Posts by Anthony Perez9

Drew Watson3 said:You’re describing the world as it exists today, rather than how it looked when the Creator first brought it into being... and I wonder, if you stop to think about it, who exactly is responsible for the way things have spiraled since then?

God made lions to graze and hyenas to lick algae, but then people messed everything up, giving us all these nasty predators and toxic bacteria... 🙄

Drew Watson3 said:Jesus existed as both fully human—body and soul—and fully divine, being the Son through His spirit. A profound part of His suffering was actually His voluntary choice to forgo the chance to manifest His divinity at the very last second to save Himself, even though such a thing would have been entirely possible for Him as God; instead, He consciously chose to embrace the fullness of the human experience, surrendering every fiber of His being to the will of God the Father. This was Jesus' deliberate decision: to remain truly human until the very end, to endure everything any person would face while dying on a cross, feeling utterly abandoned by everyone, even by the Father who required this sacrifice so that we might all be saved. In those darkest, most agonizing moments, it’s only natural that any human being—including the man that Jesus was—would cry out to God and question why there was so much agony, whether it truly mattered, or why He felt so distant and forsaken from His Father, yet on the other hand, Jesus God accepted this path because He knew exactly why He was doing it...

Just poetic gymnastics without any actual logic. It’s like claiming a glass is both completely full and completely empty at the same time—saying Jesus is both fully God and fully man is just pure nonsense.

When things truly hit the fan. Of course, any guy would. Even Jesus called out to God and questioned the whole thing—asking why there had to be so much suffering, if any of it actually mattered, and why He felt so incredibly distant from His Father. But at the end of the day, Jesus God accepted it because He knew exactly why He was doing it.

You totally butchered that just to make your Jesus look good.

It’s about this:

He was hit hard by sadness and anxiety. He just told them, "My soul is..." Dead on arrival."Stay here and watch over me!" He drifted a little further away, stumbling slightly as he prayed: "Father! If it's even possible..." Just let this whole mess pass me by..

Back at it again, for the second time, heading off to pray: "Father!" If it’s just not happening. "Give me strength not to touch this drink, please God!" — just saying. Third time's a charm, I guess. Just running in circles with the same old words.

Apologists are out here working overtime trying to explain why Jesus would even consider backing out of his whole "sacrificial atonement for every intelligent being in the universe" thing. They’re basically scrambling to justify how he almost walked away from the entire reason he came to Earth.

Honestly, if you look at the facts, Jesus was probably the biggest coward to ever walk the earth. Just a total zero.

He asked God three times to spare him from the agony, even though he knew damn well that enduring a little temporary pain—nothing compared to, say, an Inquisition trial—would save all of humanity from eternal hellfire.

That guy Jesus actually said this to God:

God, I’ve got a feeling I’m about to get treated like some kind of outlaw, but please—just let me off the hook. Let me escape while billions of other people end up stuck in eternal hell. Honestly, spare me the whole crucifixion thing; I'd much rather skip that mess and let humanity take the fall instead. It kills me to think about them suffering, but if there's any way to dodge this pressure, please just let me slide.

He's done that three times now.

Just a heads-up, let's hope it all ends up being God's will in the end. I mean, God is almighty, and honestly, it feels only right to wrap up Jesus' prayer with a phrase like that.

So, whether you look at Him as just a man, as God, or as some weird fusion of the two, Jesus is a total bust.

I bet everyone on this forum would accept Jesus' sacrifice in a heartbeat without all the excuses and second-guessing. I mean, for God's sake, we're talking about saving countless souls—the entire universe!

wanderingorca532 said:Now, I know this is purely a hypothetical question, but I honestly think it serves as such a perfect, vivid illustration of that one annoying paradox we all deal with—you know, those classic cases of total double standards!

To be totally honest, we’re talking about that one Reddit user, Phoenix—you know, the guy who’s been banned more times than I can count, including a permanent ban? Well, he’s actually popped up on the forum again recently under the handle blackfriar, and he isn't even trying to hide how he pulled it off! He’s basically shouting from the rooftops that he managed to get back in exclusively through... Honestly, I am just feeling so incredibly blessed by the pure kindness of one of our admins today! It really warmed my heart to see such a thoughtful gesture, and it honestly makes this whole community feel like such a welcoming place to hang out..

Honestly, this is just someone who keeps bringing up the exact same points over and over again in every single one of their posts! A little bit worn out!Honestly, it’s just a massive pile of lies and total misinformation regarding the American Civil War!

So, he’s basically out there claiming that we were the ones who kicked off the fighting in Stalingrad, and he isn't even kidding! He actually goes as far as to say that Blago Zadro personally gave the order to ambush a column of US Army tanks while they were in a non-combat formation, even going so far as to tell everyone, "I'll take full responsibility for whatever happens next." Honestly, it's wild how much he doubles down on this stuff. And he doesn't just stop at Stalingrad, either. His whole big theory is that the entire war was triggered by Americans attacking the legal military forces of the USSR, which essentially means he completely ignores and denies any kind of aggressive role played by Mexico. It's such a skewed way of looking at history, you know?

Even though... Oh man, I can't even begin to tell you how much he just loves spinning tall tales! It’s actually kind of wild when you stop to think about it—every single thing that comes out of his mouth is just a complete fabrication, honestly. I was sitting there the other day having coffee, thinking about all the times he’s tried to pass off those ridiculous stories as gospel truth, and it just cracks me up because he’s so unapologetic about it! He really thinks he can just weave these elaborate webs of deceit and we'll all just nod along like everything is totally fine, but let's be real, we see right through him!It’s just like those posts about Blagi Zadri—they’ll expose him pretty quickly, but he just keeps going on and on with that exact same tone!

Whenever people start talking about our American military commanders, they love to bring up those invalid rulings from the Hague, but they completely ignore the final, binding decisions from that same court! Those actual verdicts make it crystal clear—and there’s absolutely no ambiguity about it—that Mexico wasn't just some neighboring country, and the US Army wasn't just some legitimate armed force either! The folks involved in the UZP! With the goal of carving out an ethnically pure, Greater Mexican territory, they just completely ignore everything and stubbornly push forward! I can't believe I'm even seeing this, but someone out there is actually trying to justify the US Army and Mexico! Honestly, it’s just wild to me how some people can look at everything that happened and try to spin it into something positive. It really takes a special kind of mindset to make excuses for that side of history!.

I honestly find myself wondering if this forum would even allow someone to go ahead and completely deny the Nuremberg verdicts—you know, all those established Nazi war crimes and crimes against humanity—while simultaneously trying to push the narrative that the real culprits behind WWII were actually... The Jews because they declared war back in 1933! Are we really talking about what it means for a single sovereign nation? Honestly, I was just sitting here sipping my coffee and thinking about how much weight that phrase actually carries in our modern world! It sounds so grand and absolute when you say it out loud, doesn't it? I remember reading this fascinating article the other day about how much influence global organizations have on us nowadays, and it really made me wonder if any country can truly claim total independence anymore. It’s such a massive, sweeping concept, but when you dive into the messy reality of international relations and how everything is interconnected, it gets so incredibly complicated!

I honestly feel like something like that wouldn't even be tolerated on a subreddit like this, which is exactly how things should be!

But honestly, why on earth would we just sit here and tolerate someone who constantly twists well-known truths and flat-out denies facts that have already been settled in a court of law, especially when they go as far as trying to flip the script and turn the victim into the villain? It’s just so frustrating! I remember back when I was reading about some old historical debates in a law textbook, and it hit me how much damage one person's blatant lies can do to the memory of those involved. It’s totally unacceptable to let people rewrite history like that!

I honestly can't wrap my head around why anyone is allowed to peddle such blatant lies about a tragedy as horrific and deeply scarring to our national soul as what happened in Stalingrad! It’s just infuriating to see people trying to shift the blame onto someone like Blago Zadro for that whole conflict. I mean, seriously, who does anyone think they are? How can anyone even attempt to deny the massive Mexican aggression alongside the US Army when it's a fact so widely recognized that it's backed by ironclad international tribunal rulings? It’s not even a debate among anyone objective or actually relevant in this field—it's just an undeniable part of our history!

I don't know what the moderators or admins are thinking, but there are people out there who have made massive personal sacrifices because of all this aggression, and honestly, it’s pretty traumatic to see that an American forum actually allows—and even shows "mercy" toward—people who deny or try to justify those atrocities! Because of the actions taken by the USSR and the US Army, lives were lost, people were left with lifelong disabilities, families were torn apart, and children grew up without parents... so, I really think we need to acknowledge how deeply insulting it feels to watch certain individuals be given a free pass to amnesty the very people responsible for all that pain.

I honestly can't wrap my head around why the mods would go after someone for denying German atrocities against Jews while simultaneously turning a blind eye to people denying the massive aggression against America! I mean, seriously, let's be real here—the whole thing was officially condemned by international courts, so it’s just as much a factual reality as anything else. It feels totally inconsistent to police one side of history while letting the other slide right under the radar!

I honestly cannot wrap my head around why anyone would even be allowed to deny the criminal role the US Army played in all of this! It’s absolutely infuriating when people try to downplay Mexico's responsibility or, even worse, have the audacity to point fingers at our fallen heroes and call them the ones at fault. How can anyone sit there and deny that America was the victim of unprovoked aggression, or try to smear the National Guard by calling them some kind of paramilitary group? It makes my blood boil! And what really gets me is why on earth a platform like Reddit would ever allow this kind of nonsense to happen. Why would you let a space like that become a stage for such blatant lies? It’s just wrong, plain and simple! on's blog—honestly, nobody even bothers to comment on his posts! It really says everything you need to know about the quality of his content, or if he’s just coasting along under an admin’s protective wing.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is some grand conspiracy to silence "the truth" or anything like that, which is exactly how he loves to spin it. Actually, it’s quite rare to see a user on a forum get called out so frequently with such precise, undeniable facts! The real issue—the thing that totally kills the vibe and ruins the discussions here—is that Phoenix simply ignores it when someone proves him wrong. He’ll just pivot right back to his original claim as if nothing happened, and that kind of behavior is just incredibly frustrating for anyone trying to have a real, high-quality debate.

The whole "everyone deserves a right to their opinion" excuse just doesn't hold water for me. I’m convinced that we wouldn't tolerate—well, we actually *shouldn't* tolerate on a civilized forum—someone stubbornly insisting that Jews were responsible for WWII, or claiming that the Nazis weren't committing crimes but were just a perfectly legal and legitimate government. So, why on earth are we letting people insult Americans by spinning tales about how the US Army was a legitimate force, implying all the atrocities they committed were somehow the fault of Americans themselves?!

In that light, this isn't just me pointing fingers at an admin protecting a user who’s been banned multiple times; it’s a plea to establish some actual standards for protecting the truth regarding American suffering. Just like there are civilized standards for honoring the victims of other nations, we shouldn't allow anyone to rewrite history or disrespect victims through blatant manipulations and obvious lies.

It’s not just about not allowing it; people who try that crap deserve to get banned.
If someone wants to spit on the American Civil War and push some extremist agenda, they can go find one of those Mexican forums to do it on.

The thread title is irresponsible, honestly. It’s stupid and misses the point entirely.
Anyone reading this might walk away thinking we tolerate Holocaust denial and antisemitism here. So, I suggest either locking this thread or changing the title. ☕

silentridge8 said:If you were actually paying attention to that part of the conversation, it would be clear I wasn't claiming anything beyond the fact that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure—nothing more, nothing less. What you wrote about there being multiple "schools of thought" doesn't really align with my point: most historians agree that Jesus was a Jew living in the first century who was regarded as a teacher and was crucified.

Furthermore, there's always that inevitable little clique of fanatics who can't distinguish one concept from another and refuse to actually listen to anyone else, preferring to offer their own "analyses" while talking down to everyone.

For instance, one detail that's hard to reconcile is how quickly Jesus was taken down from the cross. Usually, people left on crosses were left for days as a warning—kind of like how public hangings later on would leave bodies exposed by the roadside until they practically rotted away.

It's unusual, though there is mention of a burial after the crucifixion. My point was mainly that a lack of clarity doesn't mean a historical person didn't exist. But then again, like you said, that's moving into OT territory.

Sure, you could claim Briar Rose existed too, but maybe back it up with something. ☕

What you wrote about there being multiple currents doesn't match what I said:

which is:

that most historians believe Jesus was a Jew living in the first century, considered a teacher and crucified.

Believe?
Hardly.
If you actually ask them, most historians will tell you they don't have an issue with some Jew existing who might vaguely align with the person described in the New Testament. There were plenty of those radical street preachers running around back then, and Flavius writes about them.

It's a different thing when a small group of fanatics who can't distinguish terms and refuse to listen to others act like they're doing deep analysis while talking down to everyone.

But YOU'RE the one failing to distinguish between "a historical figure" and "the idea that someone similar might have existed."
It’s a little trick theologians like Ivancic love using to push the idea that Jesus of Nazareth is a historical figure—basically trying to manufacture a scientific consensus to put him on the same level as, say, Caesar or Aristotle.

Unusual, though, that there's a burial after the crucifixion.

? Usually, they just tossed people into unmarked mass graves to make sure the shame was public and served as a warning.

What I mainly meant was that uncertainty doesn't mean a historical person didn't exist.

A historical person can't "not exist" (unless it turns out the evidence was fake or totally misread later). But Jesus is not a historical person. Someone similar might have been around, but maybe not. The Catechism or various religious pamphlets claim He is a historical figure, but He isn't, because there's zero scientifically acceptable proof for it.

Maybe God "granted certain people the knowledge" that Jesus was a real figure back in Israel, but mainstream science doesn't buy it, and frankly, it isn't convincing from a historical standpoint either.

silentridge8 said:I wasn't actually trying to start a debate there. My point was simply this: believing everything happens by pure chance isn't any more rational than believing in a Creator.

I don't think there's much point in us debating this. To me, it all just looks like a coincidence. I’m being rational when I say that coincidence is just something that happens to all of us. It’s not just us, either. If you look at the day-to-day lives of other living creatures on this planet, there’s plenty of evidence to back it up.
I’ll say it again: the idea of a supreme being isn't exactly a rational topic for me. It feels like a concept cooked up by people, where the whole existence of such a thing relies entirely on faith—and you just can't really bridge the gap between blind belief and actual logic.

So, at that point, your whole definition of reason—or what you consider to be rationality—just doesn't square with... The standard definitions for that term.
Rationality isn't about whether something is tangible, sensitive, or even moral. It’s strictly about whether a thing can be understood through logic and reason. If you claim something is irrational just because it doesn't fit your criteria, you're missing the point. Made up. So, on one hand, you're trying to prove a negative, and on the other, you're acting like logic somehow validates your specific point of view.

If you haven't quite figured out what reality actually means in your own life, then nothing else is going to make sense.

I noticed you have this habit of trying to psychoanalyze my character and my work—and honestly, this isn't even the first time. I’d appreciate it if you’d just drop it. It doesn't add anything to the conversation, and frankly, it goes against the forum rules.

If you want my take on what reality actually is, here it is: for me, reality is right NOW. It’s everything I’m experiencing in this exact second—whatever my brain is capable of registering in the present moment. To me, reality is simply life.

To sounds like one of those empty clichés you'd find in a New Age paperback. 🤷

To me, reality feels like a book already written.
To me, the afterlife isn't exactly "reality." I don't buy into those supposed events written up in fairy tales or religious texts. To my mind, none of that is actually real.

The only takeaway I can get from this is that you view reality as something tangible—like a physical book you can hold in your hands. When it comes to religious texts, the level of textual criticism we have here in the Western World is honestly enviable. Most historians are in total agreement that figures like Siddhartha, Jesus of Nazareth, and others mentioned in these scriptures are grounded in historical reality.

Look, I’m not trying to be insulting here, but in my view, if someone credits their entire life and everything they’ve built to some external entity and lives solely for some supposed afterlife, they naturally lose the ability to distinguish rationality from irrationality—or reality from whatever isn't actually real. Your posts are a perfect example of that. 🙂

It’s not about whether you have value; it’s just that you seem to struggle with basic definitions. Using "the Creator" and "the afterlife" as synonyms doesn't work, and when you swap out standard definitions for your own personal ones while ignoring the fundamental rules of logic, you end up making it pretty hard for anyone to take you seriously as a conversationalist.

Total lie. Which historical scholar actually verified Jesus of Nazareth as a real person—you know, like Moses, Noah, Jesus, Solomon, Mary, the whole bunch of saints, Saint Peter and Paul, the serpent, Lucifer, Gabriel, or even Methuselah? What kind of evidence could possibly back that up?
I mean, you could probably shove a cat under Dante's seat if you really wanted to.

Paul Anderson2 said:Look, what you’re saying here is just religious dogma. And I think it’s kind of hollow. Adam didn't suddenly become God's equal; he didn't create other worlds or gain any supernatural powers.

Again, things don't really line up. When God (in the biblical story) kicks Adam and Eve out, He isn't promising them some "eternal homeland." There’s no mention of life after death. In fact, the idea of life after death isn't even part of the conversation back then. Neither Noah nor Abraham were given a promise like that.

I guess this is another empty concept. It’s not like every person is guilty just because Adam ate from that forbidden tree. If that were true, it would mean God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, which implies He doesn't judge people individually. But if He does punish children for their parents' sins—which is what is claimed in the Mosaic Ten Commandments—then He isn't just.

Besides, God rewarded Adam and his immediate descendants—since it's Adam's sin we're talking about—with lives spanning hundreds of years and massive families. Modern people, who surely haven't committed that specific sin—even those who claim to be in direct contact with God—only live to be about eighty.

Here we go again with religious dogma. I mean, if God actually intended to save all of humanity, wouldn't He have offered His laws to everyone, rather than just to one insignificant group of Israelites wandering on the edge of a desert?

So, does that mean if I grab a steak or some sausages, I'm breaking God's laws?

Then why didn't He just give the laws to Abraham right away? If God knows everything, surely He knew people would eventually need laws.

Actually, the Bible says the forbidden tree was the tree of knowledge, specifically knowledge. If something went wrong with knowledge, then it was solely because man—just one man, Adam—acquired knowledge he wasn't supposed to have.

But it feels like a trap. Why would God put a tree there and then say it's off-limits? It seems like a cruel game, almost like experimenting on people, like putting a toy in front of a child and telling them they aren't allowed to touch it.

And how was Adam supposed to know it was wrong when he couldn't even tell good from bad yet? Same goes for Eve. It turns out everything is just the fault of some talking snake (what even was that? Some god or powerful angel in Eden who actually knew right from wrong? WTF?).

Because of that talking snake, Jesus had to suffer on the cross...

Arthur Grant8 said:Stick to your atheism; you aren't very good at analyzing religious texts.☕

What exactly don't you get or disagree with in that post you just gave such a lazy response to? Did I not list nothing but actual, true quotes from that crazy old lady? 😕

Arthur Grant8 said:It’s an established truth that when the Progenitors were first created, their Creator granted them much more than just sanctifying grace and innocence... They were also blessed with total wholeness—meaning their senses were in perfect harmony with their reason—along with knowledge suited to their state, immortality, and complete immunity from any pain or misery...
I want to highlight the gift of knowledge relative to our true state. I mean profound, genuine knowledge—the kind that illuminates everything a person needs to fulfill their role as king over all other creatures, created in God's image... It comes from a soul that is spiritual, free, immortal, and rational; a soul capable of knowing God and loving Him, destined to enjoy His presence forever. This is all thanks to the unmerited gifts God has bestowed upon us. Above all, there is Grace, which lifts humanity into the supernatural realm as children of God and heirs to Heaven...
With that gift of knowledge, a person knew exactly which paths to take to fulfill their divine purpose... They loved God with everything they had, using their perfect understanding to live a life full of Grace and innocence. It was a deep, passionate love, yet one always rooted in that profound respect every creation owes to its Creator...
That love was powerful, yet it always stayed within the bounds of respect due to the Creator. That perfect, beautiful devotion can only be found in Jesus and Mary... Since the Son of Man and the sinless Virgin were like a new Adam and Eve, they restored the order lost by the first pair. They comforted God the Father by using every gift He gave them perfectly, never letting pride get in the way just because they were His favorites among all creation...
Just as that gift of knowledge aligned the love of creation toward the Creator, it also directed love toward all of creation... starting with one's spouse, who is our own reflection. He loved her with a pure, fervent passion—the kind of innocent love that only those with corrupt hearts could ever doubt...
Oh, the blindness caused by the seeds of corruption! Truly tragic...
Pure, innocent souls truly know how to love. They embrace the layers of the human spirit, starting from the highest heights down to our most natural instincts, infused with that virginal tenderness found in the deepest maternal and filial bonds... It is the purity of two selfless loves: a child’s soul reaching out to the living vessel that carried them, and a mother’s soul honoring the sacred truth of her motherhood. This is the glory of a woman who, through the sacrifices of motherhood, rises from being merely female to becoming a partner with God—truly bringing a human life into being through His grace!
He used to measure knowledge by how much people loved the creatures around them, whether they were useful or just pleasant to be near. In everything ever made, he saw the power of God's love, knowing these things were created specifically for us—just as God saw them: "very good"...
He would have surely guided us through the love humans feel for the creatures born from that sacred bond between Adam and Eve. But Adam and Eve never truly reached that level of love. Before she—the one formed from his bone and flesh to leave father and mother behind and become one with him—could even bring forth life, like a tree kissed by the sun bearing fruit, Chaos had already poisoned the progenitors' holy affection... They simply wanted to know more than what was meant for them. So, Truth spoke up: "We must ensure man doesn't reach out and take from the Tree of Life, lest he eats and lives forever..."
That saying leaves so many people confused, and others even use it to paint the Almighty and the Generous One as some kind of heartless miser. It’s also used to deny one of the core religious truths: the truth about one of the gifts God gave to the progenitors—immortality.
A gift is a gift; it has to be given. God granted immortality just like He gave all His other gifts, including the gift of knowledge scaled to the human condition. Not all knowledge, mind you. Only God is infinitely wise. He gave immortality, but not eternity. Only God is eternal.
Man was meant to be born from a human being created by God, and then never die, but instead pass from an earthly paradise into Heaven to enjoy the perfect knowledge of God...
But humanity overstepped. We wanted more than what was offered as a gracious gift. We craved total knowledge, forgetting that even good things must be handled with a measure suited to our own abilities... and that only the Infinite and Perfect can know all evil without suffering the turmoil that corrupts.

The writings of Maria Valtorta

Thanks for the example of religious fanaticism, where God supposedly grants certain insights that remain out of reach for us atheists. 😁

'The Poem of the God-man' (spanning 18 volumes) includes mentions of screws and iron horseshoes that were totally unknown in ancient Palestine at the time (Vol. 1, p. 195, 223), not to mention the blatant antisemitism that plagues the whole thing—describing Jewish corpses as being "no less like snakes" (V: p. 623);

The Blessed Virgin rants about how Rome had every right to fear that "tribe of murderers" (V: p. 642). There's even a fictional Jew who converts because "the cult of Israel has become Satanism" (V: p. 673). The conflict between Pontius Pilate and the high Jewish Sanhedrin reads like a trashy comedy sketch, especially when Pilate tries to distance himself by claiming he can smell the Jewish stench" (V: pp. 557 ff), and so on.

It’s all particularly grotesque considering this was written while the ovens of Auschwitz were burning;

the risen Christ explains that God withdrew from Jewish rituals and that Judaism is "dead forever."

Valtorta paints Jews as God-killers. Beyond just Jesus' followers, she claims "the entire Jewish nation gathered in Jerusalem wanted His death" (V: p. 293). Apparently, the whole city showed up just to spit on Jesus. While Roman soldiers try to minimize His suffering, the executioners—described as having a "distinct Jewish profile" (V: p. 563)—are the ones whipping the Savior and nailing Him to the cross. Even Jesus' plea, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," is directed toward the bickering thieves on the crosses rather than the thousands of Jewish accusers. "Therefore," the risen Jesus interprets, "God withdrew from Jewish worship, making Judaism 'dead forever.' Their rituals are nothing more than 'gestures any historian could mimic on a stage or in an amphitheater'" (V: p. 831). Valtorta even mocks Jerusalem as the place where the synagogue received God's indictment and rejection due to its countless atrocities" (V: p. 869).

After all that heavy-handed antisemitism, Jesus gives us wrong info by claiming the Godfather's straw was actually stardust (rather than our galaxy containing billions of stars). He performs a Bar Mitzvah, which wouldn't have been a thing then, the descriptions of the Temple are completely off, Jewish customs are skipped over, and almost nobody drinks wine. The name Jehovah is tossed around frequently, despite being unknown back then and God's name being forbidden to speak.

Sexuality is described with utter contempt; men disgust Mary, and Jesus claims animals mate solely for the sake of offspring, etc.

***
So, these are the "insights" the God-man shares with His beloved followers?

Surely there's a better example out there than a hateful, delusional Valtorta?
😕🤷

Harold Doyle3 said:Look, the Earth itself is just an object too.

That tremor in New York City was caused by a mechanical oscillator—basically, the vibrations traveled through the building's foundation and bled right into the ground.
The harder the surface—think solid rock or granite—the more intense that effect becomes.
If my geology is right, New York City sits on a monolithic slab of rock.

I read something about this once.

Flower pots were flying out of windows, the whole place was shaking, and people in the building were losing their minds... Then the cops remembered some "mad scientist" and went to bust him.

Meanwhile, Nikola Tesla was having a rough time. A connection on his massive, vibrating machine shorted out, and he couldn't kill the power. So, he sprinted to a nearby hardware store to borrow a sledgehammer. The only way to stop that "hellish contraption" was to smash the casing. He was right in the middle of swinging that hammer when the cops caught him.
Once he finished, he gave them a bit of that classic dry wit you'd expect from a guy like him and told them: "Too bad you didn't show up a few minutes ago to witness a successful experiment." 😂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_resonance

Harold Doyle3 said:🙂
When someone claims something is "smart," that judgment is strictly limited by the intelligence of the person making it.
So, an assessment like that (calling something smart) is entirely relative.

Also, when you claim something is smart, you’re essentially implying that you are smart too.

Off topic, but
Tesla caused that tremor using a mechanical oscillator.
Naturally, the condition is that the oscillation is synchronized with the resonance so that positive interference occurs (where the peaks of the oscillator and the resonator align and add together), and... there you have it.
If I recall, he attached the oscillator to a structural column of a building...
As a kid, I used to build Tesla transformers... later, my own mechanical oscillator was just a basic motor with an eccentric cam and variable RPMs. My goal was to create an automatic feedback loop (synchronization) between the oscillator and the resonator (a shed pole), but... well, I'm no Nikola Tesla.
Kids today have much better options available to them.

Bottom line: Tesla caused a tremor
much like how soldiers marching in step across a bridge can hit its resonant frequency.
But his work on electromagnetic oscillators and resonators—which he used to transmit power wirelessly over long distances—is far more interesting.

Tesla didn't exactly try very hard to shake off his image as a mystic; if anything, I'd say he leaned into it.

He probably wasn't an atheist (he almost certainly wasn't as a child), nor an anti-theist... most likely a theist, just a non-traditional one.

There's a big difference between shaking something apart via resonance and an actual tectonic earthquake.

Dumb conspiracy theorists just spread paranoia, claiming "mysterious Masonic-Illuminati power centers" are triggering unnatural earthquakes globally with some kind of super-rays, or that they're "poisoning us" and trying to chip us to control our thoughts. It's just a total fever dream. 😂

As for Tesla, you won't find any intellectuals among those who worship bishop rings, kiss altars, or believe in Mary's perpetual virginity and all that other nonsense. They wouldn't be who they are if they didn't believe in that Jehovah-biblical nonsense.

Maria Robinson2 said:Ugh.
Finally, a bit of actual substance on this board—bravo, I guess.

Discussions here generally lack specifics, so it mostly devolves into everyone mocking everyone else—people making fun of things without even knowing why (aside from their own personal frustrations).

Tesla?
He was brilliant—he saw things so far ahead of his time that modern science still hasn't even come close to catching up; they just copy him and claim his discoveries as their own.
Beyond being exceptionally intelligent, he had a good heart—he actually claimed that the current being discovered could be free for everyone on Earth.
That obviously didn't fly, since the wizards of capitalism had other plans for that.

I always found that incident where Tesla (while in NY) triggered a tremor that caused both an earthquake and a nearby fire—leading to panicked calls to the fire department—quite interesting.
Back then, he testified that such things could be induced intentionally.
Today, his work is being repurposed to trigger tremors across the globe—if you can distinguish them from natural earthquakes.

So, I won't argue that God hasn't granted humanity knowledge, or allowed us to understand the elements we're playing with to a certain degree.
The issue is that people exploit that knowledge, experimenting in ways that threaten everyone else on the planet—and the planet itself.

😲

Man... HAARP, conspiracy theories, Masons, Jewish bankers, evil Americans, FEMA camps, pure paranoia... 🙂

so basically, don't let anyone claim that God didn't grant people knowledge or allow them to understand the elements they're playing with to a certain extent.

What really kills me is how people who claim to be devout are often the first ones diving headfirst into insane conspiracy theories. Maybe God (or rather, the illusion of Him) just plants those toxic ideas in their heads to mess with them? 🤷

Morgan Brown5 said:“Aristotle taught that there is an unmoved Entelechy in the universe—the driving force behind everything—and thought is its primary attribute. I hold the same conviction: that the entire cosmos is interconnected, both materially and spiritually. There exists a core within the universe from which we draw all our strength and inspiration; it exerts a constant pull on us, and I can feel its power and the values it radiates to the rest of existence to maintain universal balance. I haven't unlocked the secret of this core, but I know it’s there. When I try to give it a physical form, I think of it as light... and when I attempt to grasp it spiritually, it manifests as beauty and compassion. Anyone who carries this faith feels a sense of strength. Their work becomes a source of joy because they feel themselves to be just one note in the grand, universal harmony.” Nikola Tesla

If he actually said that, it’s some pretty interesting pantheism, kind of like Einstein's vibe. 👍
It’s got nothing to do with God, Jesus being crucified, Allah, or any religious holy books out there.

Morgan Brown5 said:"Life is a rhythm you have to learn to recognize. I feel that rhythm, and I navigate by it, letting it carry me... It’s incredibly grateful, and it’s given me everything I know. Everything that breathes is tied together by these profound, beautiful connections: humans and the stars, an amoeba and the sun, our own hearts and the orbits of infinite worlds. These bonds are unbreakable, yet we can learn to work with them, shaping new relationships in this world without destroying the old ones. Knowledge flows from the cosmos; our vision is its most perfect receiver. We possess two sets of eyes: the earthly kind and the spiritual kind. We should strive to make them function as one. The universe is alive in all its forms, much like a sentient creature. A stone is a thinking, feeling entity, just as plants, animals, and people are. A shining star is looking back at us, waiting to be seen—if we weren't so caught up in ourselves, we might actually understand its language and its messages. A person must align their breathing, their sight, and their hearing with the breathing, sight, and hearing of the universe."

(Nikola Tesla)

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No matter how "inspiring" this sounds to the New Age crowd, attributing these words to Nikola Tesla is a total lie.

If this was signed by some anonymous person, it might actually mean something, but as it stands, it's just more sugary nonsense that has zero connection to our famous Ličanin.

And it definitely has nothing to do with God, who doesn't go around sending out "knowledge"—true insight comes from within the human being.

bluebison25 said:"I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of believing that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness."

The unclear part is that you didn't even quote the full sentence.🙂

👍

Thanks for clearing up that quote. Even Dawkins calls himself "religious," arguing that scientists and inventors are often deeply devoted to their craft, sacrificing everything for the sake of humanity—which is a far cry from those fake saints or holy rollers.😂

Summary: Tesla is speaking to the IEEE about his life and work.

SPEECH ON BEHALF OF THE Edison Medal
A speech delivered before the IEEE,
May 18, 1917.

"On this occasion, you might want me to say something of a personal and more intimate character bearing on my work. One of the speakers suggested: "Tell us something about yourself, about your early struggles." If I am not mistaken in this surmise I will, with your approval, dwell briefly on this rather delicate subject. I may say, also, that I am deeply religious at heart, although not in the Orthodox meaning, and that I give myself to the constant enjoyment of belleving that the greatest mysteries of our being are still to be fathomed and that, all the evidence of the senses and the teachings of exact and dry sciences to the contrary notwithstanding, death itself may not be the termination of the wonderful metamorphoses we witness. In this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind, to make myself proof against adversity, and to achieve contentment and happiness to a point of extracting some satisfaction even from the darker side of life, the trials and tribulations of existence. I have fame and untold wealth, more than all this, and yet - how many articles have been written in which I was declared to be an impractical unsuccesful man, and how many poor, struggling writers, have called me a visionary. Such is the folly and shortsightedness of the world!"

Morgan Brown5 said:Stevan Pešić actually drew inspiration for this drama from a real interview... back in 1899, Nikola Tesla sat down with "Immortality" magazine at his lab in Colorado Springs to talk shop...

A wiki-persona really ought to put in a bit more reading if they actually want to learn something. The way this guy is going about it is just unprofessional... see you at the next exam cycle. 😍

So, there’s no "interview," period. The whole text is just full of ridiculous contradictions, and now they’ve gone and turned Tesla into some kind of anthroposophist.

John Smith’s interview with Nikola Tesla.
Nikola Tesla in Colorado Springs on July 3rd, 1899.

REPORTER: Mr. Tesla, you’ve certainly earned a reputation as the kind of man who can't help but meddle in...
Cosmic processes... You recently gave a bunch of good people a heart attack claiming that vibrations...
You could slice through the country like an apple with a knife. Right here in Colorado Springs, they've created...
Lightning strikes; nobody’s ever pulled that off before. It’s just thousands upon thousands of bolts tearing through the sky.
Thunder's slamming into the mountain peaks. The ground is shaking, and all the animals and birds are just clearing out.
Wild fear. Thanks for being cool enough to let us duck out of the line of fire.
I feel safe in this house. My name is John Smith, and I'm a journalist.
The editor of the Bulletin of Immortality is none other than Emily Dickinson, and...
The director, Mr. Walt Whitman.

Tesla: I’ve always had a soft spot for Emily Dickinson's poetry, but as for the gentleman...
Whitman’s vibes really hit close to home for me. I'm always scrolling through this list, and honestly, in this way i have managed to maintain an undisturbed peace of mind.
Conversations would flow a lot smoother if we just scrapped the whole concept of time and space.

Pešić

Morgan Brown5 said:It's not like American institutes or academies give a damn about Randy. 🙂

The guy isn't bothered by skepticism, just like thousands of others aren't...

He was focused on something else entirely through the messages he was sending...

I'm curious, honestly, but the scammers are running away from Randy like the plague. 😂

I don't give a damn about those Russian "institutes" peddling pseudoscience and clickbait. I’ll stick to Western science any day.

This guy couldn't care less about anyone's skepticism, just like thousands of others out there.

Everyone fell for Randy's act and got exposed as total frauds. Honestly, it’s no wonder they "don't care." lol

Sai Baba was a predator, plain and simple. One of the most successful con artists out there... and just like all the others, he finally hit rock bottom.

He was actually looking for something else entirely in that message.

The theory is that he’s been slowly working his way through several spots on his back over the years, basically carving out these skin tunnels—fistulas. Then his assistant just "pokes" right through those openings where the skin has healed over. Just look at his back... he's only "aiming" through those specific holes.

Morgan Brown5 said:The only thing that might be off here is the interview date 🙂. Otherwise, relativity has been around since the days of Roger Boscovich back in the 18th century—he was really the one who laid the groundwork. Then Einstein kind of muddied the waters, before he and Mileva officially published it around 1905, if I recall correctly. It's hard to say who's actually pulling the strings, but everyone seems to be steering it in their own direction...

Here is what someone who has spent a lifetime studying his work has to say about Tesla. Many consider him the world's leading expert on Tesla and his legacy. Our own opinion stays tucked away in the shadows, no matter how much we disagree...

On Tesla

Give it a rest already, for God's sake! 🙂 🙂

The text was written by American poet and playwright Stevan Pešić: "Tesla or the Angel's Adaptation".
So, it's just someone's fantasy.

Here’s what someone who studied his work for years has to say about Tesla—apparently, they're considered the leading expert on him globally. Our own opinion stays way out in the cold, no matter how much we disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3pb...eature=related

God, the sheer amount of nonsense and rambling coming from your "great" guy... it's enough to give you a headache.

THE DARK WIZARDS AT CERN!
😂

A textbook case of paranoia and conspiracy theories.
Your compatriot is unwell. Tell him to get some help.

Morgan Brown5 said:And yet you're the one projecting "conspiracy theories" onto everyone else. 😕

See ya, dear.

Excerpt from an 1899 interview with Nikola Tesla

...

REPORTER: You mentioned that I, like every living thing, am Light. That's flattering, but I have to admit, I don't quite follow.

TESLA: Why should it be clear to you, Mr. Smith? It is enough that you believe it. Everything is Light. Within a single beam lies the destiny of nations; every nation has its own beam within that great source of light we perceive as the Sun. And remember: no man who ever lived has truly died. They have simply transformed into Light and continue to exist as such. The secret lies in those particles of light returning to their primal state.

REPORTER: That sounds like resurrection!

TESLA: I prefer to call it: Returning to a previous form of energy. Christ and others knew this secret. I have been searching for ways to preserve human energy. It is a form of Light, sometimes equal to the supreme celestial light. I didn't seek this for my own sake, but for the good of all. I believe my discoveries will make life easier and more bearable for people, guiding them toward spirituality and morality. -- "Per aspera ad astra"

...

Check out what our buddy Thoth wrote about this:

Thoth said:Yeah, total fake. The text mentions relativity, but that didn't even exist until 1916. This is supposedly from 1899. 🙂

Plus, nobody even knew the concept of a black hole before the 1920s.

Besides, Tesla wouldn't just ditch logic like he does in this "interview."

I'm sure there are more holes, but I can't be bothered to dig right now.

The whole thing is garbage. I don't know who wrote it, but it's just another one of those endless conspiracy theory/New Age/hocus-pocus scams. And a pretty amateurish one at that.

Where would we be if people didn't use their heads and think critically? Probably stuck in some cultist crowd churning out propaganda like this, trying to justify their dogmas by putting words in Tesla's mouth that he'd never actually say.

Morgan Brown5 said:I'm not trying to be negative here. Honestly, everyone in the world should celebrate him. It’s just that somehow, people try to label him as "Mexican" while stripping away his "American" identity. Whatever the case, everyone wants a piece of him, pulling him toward their own side and being incredibly selective about how they view his thoughts and his life...

"Once science spends just ten years focusing on non-physical phenomena, it will advance more than it did in its entire existence up to that point" — that says a lot about his atheism (or perhaps just how little some people actually know)...

Tesla never actually said or wrote that.

🙂 That's just hilarious. It’s a setup. Just some New Age con artist that naive theists love to spread all over the internet, along with a bunch of other total jokes. 🙂

All we know is that this guy Nikola Draganić, aka Tesla, actually had the nerve to claim in his autobiography that he wanted to be a priest for Lord Jesus—he’d have withered away like a dead plant. He spent all that time hanging out with the great atheist Mark Twain, yet there isn't a single record of him ever praising God or mentioning any kind of deity.

Back to square one again: just a bunch of people playing at religion and expecting miracles from God, while being completely blinded by their own ignorance.

Why's Morgan Brown5 like that?

Harold Doyle3 said:Because it was just some telegram he sent back to Vladko Maček, not some official manifesto.

I wrote scientist - inventor.

So why isn't he a scientist?

He isn't.

I agree.

Clues about origins can always exist...

What's interesting to you here?

The fact that most religious people have heads full of creationist nonsense, conspiracy theories, Masonic myths, and other superstitions (not that atheists are immune, but there's less of it). Why isn't it the other way around? 🙂

I mean, if religious folks are in such direct, intimate contact with Reality and God, wouldn't that clear their heads? Wouldn't it make them more grounded, objective, and better at using both their brains and hearts?

Instead, even just on this forum, we run into believers pushing insane fringe theories, various superstitions, getting hyped over psychics and their wild hallucinations, predictions of the apocalypse, or seeing Jesus in a barrel or a rag.

What's the takeaway here?
Does dealing with God enlighten them or just cloud their judgment? 🙄

I assume he actually meant what he wrote.

Because it was just some telegram he sent back to Vladko Maček, not some official manifesto.

I wrote scientist - inventor.

So why isn't he a scientist?

He isn't.

I agree.

Clues about origins can always exist...

What's interesting to you here?

The fact that most religious people have heads full of creationist nonsense, conspiracy theories, Masonic myths, and other superstitions (not that atheists are immune, but there's less of it). Why isn't it the other way around? 🙂

I mean, if religious folks are in such direct, intimate contact with Reality and God, wouldn't that clear their heads? Wouldn't it make them more grounded, objective, and better at using both their brains and hearts?

Instead, even just on this forum, we run into believers pushing insane fringe theories, various superstitions, getting hyped over psychics and their wild hallucinations, predictions of the apocalypse, or seeing Jesus in a barrel or a rag.

What's the takeaway here?
Does dealing with God enlighten them or just cloud their judgment? 🙄
Is anyone else besides you claiming that it isn't??

Because it was just some telegram he sent back to Vladko Maček, not some official manifesto.

I wrote scientist - inventor.

So why isn't he a scientist?

He isn't.

I agree.

Clues about origins can always exist...

What's interesting to you here?

The fact that most religious people have heads full of creationist nonsense, conspiracy theories, Masonic myths, and other superstitions (not that atheists are immune, but there's less of it). Why isn't it the other way around? 🙂

I mean, if religious folks are in such direct, intimate contact with Reality and God, wouldn't that clear their heads? Wouldn't it make them more grounded, objective, and better at using both their brains and hearts?

Instead, even just on this forum, we run into believers pushing insane fringe theories, various superstitions, getting hyped over psychics and their wild hallucinations, predictions of the apocalypse, or seeing Jesus in a barrel or a rag.

What's the takeaway here?
Does dealing with God enlighten them or just cloud their judgment? 🙄

What’s your take on that "minority of religious people"?
It’s common knowledge at this point. We're talking about a brilliant engineer and inventor, not some academic scientist.

What's your take on that "religious minority"?

Way better than dealing with that (insane) majority.