Posts by Edward Howard2

Sergio Perez - Fernando Alonso
Bruno Senna - Daniel Ricciardo
Michael Schumacher - Lewis Hamilton
Kimi Räikkönen - Kamui Kobayashi
Nico Hulkenberg - Pastor Maldonado

stormybadger8 said:Who didn't complain?🤣
Gilbert was complaining, loud and clear, the whole time. He almost quit the Super League entirely because of it.
If I remember right, Paški & Ferk🤣 were also throwing fits way back in the season before last.😁
Rosie was complaining too, if memory serves, along with a few other guys.

Bottom line: I don't recall anyone actually wanting the team champions moved down the list, aside from your own teammates.😛

Anyway, here's the first person who absolutely doesn't need this, and I have zero intention of playing the Super League based on some teammate's merits.😁

Yeah... you went ahead and put that list together exactly how Gilbert wanted it, only for him to decide he wasn't even interested in playing in the end. 🤣🤣
I don't recall seeing Paški & Ferk Buniti just the other day... send me a link... anyone else?
Look, there’s another red flag you might want to consider regarding things going sideways in the ESPN F1 Super League 2012. If you look at the last two years, they kicked off the season with the top eight heavy hitters on the grid. But this season? Not a single one of the top eight is even in the mix, and now the first reserve is refusing to step up. It’s getting messy. Honestly, if this keeps up, next year is probably going to be an absolute train wreck. But hey, feel free to keep digging your heels in and insisting you're right. 😉

stormybadger8 said:What can I even say? Six of this year's super league players voted for a list that doesn't even have the team champions at the top, yet somehow you're the only one pushing back🤷

Besides, plenty of people have been complaining about this for ages.
Once this poll wraps up and you put together a proposed list—if you actually have one—then we'll vote on it:

Your new guy
The old guy
My guy
And maybe whoever else pops up.

Like I said, changing it isn't exactly rocket science after the first race. At least, I don't see it being a big deal.

They only voted because there was just one rule proposal to pick from, and honestly, because you were sliding into their DMs asking them to vote... otherwise, you wouldn't even have half these votes...
Most people don't even care where the team champions end up... which we saw when I was putting lists together and placing the team champions in the top 8, and nobody besides you said a word... and I built that list after thinking it through seriously while I was basically the reigning champ of almost everything and running the whole show, so I wasn't playing favorites. Meanwhile, you're over here claiming you threw your list together last minute and it might not even be that great... 🤣

stormybadger8 said:Look, you might as well just kill him now before the big explosion hits in two years. Nobody actually remembers who the super league runner-up was, let alone who the champion's teammate was.

Alright, here's what I can recall off the top of my head:
2010 season

Trophy:
ruggedfox28
stormybadger8😍
Jessica Ramos12

Championship:
Jessica Ramos12
Max
stormybadger8😍

Constructors:
Kamikaze GP 😬

Super league
Edward Howard2
Jessica Ramos12 🤔
???
stormybadger8

2nd tournament
Gilberth 🙂
stormybadger8

Who was Jessica Ramos12's teammate in the championship? Honestly, I have zero clue.
And for the record, I don't even know where they finished.🤷

The way I see it, we all have selective memory. We remember our own wins and maybe some stuff from our closest rivals, but for everything else? We're totally clueless.
For the 1st tournament, I haven't got the slightest idea who even made the podium, mostly because I wasn't anywhere near it.🤣

2009 season—all I remember is being on the same team as Sep, everything else is a total blank.😳

Just because someone is the teammate of a champion doesn't mean they're a team champion... like, just recently Jessica Ramos grabbed an individual title but didn't win the team one...
A champion is a champion... plain and simple. You could argue for dropping the team runners-up and third-place finishers from the list, and maybe that would make more sense... but when it comes to champions, they earned their spot in the super league, so they should stay. And both deserve it, because one player can't win a team title alone if their teammate scores zero points.
The top eight should be the champions—that's why the super league was even started. As for their specific ranking or the people sitting from ninth place downwards... you could debate that forever and change the list every single year, which is what happens, though I don't really see the point. We've had two seasons of the super league now, both were pretty fun and didn't have major issues. In fact, the super league has been the most stable of the three big competitions. I don't get why people are pushing for these changes when there's no need for them. Honestly, I'm convinced these tweaks will do more to break the super league next year than actually improve the competition...

stormybadger8 said:Just like always, unfortunately.😢
Maybe we should wait until the middle of the season to start arguing about next year's rules.🤷
It's pretty obvious that this just doesn't work during the off-season.

Look, someone's gotta do it.🤷
There isn't even a host, really. If I said the hosts were making the calls, it would basically mean I'm the one deciding everything—and honestly, I just don't want that kind of responsibility.
And again, letting everyone argue over every single decision by topic... honestly, it’s just pointless.
Expecting every single player to vote on every little thing that pops up or to weigh in on every major decision is just an illusion. It's unrealistic.
Even when it comes to debating the rules—which, let's be honest, barely happens anyway—you’d think everyone would suddenly find their voice the second a decision actually gets made.

Quote : The Best F1 driver

Look, this list isn't exactly perfect since I whipped it up on the fly, but honestly, it’s not like it’s too late to debate it or fix things if I need to.
It’s a little stupid to be doing this after the season has already kicked off, but I guess it's not impossible. There isn't really any massive impact on the current season anyway—at least not until we hit the halfway point.

Honestly, I think that whole thing about the team championship—especially when it’s a lesser one—is just a bad call. He shouldn't even be on the list. Even if he is, there's absolutely no way he should be ranked high up there.
It just doesn't make any sense to have someone playing in the Super League when their individual results are theoretically garbage.
Look, I think it would be pretty ridiculous if I theoretically jumped into the Superleague 2013 just because you won the championship. I finished 10th, yet here I am—the "champion" (if you can even call me that) getting a spot to race, despite not winning a single other thing in any competition.
Honestly, that would be pretty stupid. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to play it, but it’d feel totally lame considering everyone else has pulled off way better results than I have.🤷

The only thing I can think of regarding these team champions/runners-up on the list—if we're talking about making sense of things (looking at the old list)
is that a team championship should only count if that champion also managed to snag at least one decent result from a teammate (better or worse) on this same list. If they’re the only ones who did anything, then just wipe them off the list entirely. 🤷

Because if they couldn't manage to pull off even something like this:
21. a top four finish in a major Formula 1 tournament
22. a top four finish in a minor Formula 1 tournament
23. third place in the precise positioning trophy
24. fifth place in the Formula 1 championship

then I honestly have no clue why a team champion (better or worse) would get to play the Super league, while someone like a tournament finalist or a runner-up from the championship or Superleague wouldn't deserve it.

You can't look at it that way... just by using a single numerical criterion...
Even if we set aside the fact that the SL was founded as a league specifically for champions, I used several other parameters when putting this list together, and one of them is the significance of the result... and the truth is, being a team champion is a more significant result than being any runner-up, simply because they won.
If you asked ten competitors who the runner-up was in last year's second tournament or last year's championship, at least 7 or 8 of them probably wouldn't have a clue. Most of them have almost certainly forgotten who the runner-up was for last year's accurate positions trophy or one of the tournaments, maybe even the championship... it's not like they have Alzheimer's or anything... it's just that nobody remembers the second or third place spots. People only remember the winners, and honestly, anyone would trade three runner-up finishes for a single first-place trophy if they could.
Look, let’s take ruggedfox28 as an example... most people would argue he only grabbed that title because of the luck involving Ferk, but honestly, would they have even reached that title if ruggedfox28 had finished with 5 fewer points? Not a chance. Sure, Ferk played her part in making the win possible, but did she clinch it all by herself? Nope.
In a year or two, when people start listing off the champions... they’re just gonna say the title was won thanks to that final lucky break with the Ferk and ruggedfox28 combo. Is anyone actually going to care who specifically scored how many points? Not really. Is anyone even going to remember who ended up as the runner-up for the super league or the championship that year? Probably not.

So, I went ahead and voted for the old way... mostly because I just don't have the bandwidth to sit around arguing about rule changes right now.
The pre-season debate was pretty thin, so there wasn't even much of a real choice to make when it came to voting.
As for these proposals... look, I'm obviously against moderators stepping in to call the shots, especially when they aren't actually contributing anything to making these competitions better or helping them grow.
Regarding that entry list... we're heading in the wrong direction here. They're messing with the very principles that the super league was built on in the first place. It was founded to be a league for our champions, and that's how it’s worked up until now. But next year? That won't be the case, because some champions won't even get a shot at playing. It won't feel like an "S" tier super league anymore, let alone some elite competition on the subforum.
Honestly, the list was solid from day one. They could have just left it exactly as it was last year, since it had already been tweaked back then anyway.

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It honestly wouldn't feel right if we let another rep from the second tournament slide into the super league, especially when even the defending champ didn't get a shot at it 😁

Terry Carter2 👋

darkmarlin16 said:So, I'm asking you, what was his logic for pairing them up like this? 😉

You totally dodged my question 😠

Look, there's actually a Berger table for all that ☕

Honestly, MAXYMA's chart is way better than Berger's ☕

Douglas Parker61 said:Does Jergović actually realize that Alguesuari is trailing Hemoš by a full 20 seconds?🤣

😂😂

I'm a little lost today 😁

Douglas Parker61 said:Go get 'em! You've got the green light. 👋

You gotta be kidding me...
Rosberg is slowing down. 😁

Man, I swear Ross Brawn and his whole crew would do just about anything to get Lewis Hamilton ahead of Nico Rosberg... 🤣

What kind of nonsense is James Diaz8 spouting... 🤣

It’s pretty obvious what happened here... Massa was hitting his lines perfectly, and this guy just plowed right into him.

Felipe Massa pulled off the win in that duel! 🙏

That Ferrari is an absolute tank 😁

Seriously, what is wrong with Lewis Hamilton? 🤦

Lewis baby 🙂

Lonzo totally wrecked Grandpa 🙏

Douglas Parker61 said:He also needs to let him know that Glock wasn't actually the last one to start, even though he keeps insisting on it.

Well, someone finally gave him the heads-up about being a total fraud 😁
or maybe this guy is just scrolling through Reddit while he's out there talking nonsense 😁

Someone needs to give Jergović a heads-up that Trulli hasn't actually pulled out yet 🤦

Jergović has claimed three different times that he's out of the race, but the guy is still out there tearing up the track 😁

The FIA is honestly just a total joke 🤦

Come on, stop talking nonsense...

It’s pretty obvious he was hugging that left white line with his left tires, and then Lewis just cut left right into Massa.

Edward Howard2 said:Let's talk about the SC because of those little pieces from Massa's wing 🙏

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