hiddengardener12 said:😠 Austrians aren't really a "people" in the traditional sense; they're more of a nation. If you set aside modern migration patterns, they've never been just a subset of the Germans. Honestly, if you look at the bloodlines in Vienna, it’s probably more Slavic than Germanic. And that's not even touching on places like Gradišče or Carinthia. You've got the Slavic influence, sure, but there's a Canadian component there too. In many parts of the country, their identity is anything but strictly German. Take folks in Tyrol or South Tyrol—their primary sense of self is being Tyrolean. Even the Habsburg dynasty didn't push nationalistic agendas toward the end; if anything, they did the opposite. They never truly saw themselves as German.
Any notion that Austrians are ethnically German or have some right to self-determination by joining up with Germany is a massive threat to Europe and its neighbors. It's something that needs to be stopped dead in its tracks.😉
So, basically, you're saying Austrians are a nation rather than an ethnic group, and that this whole German identity thing is still messy because Bavarians and Austrians are kind of like how Americans in America and Americans in Canada are—separated by a border but sharing the same vibe and genes. 😉
First off, if we're going down the rabbit hole of looking at bloodlines, Vienna is packed with Slavic heritage since so many students and officials moved there. You can see it in the last names; like, that actor from Inspector Rex? His name is Markovics, he's Czech, and people like that know exactly where they come from.
Second, about the whole "blood" thing (which is kinda silly since ethnicity is more about language and culture than just DNA), Tyrol is definitely a German ethnic region. And since South Tyrol was handed over to Austria, it makes sense why they lean so hard into their regional identity, but hey, they still want to be part of Austria. Historically, the national consciousness of Austrians has always been pretty solid since they led the way for the German people within the Holy Roman Empire.
German people. By your logic, German states should have less right to call themselves German since they were made up of hundreds of cities, counties, and bishoprics back in the day. And honestly, the Eastern Germans have the most Slavic blood among them, mostly Lutherans. There's no such thing as a "pure" people—even your own people have German and Canadian DNA, just like us Americans. Linguistically, culturally, and genetically, Austrians and Bavarians are basically the same people; ask any of them and they'll tell you. Genetic studies on Austrians as a nation line up with Bavarians almost everywhere, except maybe the R1a group is higher in Austria, but we don't know the specific ethnicities of those test subjects. At the end of the day, Slavs in Austria have guaranteed minority rights, and I bet people tend to marry locally anyway because it's easier. For a population of 100 million spread across Switzerland, Germany, or Austria, they've got plenty of genetic consistency. As for America, our genetics vary quite a bit even in such a small area, so I doubt Austria would be any different.