Matthew Young35 said:Why do you think anything would change if someone just wrote new rules from scratch?
It would be the exact same shit.
The same people would still be trolling.
Just a handful of them, whose sole purpose in life is to troll and nothing else.
Until the moderators hand out four or five permanent bans, there won't be a competition that attracts anyone other than a few trolls.
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Yeah... hand out 4 or 5 bans... then we'll have a massive competition with six participants and Matthew Young35 acting as the manager 🙏 assuming he doesn't quit before the season starts... 🙏
Matthew Young35 said:Most people would be incredibly grateful if you actually did shut him up.
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Besides, we might actually have a larger field of competitors.
What we have here isn't a real competition; it's an endless loop of debating the rulebook.
The rules aren't here to facilitate the competition; rather, the competition exists merely as an excuse to argue about the rules.
Some people enjoy that dynamic, but most don't. And that is precisely why the number of participants keeps dwindling.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's my take on it.
What "vast majority" are we talking about here that would be happy to see me silenced? Did you run some poll among the drivers to get those numbers... or are you just trolling?
By the way, the biggest turnout was back in 2010 when Max was leading the championship.
William Bennett53 said:Alternatively, we could just ban MAXYM from the subforum, and I suspect about 90% of all arguments regarding gaming would vanish instantly.
Just kidding, obviously. MAXYM is a helpful and respected member of this community, and I'm glad he's here—but that doesn't mean my fundamental premises are wrong.
Is that 90% figure based on some scientific formula of yours... or are you just trolling?
stormybadger8 said:I've thought about this quite a bit, but I really don't think that's the fix. 🤷
Because even if Max leaves, some other Max will just take his place...
Max isn't the sole culprit here, and honestly, he might not even be the biggest one... he’s mostly just settling the score for everyone who attacked him while he was leading the championship, doing exactly what a good chunk of people are advocating for now.😉
It was total dictatorship—zero respect for anyone else's opinion... and that wasn't working either. Plus, there was always that talk about favoritism toward him and his teammate, and so on...
And I don't recall Max ever budging even a millimeter on his stances or decisions... though he usually argued them pretty damn well.
The real issue lies primarily with the players. Everyone wants things handed to them on a silver platter, but they won't give that same credit to anyone else... because then they lose something, or they just don't like the guy, or blah blah blah...
Some people just live for finding flaws...
Anyway, I'm heading to bed. I'm done with this for today.🙂
When it comes to hunting for loopholes in the general regulations and throwing around accusations about favoritism toward me and my teammate, you were really the one leading the charge on that one...
I highly doubt anyone’s ever going to penalize their own teammate quite the way I just laid down the law with mine.
redheron12 said:Tell me, though—how can I actually help you with any of this? If a permanent ban would make your time on the forum more pleasant...
Looks like redheron12 went totally dark after that one... Hey Matthew Young35, you finally got rid of one of them! If he was part of that group of four or five people you thought actually deserved a permanent ban, then honestly, props to you. Nice work.
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redheron12 said:Accusations of trolling or mindless rule-lawyering are all too often used as an excuse when someone lacks any actual, coherent argument. To me, the "because I'm the host" defense sounds much worse—and nothing is more frustrating than seeing people hide behind moderator authority...
Personally, I find looking for loopholes in the rules to be fun—after all, even in Formula 1, teams constantly push the boundaries of regulations and specs—but it stops being fun when someone tries to force their own agenda through sheer intimidation. Using moderator powers as a hammer is, quite frankly, a form of bullying.
This is actually the whole point of everything...
It’s funny how it works. Whenever someone runs out of actual points to make during an argument, they just pivot and start calling everyone else a troll. It's basically the ultimate white flag.
stormybadger8 said:Well, you've got that wrong.🤣🤣🤣
I know we have three lawyers on this forum😁 they don't hang out here much, but they drop by... two of them even played in all the competitions, as far as I know.😁
The other way is for the Host to write their own set of rules, state their decisions clearly and loudly, back them up with logic, and then refuse to backtrack.
If trolling or arguing starts up, then the moderator can just hand out bans without hesitation...
People can complain all they want afterward, but they chose this Host and these rules themselves; they chose to play.
That's exactly why I'm saying I'll only play if the Host writes their own rules. If we stick to the old ones, I'm out—mostly because of the constant whining and trolling about whether the moderator is biased due to their own results and all that.
But yeah, if I have to ban someone... oh, I definitely will.😍
To be honest, I haven't seen much point in punishing posts like "this is how I thought it meant," or "that's how he intended it," or "this is how we've always done it," because Max wrote those rules... so clearly, nobody can interpret them better than Max, right?
And besides, how is the Host supposed to interpret what Max was thinking when he wrote them? Other players can try to interpret them the same way.
It's ridiculous how many times we've seen nonsense where the Host's decisions are challenged using the logic of what the rule-writer supposedly meant—like, "it says A here but B there," or "why use A instead of B right now?" and so on.
Here’s my take on it:
Max can spend the rest of his life explaining whatever he meant regarding Bjesomar's rule, but for me, the only person who matters when clarifying doubts about that rule is Bjesomar himself.☕
And unfortunately, that same logic works both ways.😬
And even if he actually gives a wise explanation... and then uses that chance to go on a massive trolling spree... if I give him a warning card, it just looks like I'm trying to shut him up, while he plays the poor, innocent guy who's just trying to help explain the rules...
And he’s definitely not the only one pulling that stunt. There are plenty of others... honestly, pretty much everyone involved in those debates ends up doing the same thing eventually.
And why am I the only one you're calling out?
Why aren't you bringing up Dorian and Matthew Young35? Those two absolutely crushed it in these competitions!
I feel like I've been going back and forth with you in pretty much every single thread lately. So, what gives? Are you actually just a troll too?
The truth is actually a little different than what people think... honestly, you could count Max's debates this season on one hand... and even then, some of them weren't even real debates to begin with.
So, in the championship, I put up
2 posts sharing my take on Mom's predictions during round one. Honestly, if I stuck strictly to my own opinion, I would've lost a point myself, but I’ve always cared more about keeping the competition fair than padding my own stats—something some people here clearly don't get. In the end, they decided his prediction wouldn't count, and I didn't say another word about it.
Then I wrote
2 posts regarding Spidey, and once again, the manager made a call that went totally against what I thought was right, but again, I kept my mouth shut.
After that, I
sent you a PM saying that Jason Campbell70 should definitely get his points credited, even if it meant one of my direct title rivals gained ground. I didn't push it any further.
And now we have this situation with Terry Carter2, where I laid out a solid argument as to why the results are inconsistent, yet the manager is still refusing to fix the errors.
If we're looking at everything else too...
In the Super League, I was going back and forth with you about the fill-in list and pointed out some mistakes you made... is pointing out a manager's errors considered trolling now? Does that mean you're trolling other tournaments whenever you correct Mom's mistakes?
And then there was that heated debate during the first tournament—it was me and Mom on one side, and you, Dorian, and Paški on the other. During all that, Dorian kept claiming our side was trolling, only for Pangloss to step in at your suggestion with a neutral explanation that was actually identical to mine. So, who was really the troll there? Which side?
Seriously, take a closer look at who's actually trolling in these files... just watch what Dorian does... the constant mocking, the provocations, starting pointless arguments, just trying to stir the pot... lately, he's been targeting Mom more than anyone else. Is it not trolling when Dorian systematically messes with Mom during the championships, in the chat, and over general Formula 1 topics? A little banter is fine, but what he's doing has crossed the line of good taste a long time ago.
I'm the least of anyone's problems on this thread; honestly, I'm practically becoming a weekend-only forum user. You guys will realize I wasn't the issue once I leave, because the trolling will keep happening, and it'll be done by the exact same people currently accusing me of being a troll...
And hey... there's an "ignore" button for anyone who doesn't like what I have to say. Usually, I'm just telling the truth, but I guess that's what hits a nerve for some of you...