I went ahead and turned that link into a hyperlinked title for you, but I guess if you’d rather have it say something other than just the song name instead of the URL, just let me know. 🙂
Maybe you should toss something extra next to Daniel Kelly57? Like an initial or just some random word... since Daniel Kelly57 is actually an active user on here. 🙂
Jeremy Johnson18 said:While we're on the subject of signatures—sorry to jump in here—but could you shrink mine down to size 1 and make it bold? My settings are acting up and blocking everything. 🤦
Anyway, I gotta give a shoutout to our new recruits. 😁
Brenda Green62 said:Oh wow, look at our resident supermodel showing up to wave 😍
👋 northernpilot2
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ironcobra13 said:holy crap, you're actually alive. i honestly thought you kicked the bucket. i was gonna hit you up to hang out the other day, but then i saw they were adding new mods to the forum and figured for sure northernpilot2 had just retired to go hunting in the middle of nowhere.
I mean, you know how it is, everyone goes through those phases where you just want to pull the plug on everything and completely vanish. 😁 That’s kind of what my last few months have been like, I guess. 😁
But yeah, I'm back, just lurking and reading everything 😁
Look, those stricter rules I put in place—which, let's be real, were only because you guys basically forced my hand—they apply to absolutely everyone. Honey, Anita, and whoever else, I don't actually know any of you people, and I definitely don't follow anyone on the forum just to see if they're lurking elsewhere. I’m just flagging whatever I see right here on Off. Off isn't some lawless wasteland where anarchy reigns supreme; I told you that before, and I'm telling you again now.
The posts from that initial complaint violate our rules regarding commenting on moderation, plus they're being provocative and, honestly, they're insulting me as a mod, so naturally, sanctions were handed out according to the standing rules. Thanks for the report.
Hold on just a second here. So you're actually pointing out that forum post where she was tearing into you just because you called her "trash" first? And you're claiming that calling someone "trash" is just some totally harmless, common slang term? I don't know, man, that's... interesting. Are you seriously trying to troll me with this whole complaint thing?
Look, whether you were trolling or not, I guess I should say thanks for bringing it up.
I just wanted to mention, maybe, that there’s really no need to start an entire thread about the FBI when you're just talking about getting a single post deleted. I mean, you could just use the report button, or honestly, you could have just sent a DM to one of the moderators and they would've told you the exact same thing as what's being said here. If nobody from the mod team gets back to you within a reasonable amount of time, then yeah, I guess that's when you bring up the FBI.
Look, as SM, I’m totally backing the moderator Charles Fox10 on this one. That title was just completely out of line—not just for MK, but honestly, it didn't belong anywhere on this forum at all. Posts and threads don't just get deleted or moderated just because someone asks, you know?
Rachel Palmer56 said:Look, northernpilot2, if you seriously can't tell the difference between someone actually being abusive and someone just messing around and joking, then I honestly don't even know what to say to you.
I mean, I can definitely tell the difference, but honestly, it feels like you guys are being way more chill with how you moderate the Off-topic subforum compared to everything else on the rest of the forum.
Man, what is with this constant policing of threads? There are way more dedicated joke threads where we actually post this kind of stuff. I mean, if you’re seriously under the impression that the rules are different—like, that we aren't allowed to do this and absolutely have to stick to one specific thread—then I guess that really needs to be clearly laid out in the official rulebook PDF or whatever. Look, if I feel like someone is straight-up ruining the vibe or breaking the unwritten rules of how we should all be hanging out here, then yeah, I’m gonna report it. Especially when things get personal and people start getting disrespectful toward me. I mean, if I flag a post for being toxic or offensive, I just expect that person to at least get a warning or something, you know? It's not like I'm trying to go on some crusade to get everyone banned or anything—I'm not about that life—but there have to be some basic standards for how we act toward one another if this place is going to stay decent. I don't know what else to tell you, really.
Look, at the end of the day, insults are insults, plain and simple. I was just pointing out those specific threads—you know, the ones that hit over 10k posts where everyone’s just messing around and joking, maybe even masking some stuff under the guise of being polite, but honestly, it all kind of blurs together. It could be seen as just banter, or it could be seen as straight-up disrespect, I guess... it really just depends on how you're feeling in the moment, maybe.
Look, you've got threads over there that have blown past ten thousand posts ages ago, and they aren't even locked—so maybe that’s kind of why the whole place feels so cluttered with too many topics. I mean, you don't really know what's going on in the Off-topic subforum since you aren't keeping up with it, and honestly, I suspect you might not even have the energy to care, no offense intended, but even if the Off-topic subforum is pretty chill and fun, it still needs a moderator to actually run things. Look, I could just be straight with you, or—and this is kind of a joke, really—I could try asking for an exemption from this biased-as-hell moderator mode. ☕I mean, honestly, you just gotta get it done. There's really no other way around it, I guess. You can sit there and overthink it all day if you want, but at some point, you just have to roll up your sleeves and actually do the work. It's one of those things where you just have to commit, you know?☕
I mean, let’s be real about the Off-topic subforum—it’s basically a black hole. I honestly don't think there's a single moderator on this entire site, or maybe even any forum out there in the US, who actually bothers to read through it like they do the rest of the boards. It's just a massive dumping ground for random chat threads that basically get tossed straight into the trash once they hit 10k posts, or maybe a little more if people are feeling generous. Do you seriously think someone is going to sit there scrolling through page after page, constantly policing everything and keeping order? Of course they aren't. I mean, it's just not physically possible, I guess. I mean, since the moderation over in the Off-topic subforum is pretty laid back, I guess most people would probably get kicked out if they tried that kind of stuff anywhere else, but here? It’s a different story. You could basically break half the rules and still be fine, which honestly, maybe that's just how it goes.
Richard Sanders7 said:northernpilot2, look, just go back through the Anti Social Social Club chat for me—if you can actually find one single page where Tuxi wrote something without being a total jerk to someone, then I guess I’ll owe you. $33I mean, honestly, nobody even reported it because people just aren't that type of person, I guess. They aren't exactly the kind of crowd that goes around snitching on everyone, you know? ☕ I honestly don't get this guy either. I just asked him if he knew anyone even more clueless than Tux, and it's not like I was trying to insult anyone or anything, I’m just asking a question, you know? ☕
Look, whether they're just being total trolls or not, the whole insulting thing isn't allowed here. If she actually was being abusive—and since this is just an open chat thread, I guess I missed it in the moment—you should probably just report it. Insulting people is against the rules. And now you're the one doing the insulting. I already told you not to go down that road.
Look, obviously insults aren't allowed here. You guys have been doing it constantly ever since you started tearing through the Off-topic subforum. Do you honestly think it’s that easy for me to tell the difference between someone just messing around and someone being actually serious? I mean, come on, look at the reality of it. For three days, everyone is just joking around, chatting, and posting the same kind of stuff in a playful way, but then suddenly, on the fourth day, the jokes stop and people are just straight-up insulting each other and whatever else.
Richard Sanders7 has been specifically warned, because this isn't even his first time.
Nicole Johnson20 said:You’ve made your point, I guess, but I honestly feel like you didn't even bother to actually read up on what this is all about or where the actual issue lies (and I'm pretty sure it isn't just because of those deleted posts you went checking on), so I figured I'd try to clear things up here.
Look, I definitely read up on it, otherwise I wouldn't have even bothered weighing in on the whole thing. And the way the site rules work isn't quite how you're painting it, since I only stumbled onto this thread later on the forum and was just stepping in as the lead supermod. It’s nowhere near the case that some moderator from Alternative was getting my 'orders' on who to move where, like you're implying.
Even if the complaint was more about general moderation by the moderator in question, I'll say it one more time: I took a look at her moves and I really don't think she messed up. She cleared out the posts that were just cluttering the thread and, by your own description, were totally irrelevant—posts that, according to her own moderator guidelines, shouldn't have been there anyway—so I judged it to be a fair call, and that’s basically that.
Look, even though this thread is officially locked, I feel like I need to step in as a supermod just so we don't end up with ten different threads popping up about this exact same thing.
I’ve spent some time looking over everything, and honestly, it seems like most of this was just people obsessing over raw food topics and venting about how the moderator handled things. To be blunt, I went through all the posts she deleted, and I don't see any reason to restore a single one of them. Most of those posts were basically just people bickering at each other rather than having a 'normal' conversation like we actually expect here. Plus, if I had left them up, they probably would have just fueled even more fighting than what we already saw on the thread itself. I think I mentioned this before, but moderators aren't supposed to—and frankly, shouldn't—just edit your posts to strip out the parts that break the rules. It doesn't matter how much effort you put into your writing; if even a tiny fraction of your post violates the rules, the whole thing gets tossed.
As for everyone else chiming in on this, I’m totally with Michelle Evans on this one. Seriously guys, just chill out and stop jumping into every single thread where PDF improvement proposal is mentioned. Just because you hang out in the PDF improvement proposal section doesn't mean you have the right to pile onto every complaint without anyone actually asking for your take.
I’ve gone through all those deleted posts and honestly, I’m not bringing them back, mostly because they were nuked according to the actual rules of this forum. Look, we haven't exactly been subtle about telling you guys that personal attacks aren't allowed during discussions, so it's pretty logical that if you start insulting people, your posts are gonna get wiped or you'll catch a ban—or maybe both. It’s actually kind of a bummer that you can't just hold back on the insults when you're typing out these massive essays, but the mods aren't going to go in and surgically remove the controversial bits from your posts—that's just not how our moderation policy works here—just so your long-winded rants that you spent forever on can stay up on the site. If a post includes even a single word aimed at insulting another user, regardless of how much text you put around it, it’s getting deleted every single time.
Where am I supposed to go if I have to run out and notify every single person on this board every time some user decides to retire their handle? I just don't have the time, I guess. I actually took a look at your complaint yesterday, you know, really dug into whether that user was actually breaking any rules—like, I checked to see if she was just quoting herself or having those weird one-sided arguments with herself—and honestly, she wasn't doing anything against the rules. So, yeah, nothing to see here.
Look, calling the "Off" section "quoting off" or whatever is such a massive stretch, and obviously, I’m not monitoring every little thing there on a regular basis, mostly because that’s just not physically possible. The "Off" area is basically just a bunch of chat threads, and it’s impossible to keep tabs on everything happening in real-time; I pretty much just react when someone files a report or when there's an actual rule violation, like people being straight-up abusive or insulting each other. And honestly, you and everyone else who hangs out in the "Off" section know better than anyone how flexible I tend to be with how I interpret things there. If I stuck to the letter of the law like some absolute fanatic, I’d probably have shut down half your threads by now since everyone is constantly bending the rules under the excuse of "hey, we're just chilling in the lounge."
So, yeah, I don't really have much else to say about it. At the end of the day, it's your call whether you want to stay a part of this community or not.🙂
Rachel Palmer56, look, if someone actually has a clone topic going on—or even if you just suspect they do—why on earth would you think I wouldn't be in the loop about it? I’m pretty much fully caught up on everything regarding that female user you linked. One account is officially retired, while the other one was reactivated, and she gave me a heads-up right when it happened. I mean, sure, maybe there are some posts from two different handles on the same thread, but that didn't happen after I was notified that the first account was being put on ice. I don't see any evidence of her quoting herself or having some weird solo debate with herself or anything.
As far as any inappropriate behavior goes, feel free to just shoot those posts over to me or report them directly.