Sorry to bump this thread, but I was wondering—is the OP also the author of the book coming out with the American edition of >? I'm noticing a lot of the same stuff from this discussion popping up in the book itself... Or was it just copied over? 😕🤷
Larry Walker24 said:No matter how much anyone claims otherwise, that movie was a total flop because people started saying The Lord of the Rings was just too complicated to adapt. If it actually worked, why wasn't an animated sequel ever even drawn up?
Well, they actually did make The Return of the King cartoon just a year later...
swiftcrane96 said:What a total load of garbage this movie was. Honestly, $9.75🙂 Neeson, you might be a big name, but you clearly have zero acting talent.
Man, I think this guy is just right for Tokyo... honestly. Even though I saw him a few years back, I doubt he's hit 40 yet...
And yeah, age definitely matters. Visually, they don't even hold a candle to those old bands I caught live where everyone was roughly the same age. Coverdale is ancient—he just doesn't fit the vibe of his own band anymore... especially with how he acts. That whole "show-off" routine at the mic stand in front of two 15-year-old girls? Just gross... I've regretted going to see them so many times: the look, the playback, the performance... it just ruined my image of them...
Give me a break. I don't care what a band looks like or how old they are as long as they can actually play. And these two? They definitely know how to shred. Bringing up Tokyo or whatever is just pointless. Though, I gotta admit, it's a bit weird seeing an old band with one or two guys who look visibly aged while the younger session players look like total rookies. But hey, what can you do? I don't have the time or the money to trek out to shows anyway—most of them are a 3+ hour drive from where I live, so it’s not like it bothers me that much.
Are you seriously comparing Aldrich and Beach to Tokio Hotel? O.o And what does how old everyone is have to do with anything... It's about the music, not how the band looks, ffs! Besides, both those guitarists passed forty a long time ago.
BTW, Austin Fisher, you remind me of Jack Morgan2 when you talk about Rory. 😁
Look, it's true their vibe back then felt a bit like Europe's—though they didn't really embrace that sound until a year later after dropping two albums that were way heavier than the stuff they eventually became famous for. But I wasn't talking about Europe, I was talking about Bon Jovi. 😁 And honestly, the hair? How can that possibly stop you from liking a band!? Seriously! :? For Whitesnake, the music always came first. Sure, maybe some of those hits feel a bit formulaic, but hey, that was just how it worked for a ton of hard rock bands in the 80s and early 90s. A lot of them got stuck being labeled as "one-hit wonders" because of one big ballad, even when they had much better, deeper tracks that people ignored. By the way, if you check the liner notes in that 20th Anniversary edition of the self-titled album, it says even Coverdale wasn't exactly thrilled when he saw himself with that new blonde mane. 😁
Not really. Honestly, Whitesnake / 1987 is hands down the heaviest thing they ever put out (up to that point). It’s just that most people only know Is This Love / Here I Go Again and then judge the whole era based on the hair—dismissing it as some kind of Bon Jovi worship or whatever. Most tracks on that record aren't even close to being "soft" compared to what Van Halen or AC/DC were doing back then. Personally, I think that album is a straight-up masterpiece. One of the best hard rock records ever made, period. And a huge part of that is thanks to the legendary John Sykes. He's one of those musicians with a tone so distinct you recognize him instantly. Sadly, Coverdale kicked him out of the band right after the album was done.
Anyway, I know a few bands with a super similar vibe. If anyone's interested, we can chat about them here too.
Man, I really wish Bon Jovi sounded like they did back in '88. Actually, scratch that—1984 would be even better. Those first two albums were some seriously killer hard rock/AOR. It’s a shame because, just like Van Halen and Def Leppard—who were both massive, commercial hard rock giants back then—they eventually leaned way too hard into the mainstream. Not that I have a problem with it personally (same goes for VH and DL), but still... Sadly, Bon Jovi eventually morphed into this sort of bland, boring, generic modern pop act. And the kicker? They’re pretty much the only hard rock/AOR/glam metal band from the 80s that's still huge today. I mean, sure, Guns, Van Halen, and a few others are still around, but BJ are the only ones whose recent stuff you actually hear playing on the radio constantly.
I always figured that before TFC, they were mostly just huge in Sweden, and everywhere else they had this niche cult following among metalheads and hard rock fans... Also, I had no clue there was a video for Seven Doors hotel, or that they’d even filmed a clip for anything on Wings of Tomorrow. And Europe isn't even that "glam" or feminine... I mean, sure, Poison and Mötley Crüe, but bands like Europe, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, Winger, Warrant, White Lion, and Great White never really went for that flamboyant, gender-bending look. Honestly, if someone thinks Bieber is better than Europe, then they're just lost...🙂
Drew Miller38 said:Personally, I think they're solid. No complaints here. 🙂 But for me, it doesn't really scream heavy or thrash metal. It feels way more like hard rock or even some glam metal vibes to me.
Who’s even talking about thrash? Lol... On those first two albums, they definitely had more of a heavy/power metal sound.
It feels like Europe took a bit of a detour once they started working with TFC. Don't get me wrong, that record and the two following it are still solid, but I really wish they’d just stuck to that raw direction they nailed in their first two albums...
Walter Cox6 said:the whole Toto IV record doesn't have a single bad track😁 Make Believe, Rosanna, and obviously Africa... honestly such an incredible band, even if they never quite hit the level of fame they actually deserve. A textbook case of an underrated group for me.
They aren't huge here, but I'm pretty sure they were massive in the States (or at least during their prime)... Hydra is hands down my favorite. It's easily the heaviest and most prog-leaning album I've checked out from them so far.