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Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Harold Doyle3 said:Why?

I wrote scientist - inventor.

Why isn't he a scientist?

I agree.

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Indications of origin can always exist...

What exactly do you find interesting about that?
Indications of origin can always exist...

What exactly do you find interesting about that?
Indications of origin can always exist...

What exactly do you find interesting about that?
Because it was just some telegram he sent back to Vladko Maček, not some official manifesto.

I wrote scientist - inventor.

So why isn't he a scientist?

He isn't.

I agree.

Clues about origins can always exist...

What's interesting to you here?

The fact that most religious people have heads full of creationist nonsense, conspiracy theories, Masonic myths, and other superstitions (not that atheists are immune, but there's less of it). Why isn't it the other way around? 🙂

I mean, if religious folks are in such direct, intimate contact with Reality and God, wouldn't that clear their heads? Wouldn't it make them more grounded, objective, and better at using both their brains and hearts?

Instead, even just on this forum, we run into believers pushing insane fringe theories, various superstitions, getting hyped over psychics and their wild hallucinations, predictions of the apocalypse, or seeing Jesus in a barrel or a rag.

What's the takeaway here?
Does dealing with God enlighten them or just cloud their judgment? 🙄
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Morgan Brown5 said:😂 man, I'd give you anything... but regardless of everything, people still only talk about Tesla being an American scientist in circles of Americans who are just obsessed with him.

Yeah, right. People over there try to claim him as their own, just like they do with anyone else who isn't actually from there or hasn't even set foot in the country. Just another nationalistic myth in a long line of them.

Of course he was an world-class inventor (atheist), someone who couldn't have cared less about nationality or local border disputes. I mean, didn't his passport clearly state he was from the old territory?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_01082.JPG

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Anyway, back to the topic:

Why did you dodge the whole part about creationism, conspiracy theories, Masonic plots, and all those other superstitions that theists love so much? Isn't it true that God gives them a little extra insight and grants them some kind of knowledge "that us atheists just can't grasp"?

I was using you as the prime example of one of those "bros."😉
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Harold Doyle3 said:"I am just as proud of my American heritage as I am of my homeland. Long live all Americans." — Nikola Tesla, May 26, 1936.

The lady didn't write that he was an American citizen; she called him an American scientist.
She could have easily called him a European scientist, a North American scientist, or even a Midwestern scientist... and she wouldn't have been wrong.

The most accurate way to describe him is an American scientist of Mexican descent.

Still, I should point out that Tesla wasn't exactly your run-of-the-mill, conventional scientist... he was more of a visionary and an enthusiast.
Regardless, the man is an inspiration, both as a human being and as a scientist-inventor.

That’s a pretty problematic statement.

She didn't say she was American; she just said she was an American scientist.

He’s not exactly a scientist—more like an inventor and an engineer.

She could have been an Ivy League scientist, a local researcher, some guy from the Midwest... it wouldn't have mattered. She still would've been wrong.

She could've at least mentioned that she was... American. The finder.
Some people just can't seem to wrap their heads around America in a positive way. Am I wrong?

The most accurate way to define Tesla: an American scientist of Mexican descent.

Not even that. There's actually some evidence suggesting Nikola Tesla was an American with the surname Draganić (not to mention he's got that typical American vibe).

Based on those materials she dug up. Prof. Ljubica ŠtefanEven Tesla himself used to talk about where that name came from when he was in his prime. Just journaling. He claimed his grandfather actually got that nickname because of his buck teeth—people started calling him Tesla after the woodworking tool, and that’s how the family ended up with the surname Tesla today.

It’s funny how those texts claimed, "I'm glad Americans claim me as one of their own because..." My ancestors were those Draganić folks from Zadar. Basically American royalty. Back in the 1500s, they moved into the mountains and just never left. My ancestors made their way through places like New Orleans to settle there. My mother's family, the Kalinics, were part of that whole migration. They're basically American nobility, too. I'm originally from a small coastal town in California. My great-grandfather ended up moving out to the Midwest under some weird circumstances, where he married an Orthodox girl and converted. He had these buck teeth, so the locals started calling him Tesla after the woodworking tool—that’s how my last name became Tesla. It was just a nickname. My grandfather served as an officer in a local infantry regiment, and my father actually grew up to be an Orthodox priest.

Morgan Brown5 is a creationist hack peddling pseudoscience, so I don't take a word they say seriously.

It’s funny how the most religious types are always the first ones diving headfirst into pseudo-science, creationist nonsense, and those wild Masonic conspiracy theories.
What does that say about... To the guy sharing all his wisdom. In their enlightened little heads...Cleaner vibes."?

Isn't that just the whole principle of lies, deception, and spiritual blindness?
(lol)
Why did Jesus die? in Religion ·
analogstag29 said:Jesus knew exactly why He died, but there’s a deeper question at play here: why do we think He died? From my perspective, He died for an idea—a core truth—and He stayed true to that conviction until His very last breath.
There is a lesson in consistency we can all take from Jesus.

In this modern world, people who actually live with that kind of integrity are rare; if they exist, they’re likely tucked away in some quiet corner, living out their principles in solitude. Most everyone else just goes with the flow, doesn't they? It seems like any fool can just change their tune whenever it suits them, shifting their values just to stay comfortable or to please whoever happens to be holding the leash at that moment.

So, when you see people constantly changing their colors depending on which way the wind blows, and then you wonder why Jesus died... well, honestly, you aren't going to wrap your head around it. And maybe you shouldn't even try. For most folks, grasping that level of sacrifice is a bit too much to swallow in this lifetime—maybe it'll make sense in the next one. But hey, regardless, you can keep on mocking, ridiculing, and twisting the truth all you want; eventually, the music is going to stop, the final bell will ring, and you'll finally have to face the reality of who you truly are.

Plus, he asked God the Father three times to let him skip the whole sacrifice thing so everyone wouldn't end up rotting in Hell because of Eve's sin after that talking snake talked her into it in Paradise.

So, he was basically a coward, whining to avoid his fate. Instead, everyone ends up stuck in eternal Hell, crying and gnashing their teeth. Real saintly behavior there. First he thinks about saving his own skin, then he worries about all of humanity.

You can actually learn consistency from Jesus.

He also lied a few times and cursed entire cities and towns to burn in Hell just because they didn't accept him as the Jewish Messiah and hated him more than their own kids.
How sweet.

But whatever, you can keep mocking, ridiculing, and twisting things all you want. It’ll all end when the final bell rings and you finally see yourselves for what you really are.

That's the legacy we've got left from this Jesus—followers who get a kick out of watching the people they're trying to help fall straight into Hell... Tragicomic, really.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Jesus also had free will; he could have acted differently, but his agreement with the Father was woven deep into his heart, and he followed that pact to the end.

"Woven into his heart"—how precious. Give me a break.

The guy was just looking for an easy way out—to dodge the inevitable and dump us all into HELL because a few hours of agony was too much for him to handle. This coward wouldn't even face the fire like the victims of historical religious zealots!
What a pathetic excuse for a man, let alone a God.

so?
are we supposed to believe an Almighty God didn't know who He was sending to Earth for this mission
... or what?
wasn't Jesus in heaven before anything else was even created?
and wasn't God the Father creating everything else right alongside Him?

So isn't that just one entity? A double or triple personality?

their unity is something people struggle to grasp

But you seem to have it all figured out.

but when you remind them of a father who deeply loves his son and a son who loves him back, and they both work together on the family farm, how is that so hard to understand?

Just a little farmhand analogy for them.

on earth, we call our fathers "fathers" (that's what we call them at home, and I don't see the problem there)

We do.

yet there is a Father over all of them because He is the Creator of all fathers
and I don't get what part of that is confusing

So it's the Mother instead of the Father then? And I still don't get what's supposed to be obvious here?

and hell and gnashing teeth... hell is imaginary, but if it actually existed—then today, Planet Earth would be its address

Hell is imaginary... 👍 just like the ego-maniacal sadist who dreamed it up—Jesus Christ. ☕
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Of course Jesus was more powerful and smarter than Solomon.

On what grounds? Everything Jesus spat out was just him parroting the Old Testament, wrapped up in his own signature brand of humanism: he basically patented the concept of an eternal HELL filled with grinding teeth.

Because Solomon was just a man who prayed from the heart, and since his heart was in the right place, God granted his wish... But later Solomon lost his way, brought idolatry into the Israeli people, and trashed his covenant with God (ending up in servitude in the end).

So Solomon actually turned out to be a total moron in the end? After all those massive signs from Yahweh, this guy just went off chasing other gods? What an idiot.
But Jesus claims he’s much greater than Solomon.

So, God comes to Earth just to brag about being superior to some royal buffoon like Solomon. 😂

He even said something like this:

All who came before me were thieves and robbers ;
"John 10:8

Basically, Jesus calls himself greater than the "thieves and robbers" (the Israeli prophets), yet he insists that one of those very same robbers and idiots prophesied specifically about HIM.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Comparing Jonah being stuck inside that massive fish for three days to the three days Jesus spent dead—it’s all just symbolism.

Except Jonah was actually alive the whole time—just sitting there in stomach acid without any oxygen...
So, is Jesus a man or is He God? Did He actually die, or are you just saying "He's alive" now? You Christians seem to have a totally different dictionary than the rest of us. Words like man, God, death, dying, living inside a fish, physics, superstition... none of it means what it's supposed to mean.

Moses wasn't spinning myths; he had a direct experience and just passed it on.

😂 Moses and Noah are basically just buddies from some brutal old fairy tales.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
I’m only replying partially here because half of you guys can barely figure out how to use the quote function properly.

In a fit of pure rage, he tore things apart inside the temple. It was chaos—gold and silver coins flying everywhere, clattering against the walls... you can only imagine the noise.

Total lie. You really think Little Jesus would be whipping merchants with a lash while everyone just stood there watching? Or did he have some hardcore disciples from Galilee standing by, ready to die for him or burn down a whole town?

Because what he saw inside felt like a personal insult, since he is, after all, the Son of his Father (you know the drill from the Bible).

So, is he the Son, or is he God, or what? Just some delusional egomaniac?
Imagine some guy walking into a massive cathedral today, smashing a booth run by the Council voice, and claiming he’s "personally offended" by how people treat the place where HE is worshiped. The cops would be there in five minutes to haul him away.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Maria Robinson2 said:"I am standing right here before you—Jesus. I possess wisdom greater than Solomon's; I am a prophet greater than Jonah, who turned an entire city—Nineveh—to the worship of Jehovah!" (I guess if I were the son of god, I'd also be some great wise prophet handing out signs to people.)

Jesus claims that Moses was actually talking about Him.
"How are you all so blind that you can't see ME in all the Jewish holy scriptures? IT IS I, JESUS, THE ONE THEY ARE ALL WRITING ABOUT!!"


And apparently, the mythical Moses only spoke of some future prophet even greater than himself—describing someone vague enough to be anyone.

Jesus seems to be fixated on this passage when he rants about the necessity of believing that Moses was specifically pointing to Him.

So, I suppose Jesus was just making a case for his own ego.

Only I, Jesus, am your Leader! Only I am your Teacher!

"The scribes and Pharisees sat in Moses's seat. So do and observe everything they tell you, but don't follow their actions, because they talk without doing. They tie heavy burdens onto people's shoulders but won't even lift a finger to help. They do everything just to be seen by others. In fact, they lengthen their scrolls and make their tassels longer. They love the best seats at banquets, the first chairs in synagogues, greetings in the streets, and being called 'Rabbi' by people. But you, don't let yourselves be called 'Rabbi,' since you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. Nor should you call anyone on earth 'father,' because you have one Father—the one in heaven. (Though what about the Pope—the Holy Father?) And don't let leaders call you theirs, because you have one leader—Christ.

From such egomaniacs, we can probably expect nothing more than aggressive copyright claims and the retention of all rights to goodness and progress... under threat of a fiery HELL filled with the grinding of teeth.

The Acts of Jesus. 🙄

The day Jesus truly lost His temper was when He walked into the temple and found it being run like some chaotic back-alley marketplace—he ended up tossing things everywhere in a fit of rage. There must have been an incredible amount of noise, with gold and silver coins clattering against the temple walls... one can only imagine the racket.
Because what He saw inside felt like a personal insult—since He is, after all, the son of His Father (you already know the sections in the book)

Jonah’s three days inside the belly of that massive fish is just symbolism for the three days of Jesus’s death as a man.

Moses wasn't dealing in myths; he had actual insight and simply passed it along as he received it.

Obviously, Jesus was more powerful and wiser than Solomon—Solomon was just a man who prayed from the heart, and since his heart was in the right place at the time, God granted his request... but Solomon eventually lost his way, introduced idolatry to the people, and broke his covenant with God (which ultimately led him to servitude).
Jesus also possessed free will; He could have chosen a different path, yet His agreement with the Father was deeply woven into His heart, and He saw that pact through to the end.

So?
Are we suggesting that an Almighty God didn't know who He was sending to Earth for this mission?
... or what?
Wasn't Jesus himself present in heaven before anything else was even created?
And wasn't God, as the Father, creating everything else alongside Him?
People struggle to grasp their unity, I suppose—but if you remind them of a father who loves his son and is loved in return, working together on the family estate, is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

On Earth, we call our fathers "fathers" (that's how we refer to our own kin back home, and I don't see the issue there).
Yet, there is still a Father above them all, as He is the Creator of all fathers.
And I honestly don't see what part of that is confusing.

As for hell and the gnashing of teeth... hell is imaginary, but if it actually existed, this planet would be its headquarters by now.

That's about it. 🙂
The day Jesus truly lost His temper was when He walked into the temple and found it being run like some chaotic back-alley marketplace—he ended up tossing things everywhere in a fit of rage. There must have been an incredible amount of noise, with gold and silver coins clattering against the temple walls... one can only imagine the racket.
Because what He saw inside felt like a personal insult—since He is, after all, the son of His Father (you already know the sections in the book)

Jonah’s three days inside the belly of that massive fish is just symbolism for the three days of Jesus’s death as a man.

Moses wasn't dealing in myths; he had actual insight and simply passed it along as he received it.

Obviously, Jesus was more powerful and wiser than Solomon—Solomon was just a man who prayed from the heart, and since his heart was in the right place at the time, God granted his request... but Solomon eventually lost his way, introduced idolatry to the people, and broke his covenant with God (which ultimately led him to servitude).
Jesus also possessed free will; He could have chosen a different path, yet His agreement with the Father was deeply woven into His heart, and He saw that pact through to the end.

So?
Are we suggesting that an Almighty God didn't know who He was sending to Earth for this mission?
... or what?
Wasn't Jesus himself present in heaven before anything else was even created?
And wasn't God, as the Father, creating everything else alongside Him?
People struggle to grasp their unity, I suppose—but if you remind them of a father who loves his son and is loved in return, working together on the family estate, is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

On Earth, we call our fathers "fathers" (that's how we refer to our own kin back home, and I don't see the issue there).
Yet, there is still a Father above them all, as He is the Creator of all fathers.
And I honestly don't see what part of that is confusing.

As for hell and the gnashing of teeth... hell is imaginary, but if it actually existed, this planet would be its headquarters by now.

That's about it. 🙂
The day Jesus truly lost His temper was when He walked into the temple and found it being run like some chaotic back-alley marketplace—he ended up tossing things everywhere in a fit of rage. There must have been an incredible amount of noise, with gold and silver coins clattering against the temple walls... one can only imagine the racket.
Because what He saw inside felt like a personal insult—since He is, after all, the son of His Father (you already know the sections in the book)

Jonah’s three days inside the belly of that massive fish is just symbolism for the three days of Jesus’s death as a man.

Moses wasn't dealing in myths; he had actual insight and simply passed it along as he received it.

Obviously, Jesus was more powerful and wiser than Solomon—Solomon was just a man who prayed from the heart, and since his heart was in the right place at the time, God granted his request... but Solomon eventually lost his way, introduced idolatry to the people, and broke his covenant with God (which ultimately led him to servitude).
Jesus also possessed free will; He could have chosen a different path, yet His agreement with the Father was deeply woven into His heart, and He saw that pact through to the end.

So?
Are we suggesting that an Almighty God didn't know who He was sending to Earth for this mission?
... or what?
Wasn't Jesus himself present in heaven before anything else was even created?
And wasn't God, as the Father, creating everything else alongside Him?
People struggle to grasp their unity, I suppose—but if you remind them of a father who loves his son and is loved in return, working together on the family estate, is that really such a difficult concept to understand?

On Earth, we call our fathers "fathers" (that's how we refer to our own kin back home, and I don't see the issue there).
Yet, there is still a Father above them all, as He is the Creator of all fathers.
And I honestly don't see what part of that is confusing.

As for hell and the gnashing of teeth... hell is imaginary, but if it actually existed, this planet would be its headquarters by now.

That's about it. 🙂
Total nonsense. They were just selling supplies for worship services there—like those doves his mother bought. But the Greeks didn't get it; they just made up this whole story about Jesus being outraged over money changers and temple currency. It’s just your typical smear campaign against Israelis by a bunch of unrefined, bigoted Greek writers.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Maria Robinson2 said:Your frustration is understandable, I suppose; a huge number of people feel bitter toward God and regularly blame Him, treating Him as the one responsible for everything.
But that doesn't hold water—and to understand why things are the way they are, we really need to study the book to expand our understanding of such an important topic.

Jesus (as the son of god) wasn't out there promoting himself or bragging about being the perfect physician who refuses to share knowledge just for fun.
Why would God send Him at all, rather than just teleporting knowledge directly into everyone's minds on Earth?
Given the nature of the human heart, that probably wouldn't have been wise; even back then, there were little Hitlers or people who would have cheered at the discovery of nuclear bombs... everything would have exploded right then, and we wouldn't even be here today.

Similarly, it isn't accurate to say God just sits by watching human suffering, because the Bible says otherwise.
And yes, the book explains that all of this will eventually be wiped away in due time, so maybe it’s better if we stop judging so soon.
As for why it hasn't happened yet, or why it wasn't given in the past—that's what seems to bother you, I guess.
The answer lies in a subject you won't allow yourself to face, because it’s easier to skip the actual knowledge and just put God on trial.🙄

Jesus was basically the biggest show-off to ever exist.:

Jesus claims He’s actually wiser than even Solomon, the wisest guy to ever walk the earth.

Jonah's Seal of Solomon
People kept coming at Him, demanding some kind of flashy sign just to prove He wasn't a fraud. Honestly, I get it—we all want the magic trick. But He didn't bite. He just looked at them and basically said that unless they see the signs right in front of their faces, nothing's going to change. It’s like looking at a masterpiece and asking for a flashlight to prove it’s real. Such a waste of time.
Some legalistic scholars and hypocrites once cornered him, demanding a sign to prove himself. He just told them straight: an evil and unfaithful generation keeps hunting for signs, but they aren't getting anything except Jonah's sign. Just like Jonah spent three days and nights inside the belly of a whale, the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. When Judgment Day comes, the people of Nineveh are going to stand up alongside this generation and condemn them, because they actually listened to Jonah’s preaching—and look, there's something even greater here than Jonah. Even the Queen of the South will rise up at the Judgment to condemn this generation, because she traveled from the ends of the earth just to hear Solomon's wisdom, and yet, here is someone even greater than Solomon.

"Look, I'm standing right here—I am Jesus. I've got more wisdom than Solomon, and I'm a bigger prophet than Jonah, the guy who actually convinced an entire city like Nineveh to turn back to Jehovah!" (Yeah, sure. If I were really the Son of God, I’d probably be some legendary sage performing miracles left and right.)

Jesus says that Moses was actually talking about Him.
How is everyone so dense that they can't see ME in all those Jewish scriptures? It's me, Jesus, the one everyone keeps writing about.


Don't think for a second I'm going to sue my Father. Your prosecutor is Moses, so who exactly do you think you're betting on? (46) Honestly, if you actually believed Moses, you'd believe me too. He was the one talking about me.If you can't even trust his letters, why on earth would you believe a word I say?

Moses basically just said that someone even greater than him would show up later, describing a figure who could pretty much be anyone.

Jesus is looking at this passage when he’s yelling about how people need to realize that Moses was actually talking about him all along.

Yahweh is going to raise up a prophet from among your own people—someone just like you—so listen to him! It’s exactly what you asked for back at Horeb during that assembly, when you told Yahweh, "I'm done hearing Your voice, and I can't handle staring into that terrifying fire without dying!" Well, Yahweh actually agreed with you. He said, "They're right. I'll pick a prophet from their own ranks, just like you. I'll put my words directly into his mouth so he tells them exactly what I command." But fair warning: if anyone ignores what this prophet says in His name, they'll have to answer to Him personally.

So, Jesus was basically just feeding his own ego.

I’m the only one who matters—your leader, your teacher, and nothing else.

The scholars and religious elites have taken over Moses's seat. Honestly, just do what they tell you, but don't expect them to actually walk the walk—they love talking, but they won't lift a finger to help. They’ll pile heavy burdens on everyone else while they sit back and watch. It’s all just a performance for the crowd; they love the attention, the fancy titles, the front-row seats at church, and being called "Teacher" or "Rabbi" in public. But don't bother calling yourselves that. We only have one teacher, and we're all brothers. Don't even call anyone "Father" here on earth, because we only have one Father up in heaven. (And what about the Pope? Is he the Holy Father?) Just don't let people treat you like they're your leaders, because our only leader is Christ.

With an egomaniac like that, you can only expect heavy-handed copyright claims and them hoarding every bit of progress and profit... all while threatening you with literal hellfire and grinding teeth.

The Acts of Jesus. 🙄
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Nancy Wilson2 said:Regarding the matter of divine casualties versus the concept of good and evil—and please forgive me if this feels slightly tangential to our main discussion—

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot....an-or-god.html

Who, strictly speaking, has caused more death: God or Satan?

When you actually sit down and tally the numbers found in the Bible, the data is quite striking. God is responsible for approximately 2,476,633 deaths—many of whom were entirely innocent—whereas Satan is credited with only 10. If we look at the broader cumulative estimates, we are talking about God being responsible for roughly 25 million deaths, compared to a mere 60 attributed to Satan.

By that metric, one has to ask: who is truly the force of good here, God or Satan? 🙂

Wait, what? 60? I thought he only snatched 10—you know, Job's seven sons (whom the guy prayed for daily) and his three daughters (who he didn't give a damn about), all part of some high-stakes bet God made.

Where is this 60 from for the Devil's victims? 🤷

Besides, our dear God basically rigged it so Adam and Eve became mortal and started suffering on Earth. Honestly, God is the ultimate biblical monster. And it gets even darker in the parts written by the Greeks. It's not enough to just kill you there; you have to endure eternal torture. Man, those Greeks...
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
Susan Green15 said:Your response was directed at my assertion that believers think killing is acceptable.
To be clear, I wasn't referring to when humans kill, but rather when God kills.
The point is, believers see absolutely nothing wrong with mass slaughter when God is the one doing it (take the Great Flood, for example, or everything that went down in Egypt). Mass killings don't seem to bother believers at all. They justify them in various ways: as punishment for Adam and Eve's sin, punishment for people failing to pray, or punishment because someone else didn't behave properly (God punishes the people of Egypt by killing them, simply because the Egyptian rulers weren't behaving themselves??????).

Can you truly claim it is baseless to suggest that believers are like walking time bombs, killing in the name of their God, especially after all the bloodshed and suffering that both clergy and believers have inflicted throughout history?

If the opportunity actually existed, would you bet that they’d send me to the stake, burn all my posts, declare me a witch, and torture me a little first just to force me to renounce my "blasphemous" ideas?
Look, those were different times, back when the Church held enough power to crush any critical thought and murder or torture people simply because they wanted to think for themselves instead of parroting the nonsense served up by priests.

I believe that God, as you have defined Him, is evil.
You believe He is good.
And that is what we are debating right now.
You, however, seem to want to ban any discussion regarding the matter entirely.

Jesus Christ is basically just a total monster:

Richard Dawkins:
The god of The Old testament is arguably The most unpleasant character in All fiction: jealous, prideful, petty, and totally obsessed with controlling people. He’s just a vengeful, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser—misogynistic, homophobic, racist, and a genocidal maniac who kills his own sons. Just a megalomaniacal, sadistic bully.

The god of The Old testament is arguably The most unpleasant character in All fiction: he’s a jealous, prideful control freak who’s petty and unforgiving. Honestly, the guy is just a vindictive, bloodthirsty bully—misogynistic, homophobic, racist, and totally obsessed with genocide and killing off entire families. Just a straight-up megalomaniacal nightmare.

Now that we've settled that, can we actually ask a question like this:

If God somehow steered the whole evolution thing, does that make Him a bad guy?

Natural selection basically works by killing off the kids. Simple as that.

Let's not forget we actually exist, and that everything we've got was basically handed to us without anyone even bothering to ask our opinion.

Even if you consider that humans have been grinding against a brutal nature for about a million years—with our ancestors doing the heavy lifting before us—just to survive, learn, and actually build something. 👍

Huh.

All this talk about "good vs. evil" is just beating a dead horse. Let the cult theologians waste their own time on that nonsense—I’m certainly not paying them to do it.
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
wearyowl29 said:Lukić hiding behind an Anthony Perez9 mask...😂😂😂

Yeah, right. lol

His followers really shouldn't complain about being served that racist, anti-Semitic clown show of a website, especially with that goofy Lukić plastered all over the front page. They’re probably out there hallucinating that every person whose username they hijacked is just some reincarnation of Lukić, hiding away in a hole somewhere. 😂
Why doesn't God share His knowledge? in Religion ·
rowdyraven13 said:One might respond to this with a single counter-question: Why don't these bewildered skeptics bother to reflect on the subject at all before they start lobbing such mindless inquiries?

First of all, to whom exactly is this question being directed? To believers? How would we even know? You won't believe me, my dear atheists and antitheists, but God doesn't hold daily "briefings" with us to explain His plans or His actions. Furthermore, one has to wonder if any human being would truly be capable of grasping the designs and imaginings of the Creator.

This question, however, perfectly illustrates the specific type of person who abandons faith to declare themselves an atheist. They are people with a parasitic mindset, lazy individuals who expect God to function as a concierge service—expecting Him to use His omnipotence to solve their problems for them. Then, when they see that isn't how it works, and realize that God likely expects humans to actually put in some effort (after all, why else would He grant us such brains?), they walk away from God and faith in disappointment. It is much like how they abandon people who fail to be sufficiently useful or meet their expectations, or how they abandon ideals that require actual sacrifice and toil.

It is these very people who sit here bemoaning the death of the sick, the plight of hungry children, or perhaps a sudden freeze in San Francisco, yet they aren't even willing to lift a finger to address the very problems that supposedly trouble them so deeply. Instead, they expect God, the government, politicians, or anyone else to simply "do something." They proceed to blame everything around them—starting with God—for various failures, yet not once does it occur to them that they haven't lifted a finger themselves to help those sick or hungry children. Aside from, of course, their endless rambling on the internet.

And so, they pose these questions to believers as if they were detectives conducting a police interrogation. If you must ask, then go ahead and ask God, my atheist friends. Direct your queries to Him rather than to believers. Because, let’s be honest, you aren't actually interested in the answer; this is just another unoriginal, recycled tactic—one that you create yourselves—to launch an attack on faith. Your goal is to indict religion and God, not to care about the fate of the sick and hungry children whose suffering supposedly moves you.

I simply cannot fathom how anyone imagines that "God distributes knowledge" by writing us instruction manuals. What would be the point of any effort? God could, with a mere thought, heal the sick and feed the hungry. Why would He bother "educating" us or "sharing knowledge" only for us to struggle through it, when solving our problems would be effortless for Him?

But God created us exactly as we are. He gave us reason and consciousness. He gave us morality and emotion. He provided us with intelligence, the capacity for abstract thought, and the ability to learn and draw conclusions. He gave us everything necessary to become capable of attaining knowledge on our own. He gave us skillful hands to build and create. The only thing He didn't give certain people was diligence and the willingness to roll up their sleeves; and so, these individuals accuse God of negligence, laziness, or selfishness, even though they themselves are the very embodiment of those traits.

God created the entire universe and oversees its functioning. He also created our planet—our little world—and placed us within it (in His own image, and therefore similar to Him), granting us the intellectual capacity (at least to some of us) to take care of this world of ours.

So the question arises: if God intended to solve our problems for us, or if He intended to merely "hand over knowledge" without requiring our effort, why would He have bothered to instill in us qualities like intelligence, curiosity, ambition, imagination, and everything else required to explore the nature of things, to learn, and to master knowledge?

The only one who's actually lost is you. Look, the MythBusters are a famous TV atheist duo who spent their time tearing down conspiracy theories, superstitions, and all that other junk. They did great work.

But you’re just embarrassing them by using their name as your handle. Typical clout-chasing... and failing miserably at it.

Here’s a quick list of some atheists in TV, radio, and theater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_and_theater)

Jamie Hyneman (1956–): American visual effects expert, best known as the co-host of the television series MythBusters.[96]

Adam Savage (1967–): American television co-host on the program MythBusters.[171]

Kari Byron (1974–): American television host and artist, best known for her featured role on the Discovery Channel show MythBusters.[24][25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters

Summary: both hosts are atheists. One episode even took aim at creationism. They planned to demonstrate natural selection because they were disgusted that 50% of the country (USA) still buys into biblical creationism.

Both are atheists or atheistic. Hyneman confirmed this When He was interviewed by Skepticality , and Savage Has pushed hard for a Mythbusters episode to disprove creationism.

Hyneman: "I actually before this didn't really know that much about the skeptics society, and I guess Adam and our producer were a lot more up on it and were more enthusiastic about it, but once I got into it, I became aware that unknowingly, I mean, I'm actually pretty adamant about the whole God thing. And it seems that skeptics are by and large atheists or something approaching that, which I strongly identify with, and so it turned out to be a good thing and I've become enthusiastically a part of it."

Savage: "My goal this year is to prove natural selection on the show. It's gonna take a while, it's gonna be very hard to make it fascinating on film in the context of our narrative structure, but I figure screw it. The sky's the limit. Let's do natural selection. I'm sick of fifty percent of this country thinking creationism is reasonable. It's appalling. And I have the unique ability, maybe, to sell this idea to Discovery, and they'll, they might allow me to do it, and I'm gonna try as hard as I can."

Source(s):

http://www.celebatheists.com/?title=Jami…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Savage…

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It makes you wonder, though. If God intended to just sit back instead of actually fixing our mess—if He just wanted to "hand out knowledge" without us breaking a sweat—then why bother giving us intelligence, curiosity, ambition, or the ability to imagine things that don't even exist yet? Why give us all the tools needed to study nature and master science if we weren't supposed to use them?

God and Jesus are staying silent as usual. So what’s the point of that useless hypothesis rattling around in our heads? It’s just a distraction. We have more than enough here on Earth to handle space travel and everything else.

So instead of asking God, go ask MythBusters! 😂
Why did Jesus die? in Religion ·
Alex Ramos91 said:That curtain served as the barrier in the Temple, separating the area where the Levite priests performed their duties from the Holy of Holies—the place where the Ark of the Covenant sat and where God’s presence actually resided. It was intense. Just once a year, on the Day of Reconciliation, the High Priest alone could step through that veil, carrying the sacrificial blood to atone for the people's sins and carry out the ritual of atonement.

Look, people keep getting this wrong. When that curtain ripped apart at the moment Jesus died, it wasn't some sign that God was throwing a temper tantrum. It wasn't about divine wrath. It’s actually the exact opposite. That tear was a symbol—it showed that one single, perfect sacrifice had been made for our sins. The path to the Holy of Holies is wide open now. It's not like before, where only the High Priest could step into God's presence. Now? Anyone who comes to God through Christ's blood has a direct line. It's open to everyone. Period.

It’s all right there in the book of Hebrews, chapter 10:
Look, brothers, here’s the reality: we have total, unrestricted access to the Holy of Holies because of Jesus' blood. It’s not some gatekept ritual anymore. He tore through that curtain—His own body—to carve out this new, living path for us. We’ve got a High Priest overseeing God's house now, so the old barriers are gone. This means we need to show up with a sincere heart and full-blown faith. No faking it. We need our hearts cleansed from a guilty conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let's actually live like it.

Now we’re getting into deep philosophical territory—it’s like that whole mess with Judah betraying Jesus under the influence of Satan, where Jesus tells him he’d have been better off never being born in the first place.
It’s obvious that God, in His infinite omniscience, already knows exactly how any given person is going to choose. What really blows my mind, though, is how God has this incredible ability to take our absolute worst decisions and somehow twist them into something good—even if we still have to own up to our own actions and consequences.

That’s just some Greek invention. You won't find stories like that among the Jews at all. I mean, they would have noticed, right? It's like if someone tripped and smashed a statue of Saint Helen in Saint Peter's Cathedral and nobody heard a peep or saw a thing.

So you still haven't explained the three hours of darkness covering the world and the earthquake happening the moment Jesus died on the cross.
Isn't that just God's wrath hitting those who killed His Son?
(Not that God doesn't lose His temper plenty of times in the Bible)

What's the symbol behind those three hours of darkness? (Since nobody seems to have recorded it anywhere else)

it wasn't an expression of God's anger, but a symbol

Nah. That was just the Greeks trying to say God wasn't on the side of the Jews anymore, but had shifted toward the Greeks—basically, Christians. They changed the theology. Scrapped the old one and wrote a New Testament.

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Though, I gotta admit, I dig the idea of the "torn curtain" symbolizing the end of separation. The Being behind the curtain, which used to communicate only with priests, finally opening up to everyone. But that's just poetic license. Priests have always been the ones "hiding behind the curtain," kind of like the Wizard of Oz. Once the curtain gets ripped away, you just see some balding guy, even though until then, you were hearing the mighty voice of Jehovah....
Enlightened Jeff in Spirituality ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:@ Daniel Castillo11 My deepest respects... seriously impressive recent posts.

As for enlightened Jeff and all his sermons, websites, podcasts, and whatnot—it actually reminded me of this joke:

God and the devil are looking down from above at a man who just reached enlightenment:
- He's saved, says God. He's finally enlightened; he knows exactly who he is.
There's nothing you can do to him now...
- Hehe, on the contrary, now the real work begins, says the devil. Now I get to help him
get organized, build a following, and preach everything he's discovered.

👍

As for enlightened Jeff and his whole setup—the site, the podcasts, all that—it actually reminds me of this joke:

God and the devil are looking down from above at a guy who just hit enlightenment:
- He’s saved, God says. He’s finally enlightened and knows who he really is,
so there's nothing you can do to him now...
- Heh, quite the opposite. Now the real work begins, the devil says. I’m going to help him
get organized, build a following, and preach everything he just realized.

Hmm. There’s a version of that joke attributed to Jiddu Krishnamurti. He used to talk about how God and the devil watched a man find the Truth and grab hold of it. God turns to Satan and asks:

"Does that bother you?"

To which the prince of darkness replies: "Not at all. I'll help him organize it."

It's a jab at religious institutions—all those hierarchies, dogmas, and massive buildings. Jeff’s talks don't fall into that bucket. Neither did Krishnamurti's. Why shouldn't someone share what they've experienced and then just be quiet? Sure, he charges for it, but that's just covering overhead. If he started acting like an authority figure or let people turn him into a guru, he’d be falling right into the trap of those religious hustlers and the general human laziness that craves a leader to follow. I don't think that's his style.

So, the joke doesn't really fit our Jeff. 🙂
But it definitely hits the likes of Sai, Osho Rajneesh, Maharishi, Saint Paul, Mahaguru, Muhammad, and those other fakes.
Enlightened Jeff in Spirituality ·
electricdriver33 said:Is it just me, or is everyone else missing how much The Unknown is totally trolling enlightened Jeff and the whole idea of enlightenment itself... 😕
If nothing else, that opening post he made to start this thread was actually being pretty mild. 😍 😂

If that's how you want to take it, fine, but that wasn't my point. 😉

People have turned "reaching realization" into this sacred little fetish.

It’s like someone obsessing over being "cured" when they're actually just a hypochondriac. In that case, the "desire to be cured" is the actual sickness.

The only thing that makes sense is realizing you've been acting like an idiot the whole time.
Asking "How do I get there? What are the steps? How can I speed this up?" is just another hypochondriac trick to drag out the "treatment period" until death—which means never.

Convincing a hypochondriac that running from doctor to doctor (guru, books, saints, altars) is somehow "deeply meaningful" just lines the pockets of spiritual scammers who peddle their holy guidance at the local spirituality/faith/religion market for cash and ego.

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Then there’s Krein’s "Watch Destroyer." He probably just gave in to total laziness.
That guy is even worse than the hypochondriacs. 😁

Summary: we've got spiritual

1. active hypochondriacs.
2. gullible believers who blindly follow authority figures.
3. lazy slackers.

The third group is the absolute worst. 😂

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* slacker/lazy state.

Just a common way to describe that low-energy, lethargic vibe...
Enlightened Jeff in Spirituality ·
Paul Jones7 said:As for the whole search thing, I don't know about anyone else, but for me, it's where the joy is. Or rather, the pursuit itself—just asking questions and hunting for answers. It leads to curiosity, sure, but also... Just more of that everyday emptiness.

I should probably check his blog to see how Jeff washes his dishes. 😂
Enlightened Jeff in Spirituality ·
Daniel Castillo11 said:But honestly, what Jeff is teaching essentially dismantles every religion and all forms of spirituality out there—even those more agnostic paths like Advaita Vedanta, let alone Christianity, which tends to crumble the moment you start applying any real critical scrutiny to it.

There is simply no requirement for external saviors, fairies, spirits, gods, or even the devil...

The individual life is actually just Life being viewed through the eyes of an illusory self. Jeff, much like certain naturalistic philosophers and pantheists, maintains that Life—that ultimate Steak/Absolute—is ever-present, right here and now. There is no need to go searching because we are already "home." All spiritualities and religions are built upon duality and the supernatural, acting as if some otherworldly realm is our true home or essence. But if everything truly Is, then searching becomes redundant. Simply abandoning the search is what constitutes "enlightenment" (if we absolutely must use such confusing terminology). I believe the late Jiddu Krishnamurti would have found common ground with that sentiment.

If I may draw a parallel to the philosophy of immanence and Gilles Deleuze, Life—or what he refers to as the "chaosmos" (a blend of chaos and cosmos)—is an infinite sequence of processes, dynamically scattered yet fundamentally interconnected. In this view, the illusion of separation between subject and object dissolves. In reality, Life is a flow in which it is impossible to capture its essence and then proceed to talk about it. That is precisely why theology and sacred texts ultimately fail. The very notion of searching for something that is already present is quite damaging; it is a waste of precious time and only serves to fuel anxiety—the "I must achieve this or that" mentality—and existential crises.

Thomas Metzinger, a modern philosopher working in tandem with neuroscience, has arrived at a new metaphysical model suggesting that every form of individuality is illusory, including the little "ego," the grand "Self," and every variety of identity we cling to. These types of attachments are merely products of cultural, genetic, biological, and psychological conditioning. For Metzinger, the "self" is always a phenomenon and never a noumenon (or a distinct essence/object). Subject and object are just standard polarities within the human brain. However, Life/Steak/Existence exists as a self-sufficient entity, without any need for external objects to somehow cause that Steak. This effectively dismantles creationist arguments and implies a radical rejection of anything "transcendental," because the mere idea of something distant and artificially severed from the Steak itself is inherently problematic.

@Anthony Perez9

Man...

👍 Cheers to atheistic spirituality! 🙂

You mentioned a few heavy hitters. 👍

It’s high time we strip the halo off these "spiritual quests" and call them what they really are—just broken, dysfunctional mental loops. Thinking God is going to swoop in and fix us because we're too weak to handle it ourselves is just another way of turning our backs on Simple Awareness. 🙂
Enlightened Jeff in Spirituality ·
David Miller55 said:And who says Maya wasn't right all along when she predicted 2012 would be the year of a total paradigm shift—the "death" of one world and the "birth" of another?😲

Even our colleague Anthony Perez9, who has spent his time stubbornly churning out those sour,
angry, malicious, dark, and negative pamphlets—mostly just rehashed translations from some obscure American "anti-sites"😉—is suddenly offering us something
wonderful, optimistic, and enlightened for a change.🙂
Chi breaks through where even a sword cannot penetrate.😁

Let’s hope this positive shift acts like a worm burrowing into the hard, indigestible apple of negativity that Anthony Perez9 has been serving us from his little stall for years.
Perhaps in just ten incarnations, our dear Anthony Perez9 will finally open his inner eye and
find something good even in the Bible or the Gospels, allowing him to write on these future forums with the same fervor he used to have.😛 🙂

Bravo, Anthony Perez9.🙏
Honestly, I was starting to worry that frogs and fish would reach the OMEGA point before Anthony Perez9 ever stopped playing that same broken record of malice and negativity.🙂

That whole "Mayan calendar apocalypse" thing is just pure garbage cooked up by writers looking to cash in on sensationalist nonsense for gullible New Age types.

We can see how our buddy Anthony Perez9, who’s spent his time here cranking out nothing but bitter, angry, malicious, dark, and negative pamphlets ripped straight from some "anti-" websites, ...

😂

Anthony Perez9 is just trying to flush all that religious junk out of the heads of people obsessed with God. It's about tossing Jesus-God down the toilet and flushing so he doesn't accidentally crawl back in some other Jesus-form. 🙂

...offers us all something
wonderful, optimistic, and enlightened🙂

Anthony Perez9 is always "offering" it; some people just don't like the full "package." They want to cherry-pick. 😉

Chi forces its way through where even a drill cannot go.

Chi as an "atheistic approach." lol
Despite all the theological gymnastics from obsessed apologists and organized churches. 👍

Let's hope this positive change acts like a worm of doubt, eating away at the hard, indigestible apple of negativity that Anthony Perez9 has been serving us from his little soapbox for years.

You're being ridiculous. Anthony Perez9 hasn't changed his tune one bit since he first showed up on this forum.

Maybe in a dozen reincarnations, our good friend Anthony Perez9 will finally open his inner eye and find something decent in the Bible or the Gospels, writing about them on these future forums with the same zeal he's always had.

Just religious pipe dreams... whether they come from the East or the West. 🙂

nice one, Anthony Perez9 🙏

For the whole thing? lol

honestly, I was more worried that frogs and fish would hit the OMEGA point before Anthony Perez9 finally stopped playing that same old broken record filled with nothing but malice and negativity 🙂

Good luck washing out that Krishna-God. lol