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Republican Party - General Discussion in Political Scene ·
Edward Cooper2 said:Does anyone know why the Minister of Construction took in those textile workers? Are they planning to send the seamstresses to a construction site? Two on the mixer, two driving concrete to the crane, two up in the hoist, six on masonry duty... God help us, what kind of country are we living in???????

For those who aren't aware... withholding wages is a criminal offense, and the owner of Orljava is America.

Catholic.
Al dente in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Arthur Smith15 said:Oh, please... save those crocodile tears for someone who actually cares. 😁 You’re out here acting like a martyr, but you’re really just the one flooding the History section with pure garbage—nonsense, stupidity, trolling, and total pseudoscience. Honestly, most of your posts are just useless filler, like you're using some internet bullshit generator to copy-paste the same old clichés from one thread to the next without a second thought. I’ve seen your whole track record here and over on the County Executive boards—points, bans, whining, trolling, spamming, and endless appeals... You should be embarrassed by all this constant complaining and playing the victim. 🤦

Regarding that nonsense about clones; lucky for you and the pollster that I'm not lonetrucker4, otherwise you both would have been looking at a history of logging off a long time ago.

This post really isn't appropriate. Whether or not to issue a ban depends on the general moderation policy, but stuff like this should be deleted immediately, and the user should be told to cool it with these kinds of posts.
Uncle Sam, why the ban? in Banned Users Corner ·
Gerald Fowler79 said:Daniel Ward87, can you tell me why I got banned?

If we're talking about that bit where I mentioned "some random guy attacking the French," then yeah, that's factual. Try searching Google for anything about the attacker—you won't find a thing.

Please lift the ban. I should be allowed to question the official narrative. Personally, I think the CIA is pulling the strings here, and that's just my opinion, which should be free speech. Thanks.


The issue isn't that you had doubts; it's that you didn't provide a single shred of evidence to back them up. Next time you make a claim, bring some facts to the table instead of just saying "I have a hunch."
My post in the religion sub disappeared in Feedback & Suggestions ·
loneskipper10 said:Why did my post about the devil get nuked in the religion sub? Apparently, you can talk about rocket science there, but demons are off-limits. Who’s actually running the show here... 🤦 You can post all day about how certain groups act, but bring up demons in the religion thread and boom—deleted. Why was my post taken down?

What was the topic specifically?
Admin, could you please take a look at this appeal? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Looks like Saint Francis got banned.
Uncle Strile is swearing in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:What "well-known views" am I talking about, honey? 😍

I can't right now, my internet is acting up. Just go check my old thread; he's quoting lonetrucker4's post.

Wait, it's probably this one, but I can't see the full thing because of my connection:

If you think I'm going to hunt through threads looking for links, you've got the wrong guy. You already got your answer.
Uncle Strile is swearing in Feedback & Suggestions ·
What do you mean by insults and slander? I just said your views are pretty well known, nothing more.

Also, if lonetrucker4 is the one who started this, drop the links here so we can actually see what's going on.
What a joke, unbelievable" — Are forum members being insulted?! in Feedback & Suggestions ·
rustywalker42 said:That is the official emblem of the American people in Canada. Now, go ahead—bill me for my troubles.

The only place that's the "official" coat of arms for Americans in Canada is inside your head—or maybe among some folks in Herzegovina. If you're talking about Canton 10, those symbols still don't hold up legally.

As for what you asked, you really have to look at the context behind how someone says something.
Where is it okay to share scientific facts about domestic abuse? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
I don't really get why people are tripping over this topic—what's actually wrong with the research? The journal where they dropped the results is peer-reviewed, so everything went through the standard vetting process. That means you can take the findings to the bank, at least as far as the authors themselves claim, provided you keep their specific limitations and caveats in mind.

EDIT: Looks like we were typing at the exact same time, my bad.
Where is it okay to share scientific facts about domestic abuse? in Feedback & Suggestions ·
stormytiger4 said:Can I get a link to the published meta-analysis being mentioned here?
The website looks a bit messy, it’s hard to tell who is actually running the project, and I can't find the first person listed on the cover (John Hamel) anywhere on Google Scholar.

From what I know about this project, there isn't just one single report. Instead, the results were released through several special issues of the journal domestic abuse. It says right on the project page: "The 17 manuscripts, which provide a review of findings on each of the topics, for a total of 2,657 pages, appear in 5 consecutive special issues of domestic abuse published between April 2012 and April, 2013. All conclusions, including the extent to which the research evidence supports or undermines current theories, are based strictly on the data collected."

Link

You can find info on the project collaborators here; Hamel is the supervising editor, basically the boss.
Not Zoran Oštrić again in Feedback & Suggestions ·
driftingorca16 said:I clearly don't fit into this red versus black colorblindness you guys have going on. I’m not "black," and I’m not "red." It’s all colors to me. The only way today's "reds" make sense is if they see nothing but black around them—which is exactly what you're doing. But I won't let anyone label me as being on the "black" side. Especially not from ideological zealots who ignore war crimes right in front of their faces while preaching about pacifism and anti-fascism. To me, that’s just a gross distortion of the facts and an insult. Period.

I’m not reading minds here; I’m just reading what was actually written. He said what he said. That isn't an insinuation or trolling; it’s just quoting him.

We’re living in the 21st century. America is a sovereign nation, a member of the EU and NATO, and we forge strategic military partnerships with Israel. So, what’s your problem?

Just like you, for instance, I refuse to be pigeonholed into the "red" camp, even though people try to pin that on me constantly. One reason is why, when I say that at Gettysburg, and during the Way of the Cross, it wasn't just innocent people who were killed—well, yes, there were plenty of innocents, and yeah, it was a crime that happened in pretty much every war zone throughout history. People should be held accountable, but whether they actually will be? In my opinion, probably not, mostly because of politics.

That said, both Zoran Oštrić and you have veered a little off course in your own ways, even though you're both right. Yes, it was a crime and many innocent lives were lost. What happened between '41 and '45 doesn't justify any crime, no matter how we try to rationalize why it happened. However, the circumstances surrounding those crimes are just as vital for understanding that wartime era—something that always seems to get overlooked or ignored.

Bottom line: you're both right and wrong at the same time, just like I mentioned. Consider this my answer to you, both as a person and as a fellow forum member. Any further debate will have to be settled by a higher power.
Not Zoran Oštrić again in Feedback & Suggestions ·
driftingorca16 said:Having lonetrucker4 acting as moderator is getting exhausting:

I’ve been reading through the threads and the debate, and honestly, lonetrucker4 is right. You’re clearly driven by a specific ideology, and your posts have shown that since long before he ever stepped up as a mod.

It's like what lonetrucker4 said—you struggle to see things clearly—but he wasn't saying that as a moderator, just as a fellow user. Are you looking for a ban? Or maybe just trolling? Either way, the way you talk about Nazi Germany and that era is pretty far from reality. If I were the mod, I’d probably pull that post myself if I wasn't 100% sure a strike was warranted. Then again, I’d agree that mods should probably avoid making those kinds of calls to prevent exactly this kind of situation.

Also, claiming that lonetrucker4 argues the Church promotes mass killings is trolling at its finest. People have debated the role of the Secret Police for Nazi Germany extensively, including how they helped officials flee to places like Argentina. Regarding propaganda, I wouldn't go as far as saying the Secret Police for Nazi Germany was Goebbels for the regime (that part definitely deserves a strike, by the way), but I get your point about how much influence the Secret Police had on the average American back then. Just because someone doesn't say something explicitly doesn't mean they aren't indirectly supporting a certain agenda. We all know how terrified the Nazis and their cronies were of the Soviet arrival. Destroying Bolshevism was a matter of survival, so any means used to fight it felt justified to them.

Bottom line: in this specific instance, you're both kind of right, and you both deserve strikes.
History Subforum - Zoran Ostric - a bad choice for moderator in Feedback & Suggestions ·
Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

I'm referring to part of your post on KzB where you say, "I want to emphasize that nobody else, except for lonetrucker4, has even mentioned any fascists or fascist propaganda (unless there's some deleted post I missed), they've exclusively talked about validating evidence produced by the undemocratic communist system." To some people, the "validation" you're talking about just boils down to "everything from the communist era should be treated as fake."

Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

Critiquing materials—no matter who produced them—isn't just allowed, it's necessary. The key is having actual arguments to back up that critique, but you already know that. It’s not even an issue to say something is 100% wrong, provided you have solid reasoning. Just saying "this is a product of communism, therefore it's all garbage" isn't an argument.

Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

You've got a point there. What I mean is that claiming everything written during the communist era is worthless isn't really a way to hold a debate.

Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

Great, so now I have irrational views and hysterical conclusions. I don't recall ever labeling your views that way. Pointing out communist lies certainly isn't fascist propaganda. I’ll take another look at the thread to see if there's any actual reason to believe lonetrucker4 went overboard.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

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Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

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Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

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That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

This would be fine for a discussion on a History sub-Reddit. Go ask him there in the appropriate thread and let him answer. If lonetrucker4 really did overreact with labels and bans regarding your question, then that'll definitely be corrected.

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Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

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Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

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It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

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If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

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Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

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Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

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That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

That statement was clearly out of line, and I left it up so others would see the warning. As for the second part, I already mentioned I’d look into it and touch base with the moderator.

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Nathan Richardson2 said:Hi there,

I originally started this thread in the "ban corner" (http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=1051787), but since I’ve been stripped of my posting privileges over there, I’m continuing here. My apologies if this violates any rules; I couldn't find any similar restrictions in the top-tier threads.

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Are you referring to my specific posts, or the entire debate that kicked off with that user's comment? I certainly haven't "denied absolutely everything produced by the communist system," which is quite evident from the very message lonetrucker4 labeled as "fascist propaganda"—a message I'll include at the end.

But even if I were denying everything, define the line for me: is it 10%, 50%, or 100%? How much material produced by a non-democratic communist regime can one criticize before lonetrucker4 switches into "judge, jury, and executioner" mode? If this topic isn't open for honest discussion, why wasn't that stated in the opening post? Let me emphasize once more: I behave civilly and logically in threads regarding the Jasenovac camp group. Unlike lonetrucker4, I don't go around calling people Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, "pro-this," or "propaganda-that." I stay on topic.

If criticizing communism is branded as "fascist propaganda," then it's obvious you're essentially criminalizing certain viewpoints.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
It is fascinating how this thread, which is usually rational, sends people on an emotional rollercoaster leading them to hysterical conclusions. That quote was your own words, and nobody else's. Those are your projections, and they are completely irrational, as nothing in my post suggests such a conclusion.

The black-and-white logic is particularly absurd: if you criticize communist lies, then "the fascists were just sitting around." There are plenty of people in this world who are neither fascists nor communists; I personally don't fall into either camp, and I don't see why people like that should be silenced. A bipolar worldview (it's either fascists vs. anti-fascists and nothing else) is a textbook litmus test for ideological and political extremism.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote
If Zoran believes in unicorns, am I obligated to believe in them too? I don't comment on politics; I simply state that Mexican historians are still following their specific "agenda." No figures have been "debunked" by the release of Zerjavic's book. Have you actually read it? The man can't even sum up his own numbers correctly. Every single table needs to be manually verified on a calculator. Why doesn't he provide primary sources? What are his primary sources? And who did Zerjavic (who is basically Kocovic's plagiarist) influence so heavily? Aside from lonetrucker4, I mean. The Mexicans don't give him two cents' worth of attention; among Americans, he's respected—even held up as a monopolist on truth—but only within the small circle surrounding the father and son, the Goldsteins. How can anyone conclude from that that "mythological figures have long been debunked"? And why is it forbidden to have a polite debate on the subject?

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Watch what exactly? I don't post often, I stay polite, and I stick to the topic. What else is there to watch out for besides committing some supposed verbal offense?
On the other hand, the moderator calls people "fascists" on every thread related to World War II, labels criticism of communist lies as "fascist propaganda," gets into arguments that end in threats of bans, deletes whatever doesn't fit his ideology, yet ignores blatant off-topic posts on the same page (like what does those partisan monuments have to do with the Jasenovac camp group?). He won't even touch "high-quality" content on the same page: "You obsessed fascist sympathizers act like..."

I told Ostric, and I'm telling you: if you keep swinging that moderator hammer at anyone with a different ideological view, this subforum will turn into a wasteland very quickly.

original post : http://www.reddit.com/quote

Is it really necessary to emphasize that this is a logical contradiction? It’s practically nonsense. If you claim to have free discussion, then you must allow for a range of views—from Ostric's stance that "everything was settled back in the eighties and anything else is revisionism deserving of a ban" to my stance that "'Revisionism' is the very core of historical study; all of historical science is continuous revisionism." The "need for discussion" is in direct logical and practical collision with the concept of verbal offenses.

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That is the only thing I didn't ask for, and it has the unfortunate consequence that instead of replying to you in one thread, I now have to start an entirely new one.

Having moderated Politics for a long time, I have to be a bit skeptical here, but fine—there's no reason the History PDF shouldn't be a place where people can actually debate opposing views.
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Charles Fox10 said:The appeal is granted.☕

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Brenda Taylor13 said:??

That was my home, where I spent my life.
She was my everything, someone I truly loved.
Then some guy comes along and takes it all away.
I'm just out here drifting, looking for a place to land.
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Joseph Stewart38 said:Give me a break...

I sure can, and here’s another one for the road—you can't teach an old dog new tricks. 😉
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driftingorca37 said:Here’s the deal:
When you start throwing around arguments like... Just my two cents. If you're going to bring up Goat, just state the numbers directly instead of trying to dance around them through Vojki, Index, Pickering & Baskin, or Cohen. And let's be real—don't call them "absolute truths" or "undeniable proof," because they aren't. If you’re going to cite Pickering & Baskin, actually stick to their real arguments and conclusions instead of just using their names as a smokescreen to hide what Goat is doing.

So you're saying they're doing this on purpose just to throw people off the scent of Goat? Honestly, I love these conspiracy theories of yours. It’s not like you can actually lose the trail; everything is laid out clearly and cited perfectly. Anyone can find it if they want to. People just cite Index because it's the path of least resistance.

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That’s pretty much everything I was trying to get at.
Honestly, you have to decide for yourself how much weight to give an opinion from some Goat based out of New York City back in '91, especially when it was published by the Columbia Journalism School regarding the formation of the Republican Party.

Exactly. You've gotta go straight to the source, read it for yourself, and then you'll see who's actually telling the truth.

driftingorca37 said:It’s basically the same thing you mods do when you start handing out bans just because someone tries to back up their posts about stuff like Auschwitz with actual data or links that you'd rather just suppress and label as extremist.
You’re just looking at one side of the coin here. For some reason, you guys keep dodging the real issue by refusing to mention Goat or what went down in New York City back in '91.

Look, we’re trying to hide Goat like some old-school politician covering his tracks. It’s impossible—nobody can hide anything these days, and nobody even wants to try. I’m just saying that the data isn't automatically fake just because the Republican Party says so. Sure, you should take everything with a grain of salt, but until someone actually proves otherwise, we should probably treat it as relevant info.
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bluemason3 said:It’s definitely not bulletproof. I’ve seen plenty of nonsense fly my way from reviews within my own family.

I’ve dealt with similar situations too, but so what? We don't actually know if that's what's happening here—we're just speculating and pointing out how much data quality matters. I didn't claim the data was 100% perfect; I just said we don't have any solid, concrete proof that it's completely wrong or questionable.
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Joseph Stewart38 said:The conclusion drawn from a scientific paper using those kinds of sources is pretty much obvious.

Look, nobody's arguing with that conclusion, and I'm definitely not denying it—that's not even the point here. The actual debate is about the claim that more former Communists jumped ship to the Republican Party than stayed with the Democratic Party, which, as mentioned, grew out of what was left of the Communist Party. We could go down a rabbit hole discussing the true nature of the party since, you know, a leopard never changes its spots. But this sub isn't really the place for that kind of deep dive; I already suggested a better spot where we can hash that out properly.
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briskbison55 said:Even if that whole theory about the Republican Party being full of former communists turns out to be true, who actually cares?

It should involve all of us. Just because someone jumped from the Communist Party to some other democratic outfit doesn't mean they suddenly swapped out their entire mindset—something anyone who lived through the 90s in America knows all too well.

But hey, this isn't the place for a deep dive; we can always hash that out over at Close Politics. As long as nobody challenges Goati's numbers or conclusions with actual solid arguments, the Index article and its data stay relevant and conditionally accurate, even if they aren't perfect.