Gary Patel said:Oh, there is an issue. And it's obvious.
The whole storm brewed because Ariel is played by a white actress, even though we see the exact opposite quite often—white actors playing characters from other ethnic groups—and it's not like white people were making a big deal out of fighting against that.
Whitewashing is still very much a thing in Hollywood.
There is a problem here, but people either aren't aware of their own biases and double standards, or they know they exist but don't want to be labeled as racists or conservatives—so they wrap their opinions in fancy packaging to make them look "safe."
The problem arises when a film made as a remake of an animated classic—something intended for an American audience—is produced primarily by people of American descent and presented as a staple of American culture, yet is led by a character who clearly doesn't fit that cultural mold.
The Little Mermaid is an American animated film made by American animators, American screenwriters, producers, and directors, with American actors providing the voices. It's designed to make money on a global scale.
You don't see Japanese films made in Japan telling Japanese stories with white leads. You don't see that in India, or in Africa, either.
But you *do* see it.
In other words, you see white actors making movies based on other cultures where they play characters who aren't white.
And I'm not talking about old-school Hollywood from the first half of the last century, back when people from other ethnic groups weren't included in big-budget films and it was simply considered "normal" for a white actor to play a Black character or someone else.
I am talking about recent films.
Ghost in the Shell (2017): Scarlett Johansson as Motoko Kusanagi, a character of clearly Asian descent. Almost the entire cast is white. This is based on one of the most famous Japanese manga.
"The Last Airbender [ Avatar ]" (2010) – a film based on an animated film where the characters are of Asian descent or represent Native Americans. Most of the actors are white.
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"A Mighty Heart" (2007) - Angelina Jolie as Mariane Pearl. Jolie is a white woman of American descent, but she played a character (based on a real person) who was of Afro-Cuban descent.
"Argo" (2012) - Ben Affleck as Antonio J. Mendez. Affleck is a white man of American descent, but he played a Mexican. The film Argo won three Oscars: Oscar: Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, and Best Film Editing.
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In "The Lone Ranger" (2013), we have Johnny Depp playing Tonto—a character who is Native American. It’s a bit of a pivot, considering that back in the original 1950s series, the role was played by an actor who was actually Mohawk. Depp, of course, is a white man of European descent.
In the 2014 film *Noah*, we have Russell Crowe playing the title role. The actor himself actually has New Zealander and European roots—not exactly what you'd expect! As for the character, Noah is that biblical figure who definitely hailed from the Middle East.
In "Exodus: Gods and Kings" (2014), we have Christian Bale playing Moses—honestly, it feels like the exact same vibe as Noam. Plus, there’s Joel Edgerton, who is of Australian descent, stepping in to play Ramses, the Egyptian ruler.
Prince of Persia (2010): Jake Gyllenhaal as the Prince of Persia. Jake is of European and Jewish descent—so, he’s playing a character who really should have been Persian (modern-day Iran).
Looking back at *Batman Begins* (2005) and *The Dark Knight Rises* (2012)—Liam Neeson plays Ra's al Ghul, a character who is actually an Arab man.
So, does it really mean that when white actors make movies, it's totally fine to have them play characters of different races—since, hey, it's an American production—but if a Black actor plays a character originally written as white, suddenly it’s "forcing" something or "intruding" on white culture? It feels like a bit of a double standard, doesn't it?
It’s just a matter of perspective—it's all about context. Obviously, America wasn't built solely on European traditions, and honestly, I have zero issues with diverse films coming out of Hollywood—I actually enjoy variety! But forcing Black characters into roles that belong strictly to white culture feels a bit rushed—kind of forced, if you want my two cents.
What exactly is this whole "white culture" thing?
Why can’t Black Americans be fully embraced as an integral part of American and Western culture? It feels like we constantly oversimplify things—we look at someone and immediately label them as "African." In most Western countries, it’s considered blatant racism if you assume someone isn't white is automatically a foreigner—basically pigeonholing them into some non-Western or non-American nation right off the bat.
So, let me get this straight—we're talking about an American man whose ancestors were brought over here during the 18th century? He was born and raised right here in the States—just like countless generations of his family before him (+200 years, to be exact). And yet, he and his family aren't considered part of American culture? Are they really expected to take some ancestry DNA test just to pin down their vague origins so they can claim that as "their" culture? And then—get this—actually make movies based on that? It’s a bit much, isn't it?
Since I was born and raised right here in America, it’s entirely possible that I have roots tracing back to Iran. It's even plausible that my ancestors migrated toward the US centuries ago. Just like an African American has deep ties to Africa, I have those connections to Iran—but does that mean American culture isn't mine? Not at all.
Does this mean that even a thousand years from now in America, Black people—who have been part of the fabric of this continent for much longer than a millennium, or even those in Europe who arrived there long before they arrived here—will never truly be woven into the core of Western culture? Will they always be forced to go looking for "Ethiopian" princesses just to find representation? It’s a strange thought—for instance, if my family had moved to a place like Chicago fifty years ago and I were already a third-generation American, I’d likely feel a stronger claim to the local culture based on my roots—yet, purely because of skin color, I might still be viewed as an outsider compared to someone whose family has been settled there for a century. It's a complicated dynamic, really.
This whole argument about white culture and Ethiopian princesses is flawed on several levels—really. Just because one Black creator on YouTube decided to lean into it doesn't make the logic sound. Now, everyone is jumping on his bandwagon—linking his videos everywhere and saying, "See? Even Black creators are pointing out how nonsensical this is."
Let's be real—it’s clearly a massive uphill battle to produce a film in Hollywood that features an entirely ethnic cast rather than the standard European one. I mean, trying to scout and book over 100 actors who are specifically perfect for one particular race? That’s gotta be incredibly tough to pull off in the studio system—believe me, I know!
Not quite.
It’s funny—does Hollywood actually realize that these kinds of characters don't pull in the same numbers as a full or mostly white cast? I mean, look at *The Princess and the Frog*, *Mulan*, *Pocahontas*, or *Atlantis*—they all underperformed compared to the usual Disney standards for animated films during that era. Just a thought!
Disney tends to use people from other ethnic groups as mere token characters—you know, those types who are just there so nobody can complain about a lack of diversity, even if they don't actually matter much to the plot.
The thing is, Disney isn't avoiding making films with such casts; they could easily do it.
Why on earth would Disney be forced to use an Ethiopian folktale?
Look, I’m a Black man whose family has been in America for centuries. Are you trying to tell me that just because of my skin color, I’ll never truly be considered American? Am I always supposed to go searching for my culture back in Africa?
It’s quite fascinating, really—how we took people as slaves from their homelands, "civilized" them, forcibly made them part of our society, and now that their descendants are causing us headaches, we want to strip away their connection to American culture and essentially say, "Go back to Africa."
A. American and European cultures aren't strictly "white" cultures.
B. Americans and Europeans who aren't white—but whose families have lived on these continents for generations—have just as much right to the culture of these nations as white people do. They are an integral part of that culture; they helped build it (literally and figuratively, since many monuments and buildings, especially here in the US, certainly weren't built by white people alone).
C. I'll say it again: please stop using arguments about Ethiopian princesses or folk tales from Zimbabwe.
Real-life example: Imagine you go to France and meet a guy—he's a French actor and he's Black. His family has been in France for decades, maybe even centuries. Would you look him in the eye and say, "Hey, sorry man, your family has been in France forever, but your culture is actually African. And since I'm a white guy who just arrived in France, my skin color gives me more right to claim French culture as my own than you do. In fact, it’d probably be better to hire me for a movie based on a French fairy tale rather than you."
If non-American cultures want to boycott the movie, let them. I have zero issues with that.
Actually, they do exactly that! If they don't like the film, they boycott it and stay away, and personally, I think that's fine.
There’s an issue there, but people either aren't aware of their own biases and double standards, or they know perfectly well but don't want to be labeled as racists or conservatives, so they wrap their opinions in layers of sugar-coating.
Personally, I am very aware of my own double standards—and I think most people are too. It's just that people aren't willing to get attacked for things that everyone else is doing.
The Little Mermaid is an American animated film made by American animators, American writers, producers, and directors, with an American voice cast. And it's designed to make money on a global scale.
That doesn't change what I said about American culture. In fact, you're actually agreeing with me.
In other words, you see that white people make movies based on other cultures where white actors play characters who weren't originally white.
Exactly, so they're telling a story from one culture through the lens of American culture. Every single culture on this planet does the exact same thing.
Ghost in the Shell (2017): Scarlett Johansson as Motoko Kusanagi, a character clearly of Asian descent. Almost the entire cast is white. This is based on one of the most famous Japanese manga.
Actually, the creator of Ghost in the Shell said the main character is essentially Western—like, an Asian soul placed into a Western body.
But that's secondary, like I said before. If there's a story from a non-American culture that creators want American audiences to watch, they'll pick characters that allow those viewers to relate. That way, we get a non-American story adapted specifically for American culture and viewers.
And again, absolutely every culture does this. The Japanese make stories from European settings with Japanese actors, Indians and Turks make their own versions of Superman, and Africans have their own versions of American action stars. Why is this only considered a problem when it involves Americans?
So, does this mean that when white people make movies where they cast themselves as characters of other races, it’s totally fine and gets the green light? But then, if an African American actor plays a role that was originally written as a white character, suddenly it's seen as "forcing" something or intruding on white culture? It feels like such a weird double standard... you know what I mean? One way is just "art," but the other way is "problematic." It's confusing!
I mean, look, when someone is making a movie specifically about their own culture, they should really have the freedom to do whatever they want with it—as long as they aren't outright lying about historical facts, obviously.
What exactly is this whole "white culture" thing? I mean, I've been sitting here thinking about it, just spiraling down the rabbit hole of how we define everything these days. It's such a heavy topic, right? Like, when people talk about it, what are they actually getting at? Is it about traditions, or is it that whole conversation around movies and how certain roles get cast? You know, like when there's talk about whitewashing in big Hollywood productions... it all feels connected somehow. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the layers of it all. What do you guys think?
European?
Why can't Black people just be seen as a fundamental part of American and European culture? It feels like we constantly oversimplify things—we look at someone and immediately label them as "African." Like, seriously? In most Western countries, it’s considered blatant racism if you assume someone isn't white is automatically a foreigner, or if you instantly pigeonhole them into some non-European or non-American country. It's such a strange, narrow way to view people.
Because they just aren't. I mean, sure, they could totally be part of a modern culture—and honestly, they are when you look at British or French series—but that doesn't work in a European fantasy setting or a historical drama. It just feels off there.
So, get this—we have an American man whose ancestors were brought over here during the 18th century, essentially living through that whole history of slavery. He was born and raised right here in the States, just like countless generations of his family before him for over 200 years. And yet, somehow, he and his entire family aren't considered part of American culture? I mean, what’s the logic there? Are they supposed to go take an ancestry DNA test just to pinpoint some vague origin, find that "culture," and then treat it as their only true identity? Is that the rule now? Like, you can't make movies based on your own life unless you first prove where your roots are through a lab test? It just doesn't add up.
Honestly, I don't think anyone has ever actually criticized the way Black characters are portrayed in slavery-era movies. If anything, people tend to go out of their way to praise them. Like, look at a new movie like Django Unchained—it’s always getting all this massive acclaim.
Look, since I was born and raised right here in America, there’s a chance I could have some Iranian roots tucked away in my family tree. It’s entirely possible that "my" ancestors migrated toward Europe maybe 500 years ago. Honestly, having those links to Iran... it feels similar to how an African American has ties to Africa. But does that actually mean American culture isn't mine? Does it change who I am?
So, does this mean that even a thousand years from now in America, Black people—who have been part of the fabric of the continent for over a millennium, or even those in Europe who arrived way before Black people ever reached America—will never truly be considered an integral part of Western culture? Will they always be stuck searching for some "Ethiopian" princess just to find representation? I mean, think about it... if my family had moved to, say, Chicago fifty years ago, and I was already a third-generation American, wouldn't I likely have a stronger claim to being part of that local culture than someone whose family has been there for a hundred years, simply because of the color of my skin? It’s wild how much identity gets tied up in things that shouldn't matter.
Look, let's be real here—Ariel is part of that classic European fairy tale tradition, just adapted for a younger audience in the States. It doesn't have anything to do with Black or Japanese people. Period.
Look, it's pretty simple: everyone has the right to free speech, and they also have the freedom to just... not watch the movie. If someone isn't feeling a European fantasy starring a Black actress, hey, they don't have to watch it! It's that easy.
That’s just how things work everywhere else in the world, honestly—except for here in the West.
Suddenly, you’re expected to demand that anyone portraying your fantasy vision on screen looks exactly how you imagined them—and if they don't? Well, then people start calling it racism.