If we could maintain a collective consciousness alongside our own, it would be far too easy for people looking to exploit others. It's a dangerous territory. How do you regulate that? Imagine having the power to use a collective connection to overwrite someone's individual identity, effectively erasing who they are. 😲 These are massive ethical dilemmas. It opens the door to much deeper manipulation. 😲 Everything has its pros and cons. It’s probably no coincidence that in Star Trek, the Borg exist as a hive mind without empathy or feeling... just one collective consciousness. Totally robotic. In a way, that’s the endgame. One day, maybe robots will rule the world simply because it might be the only way a collective consciousness could exist without being manipulated by human nature. Ultimately, having emotions is a double-edged sword. 😲 And honestly, without them, there wouldn't even be sex. 😲 And who would want to give that up? 😲🤣
To even reach a decision... if there's any way to find "meaning" at all... it comes from de-rationalizing our own attempts to grasp things. It's almost healthy (read: superficiality/generalization) combined with that typical lack of interest in anything external that doesn't serve us personally. On a macro level, this creates a world where, through digital literacy, we can define the exact tone or shade of red (like rgba or hsla)... but still... primarily... what one person can't transmit or absorb from another—regardless of how many languages they speak or how much code they know (rgba(255,0,0,1); hsla(0/360,100%,50%,1))... is that core perception of red. It stays trapped in that individual "head." Just like that specific shade of red (rgba(255,0,0,.666)). Making the choice to be near someone, just for a moment, for an eternity, despite knowing the empirical barriers... that choice is based on one's own "complex of everythingness." Whatever it is... destructive or constructive... it just exists. It just is. There's no way (and I mean no way, imho...) to categorize it. Being aware of that, after rolling around in the "destruction" of de-rationalization, might lead to nothing more than a convenience... to simply be near someone. To have contact or touch without judging, without belittling them, without putting them on a pedestal or measuring them against yourself... just being part of the moment... for yourself and for them. A fragment of nothingness where there's no need to overthink the hopelessness...
Jeffrey Ramos4 said:That was quite the summary 😬
I follow your logic, really, because I’ve certainly spiraled through those same thoughts myself. But the real question is: where does this all lead? What’s the actual, practical value for an individual living their life? If you dedicate everything to this kind of deep analysis, you end up stuck—either there’s no way out, or there are too many paths, which just leads to total chaos.
For instance, what is the tangible benefit of knowing that a schizophrenic patient perceives the color red differently than you do? Maybe the only point is that it helps you grasp their perspective, allowing for better empathy. Even then, you can't fully bridge the gap because, as you noted, everyone lives within their own subjective experience (solipsism). If that's the case, then things feel incredibly deterministic and hopeless. Isn't it also true that you don't necessarily have to *fully* understand someone? Sometimes you just decide to be there for them—to choose to try and understand—and that intention alone opens the door to everything else, whether as a friend, a partner, or a mentor...
Regarding the concept of being "stupid," that's exactly why I mentioned how pointless it is to define it. Meaning shifts from person to person, and besides, who are we to judge anyone else like that? That’s where empathy starts: realizing we can't view someone else's reality through our own lens. We have to have the will to let them explain their world to us. Only then can we actually begin to see them for who they are.
But what if it were possible to reach a collective level of consciousness without losing our individuality? Imagine being able to step entirely into someone else's shoes while still remaining yourself—where your thoughts and theirs coexist. You could see red through a schizophrenic's eyes and then snap back to your own vision. Then you could actually compare the two. But that introduces a whole new set of problems. If we could maintain a collective consciousness alongside our own, it would be far too easy for people looking to exploit others. It's a dangerous territory. How do you regulate that? Imagine having the power to use a collective connection to overwrite someone's individual identity, effectively erasing who they are. 😲 These are massive ethical dilemmas. It opens the door to much deeper manipulation. 😲 Everything has its pros and cons. It’s probably no coincidence that in Star Trek, the Borg exist as a hive mind without empathy or feeling... just one collective consciousness. Totally robotic. In a way, that’s the endgame. One day, maybe robots will rule the world simply because it might be the only way a collective consciousness could exist without being manipulated by human nature. Ultimately, having emotions is a double-edged sword. 😲 And honestly, without them, there wouldn't even be sex. 😲 And who would want to give that up? 😲🤣
I agree with the "fullness" part... but... 🙂... why this violent (it feels like a violation) need to "understand" ("Isn't it more important to realize you don't necessarily have to fully 'understand' someone")? Rationalization often kills any real "understanding" at its most primal level. Why do we always feel the need to say something motivating or encouraging? Why is it impossible... or actually quite common to notice... that just being human—not "humanity" as a concept, just being human—is enough to connect with someone? To give and receive... without words, without deep empathy, without needing a logical reason... just the banality of being human... a look, a touch, a tear. Saying "I don't know what to tell you..." Well, nobody asked you to give a speech. And even before opening up my soul like that, I knew the reaction would be... "I don't know what I'd say to you..." I put myself out there just to test your "I don't know... driven by my little abstraction..." Neither of us actually knows... what to say to the other's "I don't know"...31>>
Jeffrey Ramos4 said:That was quite the summary 😬
I follow your logic, really, because I’ve certainly spiraled through those same thoughts myself. But the real question is: where does this all lead? What’s the actual, practical value for an individual living their life? If you dedicate everything to this kind of deep analysis, you end up stuck—either there’s no way out, or there are too many paths, which just leads to total chaos.
For instance, what is the tangible benefit of knowing that a schizophrenic patient perceives the color red differently than you do? Maybe the only point is that it helps you grasp their perspective, allowing for better empathy. Even then, you can't fully bridge the gap because, as you noted, everyone lives within their own subjective experience (solipsism). If that's the case, then things feel incredibly deterministic and hopeless. Isn't it also true that you don't necessarily have to *fully* understand someone? Sometimes you just decide to be there for them—to choose to try and understand—and that intention alone opens the door to everything else, whether as a friend, a partner, or a mentor...
Regarding the concept of being "stupid," that's exactly why I mentioned how pointless it is to define it. Meaning shifts from person to person, and besides, who are we to judge anyone else like that? That’s where empathy starts: realizing we can't view someone else's reality through our own lens. We have to have the will to let them explain their world to us. Only then can we actually begin to see them for who they are.
But what if it were possible to reach a collective level of consciousness without losing our individuality? Imagine being able to step entirely into someone else's shoes while still remaining yourself—where your thoughts and theirs coexist. You could see red through a schizophrenic's eyes and then snap back to your own vision. Then you could actually compare the two. But that introduces a whole new set of problems. If we could maintain a collective consciousness alongside our own, it would be far too easy for people looking to exploit others. It's a dangerous territory. How do you regulate that? Imagine having the power to use a collective connection to overwrite someone's individual identity, effectively erasing who they are. 😲 These are massive ethical dilemmas. It opens the door to much deeper manipulation. 😲 Everything has its pros and cons. It’s probably no coincidence that in Star Trek, the Borg exist as a hive mind without empathy or feeling... just one collective consciousness. Totally robotic. In a way, that’s the endgame. One day, maybe robots will rule the world simply because it might be the only way a collective consciousness could exist without being manipulated by human nature. Ultimately, having emotions is a double-edged sword. 😲 And honestly, without them, there wouldn't even be sex. 😲 And who would want to give that up? 😲🤣
Jeffrey, you're leaning a little too hard on that "one day" stuff and all those fancy terms like "collective, digital, universal, magically collective consciousness"... 🙂. In a true collective... there is no "other." There aren't different types of people... no hidden agendas, no secrets, no "this guy" or "that guy"... nothing is private or individual anymore. Everything happens at once, everything is one, everything is now. There's no "your" thought vs. "my" thought. All thoughts become one single thought. Individuality is dead. An aggressor wouldn't even exist, or they'd be wiped out by the sheer momentum of the majority, because a collective feels, knows, and thinks as one... it knows exactly what it wants and doesn't want. Nobody gets violated; there's no violator. Nobody is going to be unknown... unknown doesn't exist. Everyone just wants to be, to do... unknown is primacy, universality, unity. "Think about it"... you're getting way too caught up in that "one day" fantasy 🙂 Sex is just like language or writing. It's the perception of two different versions of the color red. It's the merging of two entities... whether it's surrender... or dominance/violation (even the calculated, consensual, or manipulative kind...). In a state of being where "you" (me, you, him, her, us, them...) can actually open your soul and hand over every single thought about you, about me, about everything... the way I see you (because that's still the core priority, obviously... 🙂), experience you, love you, worship you... that's already handed over to you by default. It's wide open... it's accessible. It's a reality where masks quickly become forgotten relics. Sexual animalism might be useless at a level where there are no barriers between intellects. Where there's no barrier between "you" and "me." Merging one isn't even logical. 🙂
I'm ready to ditch all that animal instinct right now... just to be a pioneer in a new model of possibility like that... SpaceMonkey...