Nathan Turner3 said:I honestly don't think we need this thread here. Like Robert Martin23 already mentioned, he's just trying to organize things the right way. I'm no expert when it comes to water heaters, so if he thinks a specific thread is needed, I'll take his word for it—that's why he's moderating.
I thought we were finally done with this whole thing, but hopefully it's okay if I weigh in. Is there actually a reason to keep debating this? This is supposed to be a place where we can ask stuff and comment, right? Not trying to complain, just wondering.
Regarding the water heater threads, sure, having one for every type makes sense, but the issue is (and I know I said I wouldn't bug you about this again, but just to clarify):
- identical threads already exist
- there are tons of other water heater topics where asking about conventional vs. condensing models wouldn't be out of place (especially since we have threads like "Rheem, Trane, Carrier," "Carrier," "Trane water heater," "Colt water heater," plus "Which gas water heater should I buy?" and general ones like "Gas water heaters - advice, service, issues" etc.)
- the first one was opened on
February 19th (for conventional models) with this post, which claimed the thread was meant to explain the differences between regular and condensing models, yet condensing models weren't even mentioned. To me 😕
After that post, I asked in the thread what the actual point was (me: "...mostly, I don't feel like you gave any useful info on conventional models, and you didn't say anything about condensing ones") and I got this response:
Robert Martin23 said:To be honest, I'm waiting for an actual pro to write an introductory post about these units. Especially since gas appliances are discussed across several threads on the AFL-CIO forums, and while interest is huge, the confusion is even bigger.
You can tell who the experts are just by reading the posts, so I'm asking one of them to keep the topic going regarding condensing units* and provide some basic intro info. There’s a lot of stuff out there that can easily mislead a layman, and technicians in this space are just trying to sell whatever they can.
I know manufacturer websites have plenty of info, but it's usually easier for pros to digest than for regular people. If we can help each other with solid, accurate advice, why wouldn't we?
* a dedicated thread for condensing units didn't exist at the time; it was only opened two days later
- then, old posts start getting copied into the thread—twelve of them... and not just from that day, but including a post from
January 3rd and its reply, which actually fits much better in the "Gas water heaters - advice, service, issues" thread.
Is it really okay to say "technicians in this space are just trying to sell whatever they can"? All technicians? Everything under the sun? Isn't that a bit insulting to all the pros? And coming from one technician, no less?
So, someone just kicked off this new thread about "condensing water heaters," and let me tell you... the intro is absolute madness. Who even writes this stuff? I can't even begin to process this. What am I looking at?
What’s even the point of a website full of jargon that nobody can understand anyway? I was honestly just waiting for an actual expert to weigh in.
Why even start a second thread when the first one already kicked things off like this?
Gas water heaters... such an endless debate, isn't it?Standard gas or condensing units? Which way are we leaning?
Just a standard gas water heater.
I'm no licensed gas technician, but I figured I'd jump in and try to answer some of these questions that keep popping up all over the forum. Just a heads-up though—don't hold me to everything I say, because I know there are plenty of actual pros here who know way more than I do. Maybe my attempt at kicking this topic off will get someone to set me straight. Can we just break down these differences in plain English?.
Wouldn't one single thread be enough to clear up all those differences? Like that first post mentioned, why not just keep it all in one place?
Ever notice how splitting a thread can be super awkward? You try to make the first post make sense without leaving a massive, obvious hole in the old discussion. It’s a weird balancing act, isn't it?
I get it, I've definitely noticed that too. Sometimes a post just vanishes and you're left wondering where the hell it went...
Anyway, this is where the thread first kicked off. 14 ) some later posts were added to the thread—right before that one, including the first two ( 1 I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that. What's on your mind? 2 It’s been a month and a half and I’m still overthinking this? Honestly, why even bring up a problem that’s already fixed? Just because a pro gave him the answer, you know?
I don't get it. If a new thread is already open, why are those two ancient posts stuck right at the top? Plus there are another twelve like that... I mean, shouldn't the actual relevant posts be tucked neatly behind the original post that started the whole thing? My post was literally the second one in line.
I'm pretty sure that’s exactly why. The first post is a bit confusing, isn't it?Look, the thread has a title and there are other posts right there. We all know exactly what the debate is about. Isn't that enough?
Nah, it wasn't even that confusing. It wasn't even the first one—the actual first post was the one sitting at number 14. Robert Martin23 wrote that one and kicked off the whole thread, then just tacked the other posts on in front of it. The rest are fine, but honestly, those first two could've just stayed exactly where they were.
Regarding moving posts around—you know, when you're searching for them and they've vanished? I think it’d be way better to just drop a direct link to where they actually landed, rather than just pointing back to the first page of the thread. Wouldn't that make things a lot easier?
Yeah, Rachel Jones8, I’m with you—that bit about "our long-standing experience" definitely could've been written better instead of just being a straight copy-paste job. But is it really worth starting a whole new thread over? Wouldn't it be easier if you just sent Robert Martin23 a private message to clear it up?
It’s not just about that specific text—that’s only part of it... the whole post feels that way.
And dropping certain brand names right in the first sentence? It kind of smells like an ad.
I see posts getting deleted or flagged all the time when someone is just trying to be helpful... like sharing where they found a good deal or which power tool they actually like, yet it gets read as a promotion... I don't get why this post would be treated any differently.
Those were just rhetorical questions; there's really no need to overanalyze this. Everything is settled, I just wanted to clarify what
I wasn't seeing clearly. Hopefully, that makes sense.
Sure, maybe a DM would have been better, but I wanted an outside perspective. I know he'd just tell me everything is great and better than ever, but without explaining *why*.
I mean, maybe things are better, we'll see.
Thanks for reaching out and for the help. 😉