Eric Sullivan3 said:I really want to believe that not everyone out there is inherently "evil"😁
As for the whole violence and sadism thing, I honestly feel like we all have a tiny little bit of that darkness tucked away inside us somewhere, don't you think?
For instance, I definitely don't think every single person in that video above is some kind of monster or a total sadist, and when it comes to those folks who managed to escape, I suspect it was more about pure, unadulterated panic—just people being absolutely terrified by what they’d done and running for their lives as fast as they could!
Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:I honestly think that when things get this intense, all that repressed stuff just starts bubbling to the surface. You've got all this aggression people aimed at them, those raw emotions they had to bottle up just to avoid looking "weird" or being cast out by society, and those deep-seated fears—it all comes flooding back. It’s not that they’re bad people by nature, not at all, but in moments like these, they just get hijacked by these overwhelming forces. Whether they let it out in a way that looks beautiful or totally ugly, they're really just releasing everything they've been holding in. In a weird way, it's the only time they actually seem to be acting in alignment with who they truly are.
Melissa Sanchez8 said:I think that’s really the crux of it. Add to that the fact that it was carried out by a massive crowd... people act differently in a mob. Individuals who wouldn't dare do anything on their own get swept up in the collective madness...
No accountability, no consequences.
The fear of facing a punishment that doesn't fit the crime is a huge deterrent to acting at all.
There’s a reason we have laws and enforcement agencies in this country...
Everything in nature follows certain rules and laws. Humans aren't some exception to the rule. It's just necessary...
How much of a person do you think is actually gray?
A person is as "gray" as they allow themselves to be.
In cases like the one we're discussing, people are making conscious choices. They know exactly how much damage they're causing...
Drew Lee3 said:I’ve never really bought into this idea that humans are inherently sadistic. I don't walk around feeling an instinctive dread of my surroundings, and honestly, I’ve never once felt that creeping sense of insecurity or fear—not even when walking home alone in the dead of night. If there were actual reasons to be terrified, I’m pretty sure that over the years, I would have picked up on something in the words or actions of the people around me that signaled I should be on high alert. But I haven't. Maybe once or twice, I've caught a vibe from someone that they just lacked empathy, or that they got a little too much of a kick out of being cruel. But compared to everyone else I know? It’s negligible. Though, I do notice that certain parts of the world seem "denser" with these cold, unfeeling, sociopathic types who thrive on antisocial mob mentalities. Why is that? Is it because certain environments tolerate deviant behavior more easily, is it purely genetic, or is it something else entirely? Who knows, I’m hardly an expert.
Also, seeing how a few individuals acted toward the end of the "performance" doesn't actually prove anything. That whole setup might have just attracted the wrong crowd; extreme social experiments often act like magnets for sociopaths and psychopaths. I really feel like I need a more detailed breakdown of this study. Was there a massive surge where almost everyone turned on her, or was it just a handful of outliers—like 10 out of 100? There’s just too little information to go on...
jadetiger37 said:Look, I just want to point out one way of looking at this whole situation—I’ve worked alongside all kinds of artists who pull off all sorts of performances, ranging from the stuff that actually shocks you and keeps things interesting to the total nonsense that doesn't have a single point to it.
Look, they’ve got one massive, glaring issue—they’re basically invisible when it comes to the big money. We're talking zero footprint in terms of actual funding, marketing, or major sponsorships across the entire art scene. To take some of that anxiety off your plate, though—most of these shows are basically rigged from the jump. They’re pre-planned and pre-negotiated just to dodge failure because the market here is so incredibly tiny and stingy. Honestly? I think this piece of hers is a perfect example of exactly that.
Nah, whatever—it’s just about how you send the damn message, you know? 😉
I gotta admit, I spend way too much time spiraling about the human psyche—specifically when it comes to all the violence and pure destruction baked into our DNA.
Look, it’s easy to just throw our hands up and say violence is hardwired into our DNA—I mean, look at the state of the world, right?—but I always find myself circling back to the way a kid's brain actually works. It’s like this raw, unshaped block of clay. A child doesn't just wake up knowing the difference between right and wrong—it isn't instinctual. They don't get it until someone shows them, or until they're taught. Period.
So I'm sitting here looking at this performance—it’s basically just some high-brow attempt at "education," right? As if they actually have to teach us how to do art or whatever... give me a break.
Look, when you step back and really look at things, animals don't have "evil" in their DNA—everything they do is just following the cycles and the raw rules of nature. But then we humans come along, gifted with this massive intellect that’s supposed to set us apart—you know, the whole "higher evolution and progress" thing—meant to be used for the greater good of everyone. The catch? In way too many cases, we use that brainpower for the exact opposite... pure destruction.
And here’s another thing—no matter how much good and positive stuff gets done, the bad and evil crap will always have a wider, louder impact... How much of those two extremes we actually allow to seep into our own mental wiring basically determines which one ends up surviving in the long run.
Here’s a situation that’s crucial for what I’m getting at... It was about some domestic violence where the father—and I’ll be blunt here—was a straight-up monster, abusing his kids for years, extremely brutal and loud about it. When we asked the neighbors if they knew anything and why they didn't report it, their response was basically that they shouldn't meddle in other people's business and it wasn't their problem, even though they'd admit it was horrific.
One thing specifically bugs me, and honestly, worries me too—looking at how many people on this forum, even in "lighter" situations, run away from stepping up because of this exact excuse, or just out of fear and worry about the fallout from their actions...
The point is—ramping up traits like apathy, indifference, egoism, selfishness, alienation, and asocial behavior, while letting empathy, altruism, responsibility, compassion, and other pro-social behaviors slide, puts us in a spot where we aren't just dropping below the level of functioning animals, but we eventually start viewing every other human being as a threat.
So, my summary is that constant education in these areas is vital—even through sending messages like this, reminding us that we need to stay active in everything happening around us and with the people we can reach. Even though evil exists and always will, we still have the chance to protect ourselves from it, regardless of how it keeps finding its way back.
It's exactly what I was talking about—I don't feel that much fear about being surrounded by those kinds of people, but what really worries me is what happens if it *does* occur and nobody around me reacts or feels the need to jump in and help?
btw, Hazen, great topic... 👍
It's a shame that, for some reason, things aren't more active on this forum lately...
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🙄 Regarding those quoted above... I am honestly just waiting for someone to start rationalizing murder; I wouldn't even be surprised if that happened. I mean...
facts..
what does an opinion matter when someone is actually stabbing you with a knife?! Would anyone even bother discussing this while sharing their experience watching a performance? Ask yourselves; you don't need to answer me.
Keep-Calm
Having recently become a mother, I find myself occasionally reflecting on the fundamental nature of humanity—specifically how it appears at its inception. From my perspective, I see nothing but good. There is this innate craving for attention, love, and patience. What might superficially be perceived as "malice" actually seems to stem merely from a misunderstanding of one's surroundings and a simple desire to have one's needs met.
🙏 I truly wish you abundant health and happiness, and perhaps even more children if life allows; I say this from the bottom of my heart 😍. Regardless of the environment we inhabit, people like you make life significantly more beautiful and worth living—and perhaps, in my estimation, even worth dying for! 👍
P.S. I suspect that if an individual in that specific performance had begun acting toward the audience in such a way, they would have been instantly branded a lunatic or a maniac. I doubt there would have been nearly as much "debate" or controversy regarding beliefs about human nature. However, when the issue shifts toward COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY 😠, that incredible protective instinct
kicks in.
P.P.S. I am honestly unsure if Hitler ever killed anyone personally, yet all the blame is placed solely upon his shoulders as the ultimate embodiment of evil, whereas Stalin arguably slaughtered more of his own people than Hitler did others... not to mention the history of the United States, stretching from the past right up to the present day! ☕ ... the tally doesn't stop, and it shows no intention of slowing down.
.. I suppose this is an endless topic of discussion 🕺