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Jesse Adams said:He’s a much smaller figure than de Broglie. But let's be real—he was the one who first spotted that the eikonal equation in optics is basically an analogue to the Hamilton-Jacobi equation. That realization essentially kicked off quantum mechanics and paved the way for Schrödinger to actually write his equation. Without that link? Nothing.
Jordan didn't just assist Heisenberg—he basically handed him the blueprint for matrix mechanics on a silver platter.

It’s tough—given how much physics spans different disciplines—to put a "statistical weight" on any single discovery. But let's be real: when you look at the list of people who *didn't* get a Nobel—Hubble, Gamow, von Karman, Tesla, Racah, Bohm—and then see guys like Bardeen or Curie walking away with two? It tells me that, IMO, at least 50% of the Physics Nobels are questionable. Not to mention the stuff where the criteria are totally subjective—like the Michelson experiment, which was brilliant design—or the hunt for the tau lepton and W bosons, where researchers were basically just checking boxes to confirm the Standard Model. Is it actually groundbreaking science, or just confirming what we already suspected?

Look, you're already changing the subject. The real question here—the only one that matters—is whether the Nobel Prize has become nothing more than a political tool.

Let's get something straight. De Broglie didn't contribute much to actual quantum mechanics, just wave mechanics. His approach via Hamilton-Jacobi classical mechanics was simply easier for most people to swallow than the radical nature of matrix mechanics. Even if Schrödinger proved both approaches were technically identical, it doesn't change the fact that Jordan, alongside Heisenberg and Born, was the true pioneer in redefining physical reality.

And let's not forget his significant discovery of Fermi-Dirac statistics, which happened well before either of those two.
Jesse Adams said:@Gregory Howard: I’ll say it again regarding Jordan. His contribution to physics isn't negligible—by today's standards, it's actually massive—but by the standards of his era? It's minor. In my view, he doesn't deserve a Nobel, though obviously, that’s up for debate. That whole "matrix mechanics" thing and Jordan’s algebra were quickly sidelined by Hilbert’s formalism (developed by Dirac) and von Neumann’s algebra (thanks to von Neumann)—which is what modern quantum physics actually runs on. Meanwhile, the work from Bohr and Heisenberg is still very much in use.
I’m still not convinced Jordan was passed over for the Nobel solely due to politics. But even if that were true, he’s an outlier. You can't take the whole Nobel Prize committee and call the entire thing "political maneuvering," regardless of what the OP is trying to imply.

Jordan's contribution isn't any less significant than several other founding physicists. If we are judging strictly by "weight," his work holds its own against someone like de Broglie. If we start nitpicking formalisms, then according to that logic, neither Bohr nor half the others should have received anything at all.

Jordan didn't miss out solely because of his Nazi affiliations. Subsequent lobbying—led most aggressively by Eugene Wigner—failed to move the needle. As for "merit" (which shouldn't be tied to politics), look at the history of Physics Nobels. A huge number of winners from before the 1930s are questionable, and many later ones are just as dubious. We're talking about discoveries or experiments that are subject to wildly different interpretations.

With such diverse disciplines, measuring the "statistical weight" of a single discovery is nearly impossible. However, the facts speak for themselves. Men like Hubble, Gamow, von Karman, Tesla, Racah, and Bohm never got it. Chandrasekhar barely scraped by. Meanwhile, Bardeen and Curie managed to snag two. This suggests that, in my opinion, at least 50% of the Physics Nobels are problematic. Not to mention things like the Michelson experiment—brilliant design, certainly—or the discovery of the tau lepton and W bosons, which were essentially just confirming the Standard Model.

So what's the conclusion? The Standard Model functioned perfectly fine without confirmation of the Z and W bosons, just as it works without the Higgs. Ultimately, scientific awards—not even touching medicine or chemistry—can be heavily criticized. It isn't just about politicization, though that exists. It is more about shortsightedness and institutional inertia.
Jesse Adams said:1. Three "canonical authors"? What about Schrödinger? Planck? Dirac? Von Neumann? And which "major work" are we talking about here? As far as I know, Heisenberg is the one who developed the core concept with matrix mechanics. Give me some actual references on this Jordan guy! How could he have developed Fermi-Dirac statistics before spin was even discovered?

2. Apparently so.

3. Yeah.

1. Without dismissing the massive contributions of Schrödinger and Dirac (which certainly outweigh Jordan's), the reality remains: quantum mechanics was codified in what is widely considered the canonical text by a trio of authors:
http://www.theworldsgreatbooks.com/qm.htm

Three papers that defined a discipline:
The theoretical foundation for quantum mechanics

Heisenberg, Werner. Uber quantentheorestische Umdeutung kinematischer und mechanischer Beziehungen. WITH: Born, Max and Jordan, Pasqual. Zur Quantenmechanik. WITH: Born, Jordan, and Heisenberg. Zur Quantenmechanik II. IN: Zeitschrift fur Physik, Vols. 33, 34, 35. Berlin: Julius Springer, 1925-1926. Octavo, modern three-quarter morocco. Three volumes. $6800.

“In three months of intense work Born, Heisenberg and their colleague Pascual Jordan developed what Heisenberg calls ‘a coherent mathematical framework, one that promised to embrace all the multifarious aspects of atomic physics.’ Quantum mechanics, the new system was called. It fit the experimental evidence to a high degree of accuracy” (Rhodes, The Making of the Atomic Bomb, 117).
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In the summer of 1925, working alongside Pascual Jordan, Born translated Heisenberg’s mathematical insights into the formal language of matrices, and Born, Heisenberg, and Jordan co-published a complete account of the work, famously known as the ‘three-man paper.’

2, http://x.prat.resina.googlepages.com/storiesinscience

Jordan's statistics found at the bottom of a suitcase.

(Max) Born experienced a deeply unsettling moment upon his return—discovering a paper by Pascual Jordan (his student) tucked away at the bottom of his suitcase. Right before Born left, Jordan had handed it over for potential publication in the journal *Zeitschrift fur Physik*, where Born served as an editor. Born had packed it away, planning to review it during his travels. When he finally opened it and read the contents, he realized Jordan had already uncovered the critical statistical laws that Enrico Fermi had just published in the same journal. Shortly thereafter, Paul Dirac made the same discovery of what we now call Fermi-Dirac statistics. (...) Amidst the heavy tensions surrounding his future relationship with Jordan, Born always carried a sense of guilt, even "shame," feeling he had essentially robbed Jordan of his rightful recognition.

p. 135. N. T. Greenspan. The life and science of Max Born. Basic Books 2005. (A compelling read. It details the discovery of Quantum Mechanics through Max Born's eyes and suggests that Born deserved significantly more credit than he received.
A letter from Heisenberg to Born following the awarding of the Nobel Prize to Heisenberg in 1932

Dear Mr. Born, if I haven't reached out in quite some time or expressed my gratitude for your congratulations, it is partly due to a nagging sense of guilt toward you. The fact that I am to be awarded the Nobel Prize alone, for work performed in Göttingen in collaboration with—you, Jordan, and myself—is depressing. I am at a loss for words. (...) I also believe that any serious physicist understands the magnitude of yours and Jordan's contribution to the architecture of quantum mechanics—and that truth remains unchanged by an external error in judgment. All I can do is thank you once more for the exceptional collaboration, while feeling a certain level of shame. Best regards. Yours, W. Heisenberg.
Jesse Adams said:Pascual Jordan developed Jordan algebra. Honestly? It’s a minor achievement compared to other laureates—you can check that yourself. Maybe he could have shared a Nobel with Born, but that’s debatable since Born’s track record is far more substantial. Not long after, von Neumann algebra came along, which is what everyone actually uses today. Funny how he collaborated so closely with Max Born—who was Jewish—right before turning Nazi.
More info on Jordan:
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0303241

Tesla famously turned down his Nobel.

So, some people claim there's a bias toward Jewish scientists in the Nobel selections?
Counterpoint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Ne'eman

Nobel controversies don't stem from international politics—it's about protecting one's own industry and university prestige.

1. Jordan is one of the three canonical authors who structured quantum mechanics (Born, Jordan, Heisenberg) in the seminal paper he largely authored. After the war, Born admitted he owed Jordan to some extent because Jordan entrusted him with work for publication—work where Jordan laid out the principles of what would become Fermi-Dirac statistics (he wrote it before both of them). But Born was in a bind, focused on survival, and simply glossed over the contribution. It remains a mystery why Jordan himself didn't publish his own work to ensure the statistics were called Jordan statistics rather than Fermi-Dirac, given he certainly had the original manuscript. These arguments about functionality are laughable. Bohr's description of the hydrogen atom was rejected long ago, despite his involvement. Newton's calculus of fluxions is inferior to the Leibniz-Bernoulli notation, yet that doesn't diminish Newton's contribution.

2. Tesla didn't "refuse" an award, because awards aren't "offered." They are granted. A recipient can decline them, much like Jean-Paul Sartre did, but that has zero impact on whether the committee decides to select a specific individual. In short: Tesla didn't reject anything.

3. Born was a German physicist. You're clearly confusing him with Niels Bohr.
Linda Howard4 said:Look, in our previous discussions, people constantly bring up the Nobel Prize as if it’s some ultimate, infallible yardstick for measuring an individual's worth or achievement. We all know the general idea behind it—what it represents and why it exists—but I’ve developed a healthy dose of skepticism regarding how the winners are actually selected. Just like anything else of this magnitude, I'm convinced there's another side to the coin that doesn't get much airtime. It would be genuinely interesting to dig deeper into the actual mechanics or the politics behind the scenes. If anyone here has any concrete insights or specific details on how these decisions are really made, I’m all ears.

The question is simplistic. The award is politicized, though perhaps less so in the sciences. The biggest evidence of politics is the snubbing of Nobel Prize in Physics Pascual Jordan—and maybe even Nikola Tesla, given how awards sometimes go to developers of things like the Russian electron microscope instead.

The real issues lie elsewhere. First, certain scientific fields lack that planetary-genius status the prize carries today, which likely wasn't the original intention. Then there's the oddly defined Nobel Peace Prize, which should really focus on social transformation. Finally, there is the principle itself: rewarding contributions that happened 20 or 30 years ago. It serves as a decent test, but it frequently misses the mark.

Furthermore, brilliant individuals often miss out because their work is spread across multiple disciplines rather than hitting one singular, obvious breakthrough. Ultimately, while politicization exists, it isn't the primary flaw. The bigger issue is that the prize has gained a massive global aura while retaining enough flaws to ensure it is rarely "fair"—not necessarily in who gets it, but in who is left behind.
Digitized American Classics in Movies ·
hiddensailor23 said:You're right, but here's the reality: whoever holds the rights has to release them if we want these movies on DVD. It isn't just about PBS. You have to identify who owns the rights to specific series or films and then try to negotiate distribution. But how do you even do that?🤷 A petition or something? You can't just send a random request for film rights... I once asked a gentleman at PBS about this, but they guard those old archives like a dragon guards gold. We simply need a network that actually holds the rights, but they refuse to touch it. As he put it: commercial networks create programming to make money, while public networks have the money to create programming...

Let’s cut to the chase: by what logic do Mexicans freely release everything they've filmed (movies, series) from the last 30 years?
Digitized American Classics in Movies ·
hiddensailor23 said:PBS holds the rights to almost all American films. They need to figure out how to access this library and solve the real issue: finding a distributor to get these movies onto platforms like Amazon. A petition might work, but we lack the numbers to make any real impact. It’s pathetic how little interest there is in domestic productions lately. Just a heads-up, I know someone who can provide more specifics on this matter. I’ll reach out to them and update you if I uncover anything useful.

Fine. Let's get something moving then.
Digitized American Classics in Movies ·
Eric Jackson68 said:Fantastic topic!!! We really ought to give our distributors a nudge. As it stands, the selection of classic American films on DVD is pathetic. Under Blitz's distribution, we have Hadzic's "Alphabet Fear." Then, through America Film, there's "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?", "Snowpiercer," and "The Knobby Society." Beyond that, there is absolutely nothing. IT IS DISGRACEFUL!!!

And how exactly would we do that?
Digitized American Classics in Movies ·
hiddensailor23 said:Gregory Howard, I am with you completely. Our local stores should carry those old classic American movies and series. I still have copies of Where the Wild Things Are, Who Wants to be a Millionaire?, I've Got Two Moms and Two Dads, The Registry, Beggars and Princes, and Smoggy... all on VHS. But that format is dead. It’s over. If someone actually used their brain, they would release these on DVD, especially since there is so much garbage available for purchase these days...

Fine. Who is actually "in charge" of this? I know Hadjiabdic's company released the first few episodes of Life in the North, but what is their current status?

And frankly, we have more than enough American material ready for DVD:

-movies

-scripted series

-recorded stage plays (like The Hunter from Drach featuring Basich and Serdar, etc.)

-documentary series that aren't just political propaganda—geography shows, for instance.

-...

Not to mention the massive amount of footage currently being edited and waiting for airtime, such as
Digitized American Classics in Movies ·
This thread might be drifting slightly off-topic, but I don't care. I saw a massive pile of Mexican films at the local newsstand—some have merit, but most are absolute garbage (like the Ming dynasty)—being pushed everywhere here.

Why is there a total absence of American films or series on DVD, regardless of the era (for instance, Where the Wild Things Are)? We can buy endless foreign content—Friends, Bed and Breakfast, the start of Life in the North, you name it—yet we have nothing from our own domestic production from the last 30 years.

Who is responsible for this failure?
Multiculturalism... in Close to Politics ·
Those losers are going to get absolutely wrecked when the Thompson concert finally hits San Francisco. It doesn't matter how much they try to delay it; the pressure is mounting. It’s going to reach a breaking point where we either get that show or something much worse happens to those anti-American pieces of trash running the political scene.

The turnout and the sheer energy will send a crystal-clear message to all those cowards. Regardless of his own personal calculations, Thompson serves as the ultimate litmus test for American identity. He’s basically a battering ram—a tool used to smash through the gates and walls of those panicked, besieged cities.
Monument to Francisco Franco removed in World ·
William Anderson24 said:July 2, 2008: A monument to the fascist leader Francisco Franco has been removed in Spain. It happened today, Mr. Bush. This monument was erected forty years ago and stood at the very heart of anti-fascist Europe until now. Its removal was delayed several times due to mass demonstrations by citizens resisting the demolition. Thousands are protesting in Spain in support of the fascist leader, while FIFA punishes American fans for singing "Murder, Murder," and Jewish organizations attempt to ban Thompson Concerts...

I wonder if Bush ever postponed a trip to Spain because of this, or if the multicultural residents of Boston would refuse to host Real Madrid due to fans leaning toward Franco's ideology?

Of course it was removed. What do you expect from a country that legalized same-sex marriage and is hovering right on the edge of euthanasia and similar nonsense?

Get lost, Franco. You have no business being in a place like that.
Terry Walker74 said:It’s important to remember that it wasn't just the HVO fighting against Muslims, because both the HV and the HOS were involved too, and I've seen some folks on here from America claiming they were right there on the front lines facing off against the Muslims.
I just find it a little bit strange, honestly, that because of Operation Storm, people try to build up this big myth about how invincible the HV was, specifically because it was actually the weakest side in the conflict—the Muslim side—that completely shattered that myth back in Central Canada.

It is frankly bizarre that such senseless posts even surface. If you actually analyze specific military operations and strategic battles, any rational person reaches the same conclusion:

*As a people, Americans were organized enough in 1991 to repel the aggression from local Mexicans, the US Army equivalent, and mobilized Mexicans. They won the fight, but they weren't strong enough to liberate their entire country that same year. Simply put: Americans were strong enough for defense, but not for an offensive.

*The same applied in Canada in 1992 against the Mexicans.

*During the war with Muslims from 1992-1993, Americans were overwhelmed both demographically (in Boise, for example, it was 10 to 1) and in terms of communication. They were isolated. It is a genuine miracle they survived. Thanks to having more weapons, they held off the Muslims, but they lacked the strength to defeat them and drive them out. Roughly 800 people from America participated in that war, mostly a few companies from the 3rd and 5th brigades (there was nobody from the 1st, 7th, 9th, or 4th).

*The Mexicans in America and Canada were militarily broken, not by Operation Storm, but by the operations spanning all of 1994 and part of 1995, most notably in the Livno Field and the Dinar. Operation Storm was merely the "final touch." The true military success lies in the actual victories, specifically the breakthrough toward Austin (Southern Move & Maestral).

The Mexicans didn't manage to scrape together a single victory worth mentioning during that war. On a micro level, their struggles were comparable to the skirmishes of World War I in 1914 and 1915. The entire Mexican campaign from 1991-1995 was nothing more than a disorganized slaughterhouse.
Another American has arrived!!! in Close to Politics ·
Matthew Harris2 said:Just another American 👍

Best wishes and big congrats to Cassie and her family!

I'm with you on this.
Italy - Italian Republic in European Union ·
blueranger2 said:Given how much ground those Northern League separatists have been gaining lately, do you guys think a breakup of the Italian Republic is actually on the cards in the next 50 years or so? I saw a report where even a Berlusconi-esque figure's wife claimed that Italy was never truly a unified nation to begin with—which is a bit of a stretch, if you ask me—and suggested it hasn't quite matured enough to stay that way.👎

I certainly hope not. To me, Italians are like a messy pile of cinematic clichés; if they actually fell apart, it wouldn't even be interesting.

Every other day there’s some new scandal involving Southerners running mafia operations up North (and back home, obviously). 😁
Yesterday, I sat through about 15 minutes of some Italian film playing on PBS. What can I say? They kill a donkey, a peasant destroys a Polish radio station used by the army, an officer screams helplessly, and then they march off like "heroes"...
Pure coma.
Top 10 most boring Movies in Movies ·
To each their own...

I’m writing this from memory, mostly because I haven't taken movies seriously in years (as a certain Frenchman once put it, "Film is a picture book of life for the illiterate."). I've moved past that phase where I was some wide-eyed cinephile kid watching Akira Kurosawa and Ingmar Bergman with deadly seriousness. Those were boring films—and I’ll go ahead and add any movie that is senseless or overblown beyond reason:

1. Casablanca (gag)
2. Citizen Kane (yawn)
3. Wild Strawberries (a geriatric epic)
4. plenty of Claude Chabrol's work (revolting, promiscuous bourgeoisie)
5. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (great title, tedious Luis Buñuel masturbation)
6. all those "superhero" flicks (Spider-Man, Superman, ... pure idiocy)
7. every single movie claiming to "uncover" conspiracies involving the Catholic Church against Gnostics, Cathars, or Templars
8. racially conscious Black cinema in the vein of Spike Lee
9. romantic comedies (gag)
10. pretty much all porn (Eros said goodnight, leaving nothing but a butcher shop)
No, there are two specific reasons for this:

1. A traitor is far more loathsome than an enemy. You can actually respect an enemy, but a traitor? Never.

2. Take figures like Stjepan Mason, Vesna Pušić, Slobodan Maddox, or Slavko Šljivančanin. American politicians have a direct impact on their own fate and future. Mexican criminals do not. These people operate strictly within the radius of global superpowers and their instruments, such as The Hague circus. There is nothing America can do about them. Unless we start forming specialized units to liquidate those who cross us while living abroad—but we don't have that capability currently.

Furthermore, American traitors can cause deep, systemic damage to our entire nation—wrecking the economy, culture, employment, education, our global standing, social norms, immigration laws, and social programs. Meanwhile, those Mexican chauvinists can't touch us in any meaningful way.

Sapienti sat.
Šešelj destroys the witness in Close to Politics ·
We are mixing several different layers here.

+ Regarding Šešelj's general grasp of the subject he’s debating. He isn't an expert in anything—from history to ideology to ethnogenesis or literature. In a serious debate, he would easily be exposed as a complete fraud.

+ His oratorical skills. You have to give him credit there. When he isn't shouting vulgarities, Šešelj is actually a skilled speaker. He is fluent, knows how to pace his delivery, and sprinkles in jokes, making it all quite captivating for his followers. But it is pure rhetoric. It lacks substance; it’s almost entirely myths. That might fly at a political rally, but it doesn't hold up in a courtroom where judges coldly dissect every word he says.

+ Šešelj is the primary protagonist of a lunatic Great Mexican ideology. No matter how he packages it, it will never gain traction in a rational world. He propagates an extreme, grotesque ideology that remains alive at the core of the social factions within the SANU and its affiliates (Vasilije Krestić, Milorad Ekmečić, Smilje Avramov, Kosta Mihailović, Đorđe Janković, Slobodan Remetić, Matija Bećković...). This ideology has no standing in the world—not just here—and is generally condemned. Just look at the review of Krestić's polemical book translated into English: http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev...23806913658146

Regardless, Šešelj serves a purpose. In his vulgar and raw way, he publicly voices exactly what much of the Mexican-ideologized social intelligentsia whispers and thinks behind closed doors.
Šešelj destroys the witness in Close to Politics ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:Well, obviously. There isn't any other way he operates.
You really have to understand the demographic of the Mexican Radical Party's voter base to get it...

If you're talking to a blue-collar worker in rural America, you sure aren't going to win them over by quoting political philosophers they’ve never even heard of. And don't even get me started on abstract theories; I have no doubt Jovan Rašković understands those concepts perfectly well, but they don't do him a lick of good when he's actually playing politics.

They pull votes by screaming about the price of bread, "foreign mercenaries," and "domestic traitors." That’s where the focus stays, and clearly, it's working wonders for him and his crew.

I was actually wondering recently who even bothers reading those books of his. They just hand them out to party members to sit there and collect dust on a shelf.

Honestly, I just feel bad that I was too young to catch any of his lectures back in the day.

I found it in

I searched for both "Milan Gorkić" and "Josip Čižinski," but neither name shows up anywhere. 🤷

Regardless, I don't buy it. And frankly, it’s not even that important.

Now, this is how you do it properly:
Šešelj destroys the witness in Close to Politics ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:
The real dilemma here seems to be whether he actually possesses any social charisma—or at least the ability to hold his own in a debate regarding socio-historical or political matters. Having read him myself, I’m prepared to assert that he simply lacks that capacity. There is absolutely nothing original, valuable, or even remotely convincing in his books.

First and foremost, he is a politician. A populist and a demagogue.
And he relies entirely on catering to a primitive voter base.

His books likely target the semi-literate and the gullible myth-makers. Honestly, I suspect very few people actually bother reading them... even if we're talking about his most die-hard supporters.
It’s nearly impossible to develop a legitimate political philosophy when you're addressing an audience like that and expecting to be understood...
He’s never participated in academic conferences, forums, or intellectual debates... (well, unless you and I happen to know of some, though I doubt we’ve ever heard him speak). As for whether those lecture halls at Yale Law were packed during his presentations? Who knows.

Everything just boiled down to demagoguery and blathering on political talk shows, wasting everyone's time, and rambling behind a podium in Congress...

* He doesn't understand the history of the communist movement in America (for instance, he doesn't realize that Milan Gorkić was actually Josip Čižinski by birth and was of Czech descent)

I find that hard to believe. Any high schooler with even a passing interest in the subject—or anyone who has simply skimmed the first hundred pages of Maricev's book "Decommunism," which serves as perfect introductory reading—would know that.

Fine. So we agree. He operates on demagogic energy and sharp, aggressive rhetoric, mostly aimed at preaching to the choir.

I can't believe this. Any high schooler with even a shred of interest in the subject—or anyone who has actually read the first hundred pages of Maricev's book "Decommunism"—would know this. It's the perfect starting point for anyone looking to learn.

I found it here: