bluemason3 said:Hey everyone, sorry I can't include any links in this post—I'm just typing this up on my phone right now...
I can't exactly link back to the thread since your posts were wiped out. Just being a little bit captain obvious here...
bluemason3 said:When I was discussing homosexuality, I was just drawing parallels to other different types of "disorders." In my mind, the comparison was actually a perfectly valid way to build an argument. I wasn't calling for violence, making personal attacks, using hate speech, or anything like that... honestly. I’ve seen much more intense threads on psychology forums where people go way overboard, yet those posts don't seem to get wiped out. So, if I didn't initiate the comparison myself, why does the thread only get deleted once I bring it up? It feels like there's a specific logic behind it that I'm just not seeing...
You started this one off by quoting: "
It’s just as useless from an evolutionary standpoint since it doesn't actually lead to any offspring...When we’re talking about this subject, I think we really need to distinguish between the legal definition and the actual biological reality. If you look at it from a strictly physiological standpoint, a thirteen-year-old girl is biologically capable of having children. Because of that, the gap between what society considers the "norm" and the biological baseline isn't actually as wide as people make it out to be when comparing it to the shifts we see regarding homosexuality... 😁"
Aquafina put that really beautifully...
I was just sitting here thinking about that old track by Aqualung, and it really got me reflecting on how much musical tastes change over the years... It’s funny how certain melodies can just pull you right back into a specific headspace, isn't it? I find myself revisiting those classic sounds quite often lately, just to unwind after a long day at the office... There's something about that particular atmosphere that feels so grounding... kaže:
I’ve been sitting here thinking about this lately, and I really wanted to share my take on it... It feels like one of those things that people tend to overlook, but when you actually stop to weigh the facts, a much clearer picture starts to emerge. I'm not trying to be provocative, but there is a certain logic to this argument that seems to hold up under scrutiny if you look at it from the right angle... I’ve been thinking quite a bit about the discussions we have here regarding human identity and how society labels certain behaviors, and I wanted to share my perspective on the idea that homosexuality is a pathology... It's such a heavy, complex topic that touches on everything from medical history to our modern understanding of psychology. In my view, looking at it through a purely clinical lens as a "disorder" feels like an outdated way of seeing people, especially given how much our scientific consensus has evolved over the decades in the States... It seems more helpful to view these things as natural variations in the human experience rather than something that needs fixing or treating... I'm curious to see what others think about where that line should be drawn... I'm not quite sure I follow what you mean there... could you elaborate a bit more on what you're looking for? I'd love to help out once I have a better idea of the direction we're heading in... I’ve been thinking a lot about how we categorize different types of human attraction and preferences lately, but I really have to disagree with the idea that pedophilia should be classified as a sexual preference... It’s such a heavy and complex topic, and when you look at the fundamental nature of consent and the psychological impact on development, it just doesn't align with how we define healthy orientations in our society... It feels like a distinction that is absolutely vital to maintain for the safety and well-being of everyone involved... I’m just paraphrasing here, of course. You can't really call it a valid debate if you're starting from a flawed premise, and honestly, the reasons behind that are more than obvious...
I just wanted to jump in here quickly because, honestly, it feels like you haven't really caught up on the thread—maybe you only skimmed the very last page or something. Since you aren't one of the moderators over there, you wouldn't have been able to see all the posts that were scrubbed from the record anyway. That whole discussion was absolutely crawling with insults and pure vitriol from all sorts of homophobes and people who clearly lack any depth of thought. You actually kicked things off with that specific sentence I quoted earlier, and I’m sorry, but I just can't get past it... to me, that sounds like nothing more than thinly veiled hate speech...
bluemason3 said:In general, when this topic comes up in professional circles, the consensus among experts is pretty much unanimous—even if they’ve gone ahead and scrubbed it from the official list of diagnoses. There really isn't any logical justification for removing it, other than outright censorship to silence anyone whose perspective doesn't sit well with those in power... I wasn't actually calling homosexuality a disease; I was just trying to make the point that these kinds of definitions and viewpoints are incredibly relative. They shift constantly throughout history. My intention was more about questioning how social norms and cultural taboos evolve over time rather than making an objective claim about biology... Honestly, I expected you to be more bothered by how this trivializes pedophilia—which is currently one of our strongest social taboos—than by whatever was sent to me in my private messages as a reason for this. I'd hate to think that’s actually what you believe...
Well, at least you didn't call it a disease, just a disorder. And thanks for the advocacy, I guess...
Let me quote you again:
"Of course the distinction lies in the fact that a child can be harmed, which is why it's equated to rape, but from a psychological or whatever perspective you want to take, from the standpoint of natural disorders, rather than legal regulations meant to protect victims instead of demonizing a phenomenon, I don't see much of a difference, especially since homosexuality seems 'more natural' to me" even though those scales are pretty nonsensical and subjective. "You talk about how meaningless and subjective these scales are (whatever that means to you), yet you just have to jump at the chance to mention that homosexuality is "unnatural."
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>bluemason3 says: >> Yeah, that's exactly what I think, and there's nothing wrong with that. I can't have my posts deleted just because they don't align with the moderator's personal values, even if they follow every single forum rule perfectly. It's a total abuse of power. |
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Sure. Total abuse of power. If you had approached the topic differently, maybe the moderators would have handled things differently too...
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>bluemason3 says: >> As an additional question, does the moderator's rainbow avatar indicate a homosexual orientation? I don't recognize the handle, so I'm not sure. If it does, then this situation is very similar to when casualtiger2 lost their moderator status because they used their authority to delete dissenters during a thread about their religious group. |
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Since you're already complaining about your posts being removed, at least have the decency not to troll this specific thread.
There's no point in discussing that other deleted post; it had nothing to do with the topic. It was taken down for being off-topic (and you weren't even sanctioned for it)...
Regarding what you said about pedophilia:
"But that's done to protect children, not because pedophilia itself is so uniquely messed up compared to everything else; that intense feeling is just an irrational taboo caused by society's need for 'virgins' to castigate."I've said my piece, and I don't have any intention of getting into a further debate with you. Take care...