Roger Wright94 said:This is a bit of a tangent. I’m not trying to make excuses for the results. I’m talking about potential scenarios for improvement.
The car definitely needs work if they want to be competitive with Red Bull.
Alonso is a great find, and I’m pretty sure nobody else in his position would have delivered better results—not last year, and not this year. That's just my take.
Massa needs (or needed) the best or second-best car on the grid to actually do anything. So, what good is having a driver like that?
I like him as a person, but his string of bad results is just getting too long and has pushed past my limit of tolerance. This business is too expensive to keep putting up with this.
That’s rational, managerial thinking. Sure, it sounds fine in theory.
Personally, I’d prefer a more balanced, competitive lineup—basically, someone closer to Alonso's level. Racing is one of those things where the best person doesn't always win. Often, it comes down to a whole bunch of external factors, both on and off the track.
Well, that’s where my sympathy for Massa ends. I honestly don't see any scenario or set of circumstances where he manages to pull off a win. It seems to be the opposite. No matter the situation, he consistently struggles and loses. Too consistently. Treating it otherwise would just be being pessimistic.
How does Button even win a race?
If Massa stays through 2012, it’ll probably only be because that's what Alonso wants. I wouldn't love it, but he’s earned that kind of treatment.
I agree 👍
stormybadger8 said:That’s all well and good, but I don't see the logic in a team keeping a driver who is this mediocre. Besides, that message can only really be sent once or twice a year. It used to be that Massa had to be told to let Alonso pass when he was being lapped, rather than Massa just letting him by.🤣
I think it’s high time they replaced him with someone better.😳
And as for letting him through in those situations, there are plenty of subtler ways to slot him behind Alonso. It isn't rocket science. 😬
I’m also not sure why the team finds value in such a poor driver, but apparently, Ferrari’s logic is their own little secret. 🤷
I definitely agree it's time to swap him out for someone stronger, but I think Ferrari has some serious issues when it comes to picking a second driver. Their strategy for winning titles is pretty well known—focus entirely on one lead driver, then find a second driver who is good enough to chip in points and protect the leader while playing nice with the team politics. That’s likely why Massa is still there, and I guess he’ll stick around until his contract ends in 2012, but that’s just how I see it.🤷
steelmaker83 said:Alonso was basically lined up to take over when Kubica arrived at Ferrari, but everything fell apart after that disaster...
True, there were even rumors he signed some kind of preliminary deal with Ferrari, though by late last year he mentioned nothing was set in stone—especially since Massa is locked in through 2012. Personally, I’d love to see him in a Ferrari, but pairing him with Alonso probably wouldn't work for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I don't think Kubica is the type to play second fiddle given how talented he is 😁 but we'll just have to wait and see what happens if he ever makes it back to F1 😉