I’m not a moderator for the "politics" sub, but since other folks interested in this messy topic are chiming in—and I've been wading through this stuff for about 30 years now—I'll toss in my two cents.
That Greta girl was born into a world of plenty, a world built by the hard work and grit of previous generations. Who does this brat think she is, lecturing anyone about anything?
This is straight-up hate speech, and not just aimed at Greta, but at every young person stepping up in these movements or any social cause that dares to criticize the world they're inheriting. Because apparently, "brats" aren't allowed to speak up when it comes to a world that’s supposedly perfect and flawless because "previous generations" built it.
So, if you're 16, you don't get a vote, let alone a voice? How long does that last? Can I, at 62, look someone who's 40 in the eye and say, "Listen, kid, you've got no right to critique what my generation built"? 🤔 Or should we follow Joža Manolić's logic and claim everyone under 90 is just a brat? 🤣
Furthermore, the OP claims Greta is being manipulated by adults. He says he raised his own smart daughter well enough that she doesn't feel the need to criticize—so I guess that’s the ultimate proof against manipulation? That's a stretch. 🤔
Yeah, sure, back when I was 16, I used to push back against the status quo too (there was this whole drama involving a student paper at my high school), and back then, that was labeled as me being "manipulated" by bourgeois revisionists or nationalists (it was 1973, after all) or some such nonsense—my principal even called my old man in for a chat. So, I'm a little allergic to this reverse logic, even half a century later. It’s nothing new; kids rebelling against the older crowd is a staple. Honestly, it's necessary! 👍
For over 30 years, scientists haven't been able to agree on a single major point regarding this topic. That claim that 97% of scientists 'agree' is nothing but a blatant lie pushed by some radical activist, John Cook, who happens to be a comic book artist by trade. The reality is the exact opposite: less than 0.2% of scientific papers cite CO2 as the primary driver of climate.
This is
pure, blatant manipulation—just a flat-out lie. It's just copy-pasting falsehoods from websites that peddle hysteria, claiming global warming isn't real and everything is just fine; mostly in the US, tied to the Republican Party. You can find out in two minutes via Google that that 97% consensus has absolutely nothing to do with some comic book guy. Here are the first three hits you get when you search "climate change consensus 97%."
scientific consensus shows that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree *: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. Plus, most major scientific orgs globally have put out statements backing this up.
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ In 2004, Naomi Oreskes published a short paper in the journal Science concluding there was an overwhelming consensus in the scientific literature that global warming was caused by humans.
Once that paper dropped, the backlash was way nastier than anyone expected. It actually pushed Naomi Oreskes and her partner Erik Conway to double down on their research, which eventually turned into the book *Merchants of Doubt*. It basically exposes how a tiny circle of industry-connected scientists managed to manufacture doubt about the scientific consensus, successfully stalling any real action on everything from DDT and Big Tobacco to acid rain and—you guessed it—global warming.
Flashback to two years ago: a group of us volunteers over at Skeptical Science decided to take Naomi Oreskes’ work and give it a serious upgrade. Working under John Cook, we dove into the abstracts of roughly 12,000 scientific papers pulled from a massive database, hunting specifically for anything tagged "global warming" or "global climate change." We were looking at everything published over a twenty-one-year stretch, spanning from 1991 to 2011.
To double-check our numbers, we actually reached out via email to over 8,500 scientists who authored these papers—at least the ones whose contact info we could hunt down. We basically asked them straight up to rate their own work: do they back the idea of man-made global warming, or are they calling BS?
It’s basically the same story either way: scientific consensus shows that like 97% of the experts putting out research say climate change is definitely caused by us. This stuff hit the papers back in May 2013 in the journal Environmental Research Letters.
The math doesn't lie, even if people try to twist it. Check this out.One of the other guys behind that study actually dropped some extra details about what's coming next in the research:
Back in July, the Competitive Enterprise Institute—which, let's be real, is basically just a mouthpiece for ExxonMobil and the Koch brothers—tried to play hero. They filed a formal complaint against NASA, demanding they "fix" a statement on their site regarding the scientific consensus. You know, that part where it says 97 percent or more of active climate scientists agree that humans are driving the warming trends we've seen over the last century? Yeah, they hated that. Instead of dealing with actual facts, CEI dug up some debunked blog posts from five years ago to try and claim the math was wrong. It's honestly pathetic.
Funny enough, this July marks the millionth download of a 2013 paper I co-authored with the crew over at Skeptical Science regarding the scientific consensus on human-driven climate change. When our team combed through the abstracts, we hit a 97.1 percent consensus that humans are the main culprits behind recent global warming—and when the authors rated themselves, it climbed to 97.2 percent.
Back in 2016, our crew joined forces with the authors of five other major studies to drop a paper on what I call the "consensus on consensus." Basically, we proved that somewhere between 90 and 100 percent of climate scientists—and all their peer-reviewed data—agree that humans are the ones driving this whole global warming mess.
That whole "consensus gap" thing—where people think experts are divided when they actually aren't—is basically just the result of a massive, non-stop misinformation blitz. The idea that "there is no consensus" is one of those classic climate myths, and if you follow the money, it all traces back to a memo written around 2001 by that same Republican Party strategist, Frank Luntz.
He’s out here talking about kids and this whole "climate change generation gap" thing.
People are finally waking up to the scientific consensus and actually backing climate action, mostly because the kids are driving it. Sure, a million downloads doesn't mean much when you're fighting against the billions of dollars big oil spends on shady misinformation campaigns, but it's a start. For Millennials and Gen-Z, record-breaking heatwaves and insane weather aren't "news"—it's just life. We're seeing this massive generational gap, and as these kids grow up, Americans are finally starting to face the facts and realize we need actual, heavy-duty climate policy.
https://thebulletin.org/2019/08/mill...-faces-denial/Sure, we could take this logic even further: everyone in charge is lying—NASA, the IPCC, the whole lot of them. They’re all rigging the numbers, or maybe they’re just being played themselves. Basically, every climatologist on the planet has been part of one massive conspiracy for the last 30 years... IMO, that belongs on the "Conspiracy Theories" sub than in "Politics."
No matter what side you're on regarding this issue, weaponizing a girl who's autistic, has Asperger, and is so overwhelmed by anxiety she can barely make it through a school day—it's just wrong. It's not like she's "skipping class to protest."
And what makes you some kind of expert qualified to hand out diagnoses? 🤔 You think she's "unable" to go to school, yet somehow she manages to give speeches to the U.S. Congress, at G7 summits, and at the UN? Just because she "has Asperger"? What, are you reading her facial expressions? Are you a psychiatrist or some kind of psychic?
People with Asperger have been everywhere according to various theories—obviously, nobody knows for sure since real doctors won't diagnose someone without meeting them face-to-face—but look at Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, or Nikola Tesla (who was a total brat when he was young, insisting he could do things his professors said were impossible). Then there's Robert James Fischer, the chess legend, who really made an impression on me back in my early teens. He was a nightmare by age 13, totally disrespectful to his elders, absolutely crushing people at chess, and by 15, he was one of the nine best players on the planet. But yeah, he actually did deal with serious mental health struggles later in life, which led to him suddenly walking away from the game—kind of like Tesla, though Einstein was a different story altogether. Still, as long as people play chess, they'll remember him with awe.
https://www.quora.com/Did-Nikola-Tes...erger-Syndrome https://psmag.com/social-justice/a...-fischer-25959 Being that arrogant—acting like because the OP is "grown up," unlike her, they have the right to label a sixteen-year-old—yeah, that sounds like hate speech to me.