Posts by goldenhound32

rustymarlin322 said:Exactly. Look, violence isn't the answer, obviously, but what they did to them? That scene on the beach was unhinged. And Thea—man, she’s unbelievable. Instead of being proud to be with a guy who actually has the guts to stand up for someone, she acts like... well, you saw her. Bullies were dead, two girls were gone—one by accident, the other shot by Joseph—and she was just sitting there on that beach looking totally satisfied while they were forcing Casper to grovel to that guy. It really showed her true colors. She was smiling. What a piece of work. At the end of the day, if you haven't dealt with bullying firsthand, you can't possibly get it. I have. Bullies are a cancer on society, and it feels like nobody will stand up to them, or they just don't want to deal with the headache. Even at the start of the movie, when they jump Joseph, it's filmed so clinically, and nothing happens. If he had fought back, he would’ve been the villain. That’s how it always goes—the victim ends up taking the blame. That entire class was toxic. Out of maybe thirty kids, all thirty of them were just watching with these smug looks like this is totally normal behavior. Especially the girls. Where is their moral compass? They're "brave" enough to take on one person 30-to-1. Pathetic. Personally, I thought it was a great movie. It nails the reality of bullying: the bullies, the victims, and the audience that just sits there and watches without doing a damn thing.

I don't even know where to start with this one. Honestly, I’m just sitting here staring at my screen, trying to process how we even got to this point. It’s exhausting. Everything feels like a mess lately, and I’m just over it. Just one thing after another, and frankly, I’m tired of pretending it’s fine. It isn't. kaže:
Exactly. And don't even get me started on that scene where the airhead attacks Casper just because he stood up for him—as if her being loved more than her is such a huge deal. 🤮 What an entitled, heartless bitch. Please.
I’m not gonna lie, there were a few times during that movie where I actually felt nauseous. Seriously. She was being extra. At the end of the day, I didn't even feel bad for them (except maybe for that one girl who just happened to be standing right in front of all that chaos). They're just a bunch of losers. And honestly, coming from me, that’s a compliment. I've seen my fair share of nonsense—most of us have—but nothing even comes close to this. Nothing even touches how out of control they were. Everyone. It’s like this whole crowd of snobs just showed up, and nobody even blinked. Not one person had the guts to speak up or even show a hint of disapproval. Just total silence while they acted like that. 🙄 Absolute nightmare.

I’m with you on that. But honestly, it feels like nobody even cares...😢

Nothing surprising here.

Here is a fresh example:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mcdonalds-b...ry?id=13450499

Some individual who transitioned from a male donkey to a female donkey wanders into the women's restroom, only to be charged by two cows. Meanwhile, the staff at McDonald's just stands there laughing, while one employee films the whole ridiculous scene on their phone.

Disgusting, yet somehow entirely typical.

John Castillo2 said:SPOILER ALERT!!!

I honestly watched this thing just because I was bored out of my mind, and... man, it was nothing special.
Once you’ve seen enough movies—and trust me, I have—you realize halfway through, if not sooner, that "Charlie" is actually her father. You know, the whole split personality trope. It’s such a tired cliché that’s been done to death in countless Hollywood thrillers.
I mean, who else could even be Charlie? There isn't another realistic candidate in the bunch. The neighbor is a total non-starter, and let's be real—that little girl is way too small to overpower an adult woman and drag her up the stairs to the tub.
Look, the movie isn't a complete disaster, but it’s totally unoriginal. We've seen this exact plot dozens of times before.

And that final scene... Talk about a cliché. It felt like they tried to tack on some random mystical twist at the end for no reason, just hoping the audience would walk out feeling confused enough to actually have something to talk about.
Too bad the rest of the movie didn't give us much worth talking about in the first place.

So, basically the same thing they did in Inception?

Christian Taylor3 said:Tony Scott as the director for the second one? That would be a first.

Go ahead, enjoy that little "fiction" of yours. Ariel Vromen To be honest, he doesn't exactly inspire any confidence. If you look at his track record, he’s got two pretty grim movies and a documentary under his belt, which isn't exactly a glowing endorsement. 🤷 I’ve got this nagging feeling that the whole Richard Kuklinski story might be a bit too heavy-duty for him to tackle, honestly. It feels like the kind of intense, visceral material that really demands a director with a style like Cronenberg's.

On top of all that...

I've been looking through the writing credits, and honestly, it’s quite a lot to digest when you start digging into the specifics of who actually put pen to paper on these projects. It's one of those things where you think you know the lineup, but then you see the actual names attached to the screenplays and realize how much heavy lifting goes on behind the scenes. Naturally, I'll probably spend way too much time overanalyzing the creative shifts between different drafts, but that's just how I am.
Bruno's book
Morgan Land screenplay Ariel Vromen screenplay ajmo red
Ariel Vromen screenplay

Let's get one thing straight: Bruno's book, The Iceman : The True Story of a Cold-Blooded Killer, is basically pure hell. Phillip Carlo It’s basically the same story as the one they turned into that HBO documentary, The Iceman : Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer.

Screenwriters?

We already established that Ariela is a total hack, so I guess we're just waiting to see who else is on that list. Morgan LandWhich brings us to the real question: Honestly, I’ve been sitting here wondering the exact same thing—who even is this Morgan Land guy, and why does everyone act like he’s some kind of big deal? It feels like one of those situations where a name keeps popping up in industry circles, and you're just left scratching your head while everyone else nods along like they actually know something.You really have to be brutally honest with yourself; that way, at least you can't end up disappointed. 😁

It’s entirely possible I misread the situation. There’s some crime flick floating around where Rourke is supposedly starring, so I just assumed that was the one.

Quote:Ariel Vromen (who directed the first one), he doesn't exactly inspire much confidence.

Enivej, regarding that "fictional" director of yours,

I agree. Looking at the IMDb ratings, there isn't much to be hopeful about. Though, I suppose we should keep in mind we haven't actually seen his work; we're just judging based on numbers.

It is plausible that The Iceman could end up being his breakthrough film.🙂

And if it turns out to be total garbage, nobody’s going to cry about it... obviously. There are a million other decent films out there anyway.

Personally, I’m leaning more toward the version starring Michael Shannon. From what I gather by looking at the plots, it seems like they'll focus on one central protagonist rather than splitting the screen between two. It just feels more cohesive.

That doesn't mean the other option won't be any good, mind you. Tony Scott is certainly capable of delivering a solid film, provided he doesn't get too carried away with excessive stylization.

James Turner3 said:I really loved this scene. Do you think I should watch the documentary before diving into the movie?

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1491044/

Benicio Del Toro, James Franco, and Elias Koteas... man, I guess I definitely have to see this one.

Heh... honestly, the most sensible thing would be to wait until I've seen the feature film before giving you a definitive answer. But since that hasn't been released yet, I'd say go ahead and watch the documentary regardless.👍

A century ago, a documentary was filmed about Richard Kuklinski, that hitman who worked for the mob. It’s actually a fantastic piece of filmmaking—you can still find it online today. Even my colleague familia brought it up once:

Now, they’re putting together a feature film based on it.

To be honest, when I first saw who was directing, I wasn't particularly interested... but then I realized Claude Shannon is playing Kuklinski (the same unhinged Agent Hank Van Alden from Boardwalk Empire), and I stumbled upon this clip on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArrcnjJgy88

Those who have seen the original documentary will immediately recognize how perfectly Shannon has captured Kuklinski's essence. As for everyone else... well, just watch it anyway. Shannon is an absolute master.🙂

@Christian Taylor3/">@@Christian Taylor3
If he’s telling the truth, then it isn't even his movie; he was merely an actor in it.

And honestly, why shouldn't he offer praise if he genuinely believes the work is good? 🤷

So, is it actually any good or not?

I haven't.

Have you actually sat down and watched it?

Does it actually make sense to jump straight into Elite Squad 2 if you haven't seen the first one?

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I'm not asking for my own sake—I’ve already watched the first film, and frankly, it was excellent.

@Jesse Thomas7
You’re the one at fault here. You didn't bother to do your homework. It's the same scenario as someone taking out a massive loan and signing the paperwork without reading the fine print, only to lose their house because they weren't prepared for the interest rates. And then, predictably, they blame the bank. Give me a break.

If I viewed things through such a narrow lens, I’d probably just end up taking my own life with a dull butter knife.

No.

Lisa Davis46 said:Me too.
2 against 1 😁 we win!

Has nobody else on this entire sub watched the movie? 🙂

Heh... please understand that some people simply don't feel like repeating themselves. They quoted it because they were watching it at the time.

Roger Allen3 said:The real issue with bullying isn't just that violence breeds more violence; it’s the dynamic where one group relentlessly harasses while the other constantly endures. If a movie claims to be about bullying, then reaching this conclusion—while technically accurate—is actually missing the point. If you just sent those kids back to school (without weapons), you’d be left spiraling with questions: how much longer will this last? What can actually be done to stop it? Will the police finally get involved? How far will this go? It becomes an endless loop of anxiety. Instead, this film just caters to a sadistic urge for revenge, drifting away from the actual tragedy of suicides and high school shootings. Real kids, no matter how much they are bullied, don't act like this.

Anyway, the topic is lively now. Maybe we can convince a few more people to watch the film 🙂

And here I was, under the impression that trauma was exactly what turned "normal" kids into something else entirely.🤷

Roger Allen3 said:And what makes you say that?

If a movie tackles a heavy subject with real weight, I expect a conclusion that carries that same gravity. This ending just felt completely disconnected from everything we’d watched up to that point. Honestly, that sudden jump to the credits felt incredibly rushed—almost like one of those abrupt, poorly edited YouTube clips.

Maybe the goal was to trick the audience into rooting for the massacre, only to force us to question our supposed "pacifist" views once the lights come up. I can see that logic, but it still doesn't change the fact that it felt totally inconsistent with the rest of the film.

In my view, it wasn't abrupt at all; it was actually quite predictable. Those kids were pushed to their limit, and they finally fought back. Case closed.🙂

Roger Allen3 said:So, here we go. To start things off, he's firing away in a situation where he couldn't even hit a fourteen-year-old girl if he were aiming at a stationary target. A pretty decent start, I suppose. As for wanting revenge—if you're truly ready to take extreme measures—there are plenty of more effective ways to handle it than storming into a cafeteria full of a hundred kids and opening fire.

I've read quite a bit about those high school shootings that the end of this movie references. Usually, it involves kids struggling with varying degrees of mental illness; everything from severe superiority complexes and delusions of being "cleansers" removing the unworthy, to schizophrenia, racial hatred, or auditory hallucinations. Sometimes it’s masked as simple bullying, but there is always something deeper lurking underneath.

This film didn't bother with all that; it focused exclusively on bullying. Because of that, the ending felt like just another cliché Hollywood trope that ruins otherwise great international cinema (like *The Experiment* or *The Wave*...). You could basically summarize this movie as bully picks on geek, geek fights back in the style of some silly *Straw Dogs* rip-off that this film really shouldn't have been. Since bullying is an issue in almost every school and lacks a simple fix, there was room for a much more impactful conclusion. But let's be honest, it's hard to top Dustin Hoffman's ultimate Revenge of the Nerds vibe in 😁

Where exactly did this notion come from that it wasn't supposed to be that way?

I personally believe it is.

What’s the harm in having a standard teen revenge flick out there in the world? 🤷

That one about the Sisters is undoubtedly his most grueling work. It's enough to leave you absolutely gutted, 🙂

Right... I neglected to mention that the title of the movie is absolutely ridiculous, or at least, that's how it was translated.

Decent enough movie. Honestly, though, the soundtrack was my biggest gripe... specifically during that opening search sequence and again near the end when he’s driving toward him... it tries way too hard to manufacture tension, but it just ends up being a distraction from the actual scene unfolding right in front of me.

The acting is top-tier, though the villain is easily the standout performer here. 🙏

Incredibly violent and brutal.

7/10.