neonhound10 said:Look, think about it this way: you have certain people who just aren't your cup of tea and they get on your nerves. So, you decide to throw a party, and you tell those specific people you don't want them there.
Where is the insult in that?
It's your life, your party, and your choice...
Hold on a second... are you actually comparing those two things?😲
Are you even aware that discriminating against someone based on their race, gender, or sexual orientation is illegal in this country?
neonhound10 said:Honestly, I don't really care about them personally, it just bothers me to see certain people getting all their rights handed to them while everyone else loses theirs...
Take Otto, for instance, who was punished in a way that basically stripped him of his right to speak his mind.
I mean, what’s actually wrong with saying he wouldn't want gay people in his ranks? That's just his own opinion, and he wasn't out there insulting anyone specifically...
So, he didn't actually offend anyone? Really?😲
So, what about gay men? Or am I just supposed to act like they don't exist in your worldview?
Let someone else take the lead on this one. Good morning. The real reason he’s refusing to let any gay men join his ranks... aside from the obvious homophobia, of course.
It strikes me as somewhat absurd when people discuss homosexuality as if it were some modern phenomenon... as if it’s just a byproduct of a decadent society. In reality, it is common knowledge that homosexuality has existed since the dawn of time. The only genuine shift is that, in previous eras, people simply didn't speak about it openly—mostly because it was mischaracterized as a sickness, a mental disorder, or even the influence of "dark forces," as the old guard used to say. Today, we actually have a dialogue. Essentially, through the influence of religious institutions and similar organizations—whose primary goal seems to be keeping the masses in a state of confusion—this theory was manufactured: the idea that it isn't normal and requires "treatment."
Yet, unfortunately, it still feels like we live in a world where if something deviates from the norm—if it’s something the "average" person can't wrap their head around or personally relate to—then the immediate instinct is to try and root it out entirely.
I’m with Roger Evans on this one—the environment you're in is easily the biggest hurdle. I know this firsthand because I’m gay myself. Even though my mom is completely cool with it, I still find myself being incredibly careful about what I say and where I say it. It’s just a reflex at this point.
To take it a step further... there was a time when homosexuality was categorized as a disease or some kind of disorder. But nowadays, that perspective is largely being phased out. Unless you’re dealing with one of those stubborn, Stone Age psychiatrists who refuses to move with the times, being gay isn't classified as a mental illness or a psychological disorder anymore.
I’ve definitely been through the exact same thing... though it was identical in every sense of the word!
In my experience, it usually went down like this: I’d have a specific "type" in mind—which doesn't mean I'm strictly closed off to minor deviations, of course—but then, out of nowhere, I’d find myself completely drawn to someone who represents the polar opposite of everything I thought I wanted. I suspect it might just be that innate human craving for something different, a little bit of novelty or a fresh challenge to navigate. But man... good luck dealing with the fallout once the dust settles.
I think you’ve got your wires crossed here... Are you seriously trying to lump homosexuality into the same category as schizophrenia or alcoholism?😲 OMG!
silverscout15 said:Of course it’s not a small thing if you’re doing it on purpose. But what if it's just who they are? What then? Are we supposed to just reshape someone's entire personality just to suit our needs so we don't have anything to complain about? 🙂 Or should we just learn to love them for who they are?
And what about compromise?😉
I'm talking more about the things we actually have the power to adjust.
Sometimes even the smallest things can trigger a massive blowout if they happen on a loop. If you’re constantly doing something that bugs someone else or feels disrespectful, eventually it stops being a "little thing" and starts being a pattern.
I guess the takeaway here is just moderation in all things... that's probably the best way to wrap this up.😉
silverscout15 said:Hey, that strategy works great if it only happens once in a blue moon, major props! 🙂
But what if it’s happening every single week? 😁
Look, if you're actually speaking your mind once a week, then it isn't even a bad thing..
..but listen..that's exactly my point..it doesn't happen often enough where I actually voice my negative thoughts or feelings, "Missing Word" ..in a way that ends up hurting both myself and the people around me.👎
I've started overthinking everything lately... thinking, "maybe I shouldn't say this so I don't hurt their feelings." What a joke! Honestly, keeping things bottled up doesn't help anyone.
I feel the exact same way. It’s like, I try to convince myself it isn't lying, just "humanitarian withholding." I even came up with my own little term for it: 🙂 But for me, it usually happens when my filter just snaps because I'm feeling so overwhelmed by bitterness...
🤣 You're a good soul!
I haven't actually coined a term for it yet, but I also find that when I finally snap—which, let's face it, is once in a blue moon—things come out that I wasn't even aware I was feeling. It's that "Wait, who actually said that?" moment where everything hits at once.😲
The other person ends up getting hurt even worse than if I had just been brutally honest from the jump..
No, no... that's definitely not a winning strategy.
I have a tendency to hold back too often... and yeah, I know, it’s not a great habit. Not in the short term, and certainly not in the long run.
There was a time when I used to swallow my positive emotions instead of sharing them. Honestly, finding the right words to tell someone exactly how much they meant to me felt incredibly daunting. Eventually, I managed to move past that phase.
But lately, I’ve started doing the opposite—bottling up the negative stuff. It’s this misguided impulse where I think, "I don't want to hurt their feelings," which is just plain foolish. At the end of the day, keeping quiet doesn't actually do anyone any favors.
My aunt lived with schizophrenia. I say "lived with" because she took her own life five months ago at fifty years old. She was first diagnosed back when she was twenty, and from that point on, she endured unimaginable horrors—and we went through them right alongside her. We did everything in our power to be there for her, especially my mother, who completely upended her entire life just to make sure she had the support she needed. There were times she lived with us, times she tried to manage on her own because she felt she needed independence, and she cycled through countless medications and endless hospitalizations. But despite all that, her condition only continued to spiral. After a few unsuccessful suicide attempts, things seemed to settle down slightly. We let our guard down—not realizing we were missing the very signs that were signaling what was coming next. We caught our breath for a second, became momentarily complacent, and that momentary lapse ended in tragedy. There isn't a single day, or even a single moment, where we don't find ourselves wondering what we could have done differently to stop this, or how we could have possibly missed the warning signs.
As for how people reacted to her illness... it was everything. You saw genuine compassion, but you also saw people run for the hills, some offering courage, while others were outright condescending. People are terrified of mental illness because they simply don't understand it; they have no clue how to interact with someone struggling with a condition like that. And ignorance is a dangerous thing.
Honestly, what can you even say about a society where seeing a psychiatrist is still treated like some kind of dark, forbidden secret?
Sandra Walker4 said:It feels like we've stopped fighting and just synced up our views. Even though I have my preferences in women, much like yours, it shouldn't get in the way of us talking. My one hard line is against anyone who abuses children. That might sound harsh, but I despise them. There is absolutely no excuse for that behavior, whether they realize the damage they're doing or not.
That’s why I spoke up here. Sometimes I react too intensely—maybe even too aggressively—but I can't help it. It’s absurd how a single image can trigger such a visceral, negative reaction. Honestly, I didn't have an issue with the LGBTQ+ community until I saw that specific photo. Seeing a small child standing next to semi-nude people at a pride rally... it made me want to smash everything in my room. It felt nauseating. It’s pure injustice, especially coming from a group that claims to champion diversity and inclusion.
I probably need to see a psychiatrist. In certain moments, the rage is just impossible to control.
No wonder I keep circling back to this subforum. Anyway, I'm heading out. Later.🙄
Just try not to judge the entire LGBTQ+ community based on one single photo or one isolated incident...
By that same logic, I try not to judge every straight person based on their billions of screw-ups, you know what I mean?😉
ambertinker51 said:Your take is just wrong—it’s a total misinterpretation of the movie, both from you and everyone else...
Winona—who has BPD and is naturally promiscuous (or "sexually diverse," according to your logic... she sleeps with a guy one minute, then a nurse the next)—is unfairly stuck in an institution for 15 years just because of some minor bullshit and sheer stubbornness... ah, the joys of modern liberalism...
The whole point of the film is the murder she committed and successfully covered up for her lesbian lover—Angelina (if it wasn't love, at least her "beacon of goodness" before the "splitting" kicks in)
Sadly, that's just how people with BPD are, and those gays aren't any better either.....
Oh, you poor, misguided soul... if you were any more lost, you'd need a map just to find your own thoughts. At this rate, you'd probably watch Schindler's List and conclude it was actually a documentary about the architectural merits of building camp walls.
Honestly, I’m done. I’ve decided I’m officially retiring from trying to hold a meaningful conversation with someone whose IQ is roughly equivalent to their shoe size. It’s just a lost cause at this point.
ambertinker51 said:..one of my old professors used to say: nothing snaps a schizophrenic out of catatonia quite like a few rounds of electroshock therapy...I honestly think that still holds water today..
Personally—and let's not waste time with flowery, liberal nonsense—both lobotomies and electroshock are terrifying in their own right. Schizophrenia is just tedious; cerebral cortex disorders are ontogenetically and phenomenologically boring...
We’re talking about midbrain disorders here—specifically the limbic system, that's what this is actually about.
You still haven't told me which school you graduated from, or what kind of job you have that allows you to toss around technical jargon like this—jargon that, frankly, you don't even seem to grasp and likely just lifted from your buddy Google...
Sandra Walker4.. I really don't have the energy to bicker with you, especially since we actually seem to be arguing over something where our views are essentially identical..
ambertinker51 said:From winning the right to vote to economic independence and then sexual diversity—it’s all just one long slide from starting first grade to working in a brothel...
(P.S. the disproportionately high number of prostitutes meeting the criteria for severe and dangerous personality disorders)
Alright... you've been talking nonsense for a while now, but bringing up gay men and sex workers in the exact same breath? That’s just incredibly ignorant at best...
And just to follow up on "Girl, Interrupted"—that movie was made specifically for people like you. It exists so you can finally grasp that regressive mindsets like yours are ancient history. In this day and age, everyone should be able to live without facing homophobes and the other prejudices people like you love to throw around.
But clearly, your tiny brain missed the entire point of the film...🙄
Sandra Walker4 said:I choose peace. I’m not on a battlefield, and frankly, I have no desire to go toe-to-toe with you. You seem like nothing but trouble.
Look, when you called me an idiot, I had to push back. But honestly? You're right. I'll give you that. 👍
No. We need to raise children with more intelligence and more freedom—exactly what I laid out in my initial post. Parents are just too selfish, far too aggressive in forcing their own truths and symbols onto their kids.
What could a five-year-old possibly learn about sexual freedoms beyond just homosexuality? For heaven's sake, that child isn't even burdened by sex or sexual urges yet.
If I had to choose between my kid showing up at some pointless political rally or facing the hostility of a Pride parade, I’d pick the latter. I’d take the euphoria of being seen and smiled at because we share the same symbols—as long as they don't soak up all that aggressive, exclusionary political nonsense along the way.
I wouldn't act that way. Not because I despise sexual freedom or have some obsession with old-school symbols, but because it comes down to one thing: what kind of environment would make my kid feel most at home?
In my view, my child's welfare comes first. Even if that means bowing to the darker side of things.
I literally just stated that I condemn taking children to any kind of political rally or gathering that they aren't old enough to comprehend... if you weren't paying attention.
I also made a clear distinction between rallies that incite hatred and those that don't.
ambertinker51 said:There’s no such thing as "sexual diversity"...
...Or if what you're saying is actually true, then she’s dangerous in that specific way we talked about earlier. Back in the day, older psychiatrists used to call it "innate promiscuity"... just look at *Girl, Interrupted*—you know, that whole "losing youth" thing with Winona Ryder and Angelina Jolie.
It’s honestly tragic—we really need to be teaching kids that people struggling with severe personality disorders often turn to unnatural and degrading sexual behaviors just to cope. It’s all part of that self-destructive cycle... they're just trying to numb the pain and fill that massive emptiness clawing at them from the inside.
I mean, that’s exactly why they resort to cutting themselves...
I want to emphasize the "old-school" part there. If you aren't aware, those kinds of psychiatric interpretations are about as outdated as electroshock therapy. You realize the setting of that movie is the early 70s, right? DUH, rocket scientist!😲
And yeah... they were cutting themselves back when people with your mindset were running the show...👎 👎
ambertinker51 said:There’s no such thing as "sexual diversity"...
Well, obviously it doesn't exist... at least not in your little bubble. In that Hollywood-style worldview you seem to inhabit, I imagine even the concept of women having the right to vote probably hasn't been invented yet. Honestly, they can all just go jump in a lake.