Anonymous said:The Liverpool-Bayern Munich match... there was this weird 15-minute stretch at the start where everyone just seemed stunned. You could see the guys in the East Stand trying to spark something, but nothing was catching. Then suddenly, the North Stand absolutely loses it. Honestly, I’m not even sure if it would have mattered if we were playing in Tampa or Philly; it doesn't really matter which section the supporters are in, as long as they show up and make enough noise to brag about the next day. It would have been something, but it wasn't quite there. Then, predictably, total chaos breaks out and the whole East Side starts booing. You just can't pull it off without some real hardcore fans.
Exactly... you hit the nail on the head. I was trying to remember the specifics, but I couldn't for the life of me recall who they were actually playing against. Damn, it slipped my mind.
The Liverpool-Bayern Munich match... there was this weird 15-minute stretch at the start where everyone just seemed stunned. You could see the guys in the East Stand trying to spark something, but nothing was catching. Then suddenly, the North Stand absolutely loses it. Honestly, I’m not even sure if it would have mattered if we were playing in Tampa or Philly; it doesn't really matter which section the supporters are in, as long as they show up and make enough noise to brag about the next day. It would have been something, but it wasn't quite there. Then, predictably, total chaos breaks out and the whole East Side starts booing. You just can't pull it off without some real hardcore fans.
Calling all advocacy groups and organizations looking to fight this fan law—if you haven't been part of our recent efforts yet, I want to hear from you. Ideally, please reach out through someone who can officially represent your group or someone who has a direct line to your leadership...
Daniel Carter9 said:Just a quick correction regarding an inaccurate statement.😁I think one group already pulled this off back in '96 or '97, and it was aimed right at you guys—we cleared out the south stands at Yankee Stadium in just ten minutes.
So the real issue comes down to how things are organized and all the trash left behind in the stands, but I suppose it can be managed.😉
Is there any other way to go about this? I just wonder what the actual results will be. Will anyone even notice that 150 hardcore fans aren't in the stands? Honestly, it wasn't even noticed when the entire South Side walked out during the game that year, and did that change anything? Not really.
That happened back in '94. We had thirty minutes of dead silence, fifteen minutes of pure chaos, and then everyone walked out of the south stands—every single last person.
There’s absolutely no way we achieve anything without the hardcore supporters in the North and South sections. Without them, you’d just have those other 25,000–30,000 people scattered in the West and East, who would only cheer sporadically whenever the team starts an attack, and then the media would spin it as if there was some incredible atmosphere created by those hooligans... out there in the stands... I think we still have about a year left under the current fan law, and it would be foolish to start a boycott right now when we actually need to show up. We should go support every single match while we still can. Then, once the new legislation is passed—if it ends up being what they say it will (which is likely)—we take it to court in Brussels. We'd fight to strike down the law. The US has lost almost every legal battle there before, so obviously, it won't be easy. It takes massive amounts of money, effort, and time, but even if it takes five or six years to get that law overturned as unconstitutional, better late than never. Once that happens, then we can finally return to the stands properly... Until then, we can stick to a boycott, since we’ll probably end up in a forced boycott anyway...
In my opinion, a boycott should be the absolute last resort, at least until the new law is actually enacted. That's why I don't get certain groups rambling on about "no more old-school football" or "modern soccer" or whatever else... It’s precisely because of this that we need to show up and prove where football lives. We need to show that we are part of this whole thing. We need to be visible there, rather than just disappearing, because that’s exactly what they want us to do!!
Yeah... I am 100% behind a boycott, but honestly, we should be doing this starting with Matchday 1. If we wait until that Sports Fan Act actually kicks in, it’ll already be too late. We need to hit them hard right away with matchups like Atlanta United vs. D.C. United or even that Rijecan vs. Indianapolis game. Imagine having the four biggest supporter groups all playing in the same weekend, with the Tornada, Ultras, WS, and everyone else joining the boycott. We need to strike from the jump, not two months down the line. Actually, doing it now makes even more sense because attendance is already low. If we fans stay home, there might only be 500 people at the stadium. But if we wait and pull this during a massive derby in two months—especially if the standings are super tight—it won't have the same impact. Even without us, a high-stakes game would still draw 7,000 or 8,000 people. We need to make sure they feel our absence when it matters most.
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"Our goal is to create a stadium atmosphere where entire families can show up without feeling any fear," said Đurđa Adlešić. Under the proposed legislation, the sports federation will implement educational programs for younger fans, aiming to teach future supporters the vital difference between being a passionate fan and just acting like a hooligan. Security guards and stewards will be required to hold special licenses, while organizers, as well as owners and operators of sports facilities, will face additional responsibilities. Đurđa Adlešić also highlighted that ticket counters will be installed at stadiums, and venues will need to be upgraded to ensure they are safer and more comfortable for everyone. Strict measures will also target fans known for violence at games, who will be split into two distinct categories. Courts will be granted the power to issue bans to those who have committed more serious offenses.
Hooligans registered for major offenses will be required to check in at a police station before, during, and after the game. If necessary, travel bans for away games will be enforced, as police will have the authority to seize passports based on prior criminal records. Perhaps the biggest change is that, in addition to the referees, the police will now have the right to call off a match if violence breaks out. Prime Minister Ivo Sanders also addressed a common chant often heard on soccer pitches. "The slogan 'For the Homeland, Ready!' is not patriotic. People were killed under that slogan. In America, we want to foster a spirit of cooperation and tolerance. We aren't cheering based on historical circumstances that led to the deaths of thousands of innocent people in Nazi Germany," Sanders stated.
boldhound8 said:I wouldn't exactly agree with that... that law has been on the books forever, since 2003 if I'm not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong, my memory for dates is pretty shaky😁 If we haven't been wiped out by now, we aren't going anywhere in the next year either.😉 The main thing is we don't crash too hard so we don't lose an entire generation in the stands or an entire local chapter back home.😁
And new people come... don't sweat it. Some people are truly impossible to replace, and yeah, when someone from, let's call it the "inner circle," drops out, the loss is huge. But after 20, 30, 40, or 100 days, things level out. Someone else steps up a bit more, someone new rolls up their sleeves, a third person shows up... the Crips have lost members before (I won't get into numbers so I don't mess up some hundred or whatever, I'm bad with that crap😁), but I don't feel like the group is weaker. On the contrary, I feel like we're constantly moving forward.
But is it time for some kind of action, education, and stuff? Yeah... though I think it's primarily time to stop acting like idiots. I've already written about other topics, I don't have the energy to redo everything right now, so I'll keep it brief... I'm not saying fan groups should stop their activities and "duties," but we need to pipe down when it comes to unnecessary nonsense, the chaos, and those stunts where we make ourselves look like clowns and basically help the police and the government. And worst of all... we're proving to everyone else that what the cops and the authorities tell them about us is actually true.😉 I don't think I need to list which actions I mean; we all know where the line is and we can feel when we've crossed it...
Because this "fight" would be a hell of a lot easier if the government and the cops weren't involved. I'd even dare say we'd have 70% of the public on our side in the "clash against the hooligans who prevent families from going to the stadiums."😉
Of course they aren't going to wipe us out completely, but here’s the kicker: they've basically handed the cops a free pass to arrest people for pretty much anything. And more importantly, looking at how dirty they're playing this, it’s obvious this is a final showdown. What else do you need to see? This is the third time they've tightened the screws in just five years. You don't see any other country in the world where a law gets drastically toughened three times within a single five-year span...
If you know the history, you know that under the original 2003 law, you could be banned, but you didn't necessarily have to report in. I know guys who had bans back then and they went through them without any major drama.
Then 2006 rolled around, and suddenly they started requiring people to check in—mostly "preventative measures" where people get banned without even seeing a judge. Basically, they made some minor tweaks and used them to make life miserable for fans. Now, the restrictions are even harsher. They realized they liked harassing people, and now they have the legal backing to target anyone who ever stepped up to them and carry out pure retaliation. You light up twenty flares, and instead of even trying to prove who lit them, they'll just grab random people from the core of the crowd and charge them with nonsense like wearing masks or shouting "offensive" chants... I don't even want to get into the specifics of how shady it gets...
boldhound8 said:I wouldn't exactly agree with that... that law has been on the books forever, since 2003 if I'm not mistaken—correct me if I'm wrong, my memory for dates is pretty shaky😁 If we haven't been wiped out by now, we aren't going anywhere in the next year either.😉 The main thing is we don't crash too hard so we don't lose an entire generation in the stands or an entire local chapter back home.😁
And new people come... don't sweat it. Some people are truly impossible to replace, and yeah, when someone from, let's call it the "inner circle," drops out, the loss is huge. But after 20, 30, 40, or 100 days, things level out. Someone else steps up a bit more, someone new rolls up their sleeves, a third person shows up... the Crips have lost members before (I won't get into numbers so I don't mess up some hundred or whatever, I'm bad with that crap😁), but I don't feel like the group is weaker. On the contrary, I feel like we're constantly moving forward.
But is it time for some kind of action, education, and stuff? Yeah... though I think it's primarily time to stop acting like idiots. I've already written about other topics, I don't have the energy to redo everything right now, so I'll keep it brief... I'm not saying fan groups should stop their activities and "duties," but we need to pipe down when it comes to unnecessary nonsense, the chaos, and those stunts where we make ourselves look like clowns and basically help the police and the government. And worst of all... we're proving to everyone else that what the cops and the authorities tell them about us is actually true.😉 I don't think I need to list which actions I mean; we all know where the line is and we can feel when we've crossed it...
Because this "fight" would be a hell of a lot easier if the government and the cops weren't involved. I'd even dare say we'd have 70% of the public on our side in the "clash against the hooligans who prevent families from going to the stadiums."😉
You really need to see the difference between the 2003 law and the one coming down the pipeline soon... there's a massive gap. This new law carries a ton of weight, and honestly, most fans—yourself included, unfortunately—don't seem to realize how much power it actually holds.
I’ve been digging deep into this sports fan law, and honestly, it’s an absolute disaster. If this passes, it’s the death knell for fans—everyone from the old-school legends who paved the way to those of us active now, and even the kids just getting into the game. This law is going to cost us all dearly, in our own ways. Even if we don't disappear overnight, the constant stream of bans will slowly bleed us dry. And the worst part? Those provisions targeting schools mean we won't even be able to attract the next generation. We'll see small groups vanish first, then the big ones. Just look at the situation with the local hardcore supporters; they're already feeling the squeeze, and that’s before this law even hits the books. Someone higher up claimed we’d be gone in ten years, but they're being way too optimistic. We’ll likely be wiped out within a year of this going live because the current crowd will get crushed by legalities, and no new blood will step up to fill the void. This is the make-or-break moment. We have to show the public—the average Americans—what’s actually happening here. It needs to be something massive, like a huge grassroots movement or a petition against a major corporate takeover. We can't do this alone; we need allies, sympathizers, and regular people to stand with us. Everyone needs to get involved. We need to hit the news stations, go on TV and radio to explain the reality, hand out flyers, put up posters, and organize rallies—but they have to be peaceful, without a single incident. We need lawyers who actually speak "fan language" to represent us, we need to get statements out to the press, and we need a dedicated website. We could take it step by step, but I think the most eye-catching move for the public would be a total boycott. That’s what would really grab the attention of ordinary people and other fans. Imagine the opening weekend—two of the biggest rivalry games of the season. Now, imagine if not a single organized supporter showed up for the first round. You’d have maybe 2,000 people scattered through the whole stadium. Then, for the second round, fans only show up for the second half. By the third round, people just watch the first half in silence and walk out during the second. But—and this is key—we do it without any chaos. No clashes between rival factions like those recent brawls you see in urban arenas, no flares in the stands, no obnoxious behavior. None of that. Because no single group can survive this on their own. We have to unite and defeat the forces trying to destroy us, which, right now, are much stronger than we are.
driftingviper6 said:Honestly, I don't usually read anything while I'm in the bathroom—I try to get in and out as fast as possible. So how does everyone manage to spend so much time reading? If it were up to me, I’d probably listen to some music on an MP3 player, or better yet, bring a laptop so I can blast tunes while scrolling through the forums. Since I always end up getting annoyed by someone's stupidity or a dumb comment anyway, maybe having a distraction would actually help people deal with the stress before they finish their business 😂
Look, you've got plenty of options... listening to music, reading, or even just "self-care" (as someone else mentioned)... there's a huge variety of ways to kill time. It really all comes down to how fast you are , on the trigger—or rather, on the junk 🤣
Anonymous said:I know of a recent case where someone was actually arrested for having a 0.6 blood alcohol level on game day, even though they were nowhere near the stadium. The whole thing ended up in court. So... yeah.
I couldn't agree more. These days, you can't get anything off the ground without serious capital. If we want to actually fund our activities and make things happen, we need to start pooling our resources. So, what's the game plan for raising the funds?We'll just have to wait and see. Honestly, I don't even think that's the biggest issue here. Anyone with half a brain would be willing to shell out a hundred bucks for this. $67...because one day, that could save him a few thousand bucks—or maybe even keep him out of jail.
We need to move fast because time is slipping away. My first move would be to build out a dedicated website to serve as the central hub for all our info—something like FansUnited.com or a similar community portal. We could get that up and running pretty quickly... $67 I get a domain and hosting package every year. If there isn't anyone else involved, I'll just design a basic landing page myself... and if I need to pay for any upgrades, consider it done.
My buddies were sweating it when they headed to San Francisco, and Murijak told them they’d be busted if they hit 1.0. Luckily, by some miracle, they stayed under. It’s happened before, but back then they didn't have the legal footing to justify it—and you know how those guys work; they get aggressive once they feel backed by the law. This new fan legislation means things are going to get incomparably stricter and much worse.
Anonymous said:I know of a recent case where someone was actually arrested for having a 0.6 blood alcohol level on game day, even though they were nowhere near the stadium. The whole thing ended up in court. So... yeah.
I couldn't agree more. These days, you can't get anything off the ground without serious capital. If we want to actually fund our activities and make things happen, we need to start pooling our resources. So, what's the game plan for raising the funds?We'll just have to wait and see. Honestly, I don't even think that's the biggest issue here. Anyone with half a brain would be willing to shell out a hundred bucks for this. $67...because one day, that could save him a few thousand bucks—or maybe even keep him out of jail.
We need to move fast because time is slipping away. My first move would be to build out a dedicated website to serve as the central hub for all our info—something like FansUnited.com or a similar community portal. We could get that up and running pretty quickly... $67 I get a domain and hosting package every year. If there isn't anyone else involved, I'll just design a basic landing page myself... and if I need to pay for any upgrades, consider it done.
We're actually in talks right now about buying freedomforfans.org or .com
We just need to find a designer who's a legitimate pro. We also need to nail down what kind of content we're running. There's going to be a meeting this weekend between several different groups to hammer out the details.
Anonymous said:Not really. Before, if they suspected you were drunk, they might detain you, but most people would just get released after the game. Now, you're looking at a fine or even a ban. They've got everything they need backed by the Sports Fan Act. 😉
Honestly, I don't know a single person who shows up to a game with a BAC under 0.5, especially for away games. That’s basically just two beers. In fact, I don't know anyone who'd be under 0.5 on any given day after 5 PM... 😁
Their initial proposal was a 1.1 limit. We could actually have a conversation about that. Our counter-proposal was to set it at 1.5, or 1.1 for high-risk matches... That’s a perfectly reasonable suggestion, along with everything else we've put forward. I mean, why should someone get wrecked just because they had a few drinks before a Real Madrid vs. Slaven Belupo match?
The problem is, this proposal—and several others—are clearly designed to crush us. Take the masking laws, for example. There’ll be some flare display at a small local game, and since they won't be able to prove exactly who lit the flare, they'll just pick five guys who happened to be wearing their scarves a bit high or had their hoodies up while standing in the middle of the crowd and haul them in.
Our suggestion was that masking should only be a punishable offense if it's done in conjunction with another crime. Basically, you have to prove someone masked up *to commit* an offense, rather than punishing people just for dressing a certain way that day. And let's be real, you know exactly how those bastards are going to play it.
I know of a recent case where someone was actually arrested for having a 0.6 blood alcohol level on game day, even though they were nowhere near the stadium. The whole thing ended up in court. So... yeah.
I couldn't agree more. These days, you can't get anything off the ground without serious capital. If we want to actually fund our activities and make things happen, we need to start pooling our resources. So, what's the game plan for raising the funds?We'll just have to wait and see. Honestly, I don't even think that's the biggest issue here. Anyone with half a brain would be willing to shell out a hundred bucks for this. $67...because one day, that could save him a few thousand bucks—or maybe even keep him out of jail.
We need to move fast because time is slipping away. My first move would be to build out a dedicated website to serve as the central hub for all our info—something like FansUnited.com or a similar community portal. We could get that up and running pretty quickly... $67 I get a domain and hosting package every year. If there isn't anyone else involved, I'll just design a basic landing page myself... and if I need to pay for any upgrades, consider it done.
