Michael Gonzalez77;
Look, you gotta get one thing straight first:
No single person can ever be compared to anyone else when we're talking about spiritual stuff.
If that were true, it would mean there aren't any frauds in our neck of the woods (on the spiritual "market").
It would imply that every single snake oil salesman and "esoteric expert" walking these streets is actually legit.
And that human naivety is just some poetic metaphor used to scare little kids.
Everyone builds their own spirituality, so trying to compare people is totally pointless. Comparison usually happens in the material world; in the realm of the spirit, it's basically non-existent—it's just wrong.
So you're saying everyone just picks whatever fits their vibe.
Like shopping at a Walmart; grab a bit of this, a little bit of that... toss this out, keep that, ignore the third thing because it doesn't suit me, and maybe tweak or customize the part I actually like.
That's just enlightened, modern, individualistic-modular spirituality / spiritual engineering.
As many people as there are, that's how many different doctrines there are.
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The way people think... a person's unique way of thinking... is so incredibly individual that a single method like the Bible isn't enough to cover or solve it, unfortunately.
I couldn't disagree more.
Human thought and behavior are universally known patterns.
People are predictable, measurable, and honestly, pretty easy to manipulate.
We know exactly what motivates people, what keeps them up at night, how they react in certain situations, and all that.
That’s basically what applied psychology does, and it does it successfully.
If you actually take the time to study the Bible, you'll see it addresses and helps people transcend those exact behavioral patterns we're all slaves to.
Claiming you're somehow outside its framework sounds a bit like a stretch to me.
I think insisting that there are 7 billion uniquely individualized behaviors just isn't grounded in reality.
...that's not the fault of Hrostov's teachings, which I consider perfection, but rather the fault of the people who have spent centuries watering down the original Teaching and inserting all kinds of blasphemies into the scriptures themselves.
What kind of blasphemies did they add, or what spiritual truths did they strip away?
And who told you that?
Don't give me that nonsense about Jesus studying in India, hanging out with Indian sages and poring over the Vedas... right under the Himalayas. That ridiculous attempt to discredit Christianity is more suited for a late-night Discovery Channel show than a serious, open discussion.
On the other hand, I know that among most of those who call themselves spiritual representatives, there's a group that truly received their calling from within, and getting quality inspiration from them is possible, especially for people who are receptive (like you), but for the rest, it's just not like that. This isn't a judgment, it's just a fact; if it weren't true, the Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church, or any others, would have produced actual spiritual people by now (and they've had centuries to do it)—people who are open, well-meaning, sincere, virtuous in every sense without negative thoughts, people who are happy and full of understanding even for society's worst criminals. If that were the case, Christianity alone would have created nearly a billion saints.
Spiritual authenticity isn't some numbers game based on how many saints exist.
That’s just not how things work. This world we’re living in is this massive, complex, mind-bending mess—it’s overwhelming, if you ask me. As conscious beings, we’re being hit by all these influences that you can't just brush off or pretend don't matter. Your linear way of looking at it? It's just a lazy simplification. The spiritual struggle is heavy stuff; it demands way more than just having good intentions or checking a box.
Christianity didn't spit out a billion saints, but it did produce thousands of them. Just try honestly living by any of the principles that inspired them, or even just trying to follow their lead, and I guarantee you’ll see some spiritual progress.
Since that’s nowhere near the reality, that's where my opinion comes from. And it’s not about what the church *should* be, just like the idea of a democratic society is one thing, while how it actually plays out in real life is nowhere near hitting that mark.
Btw; what kind of doctrine or spiritual path are you even following... since you're basically devaluing Christian values just because a billion Christians aren't considered "holy"?
I'm genuinely curious.
If you view the church as the pillar of spiritual growth in this world and the people coming to it as top-tier individuals, that’s just your perspective. All I see is that the things I know about are way below that level.
Clearly, you've got high standards.
But hey, keep in mind that old saying: "The higher they fly, the harder they fall."
And I'm not talking about the intensity of your spiritual effort or your goals here, but rather the position you're judging from.
...like I said again, it's not about the idea of churches or temples or whatever, but because an individual's problems are way too complicated for a sermon in a church to just flip someone's mindset and free them from the patterns that cause negative thoughts, stress, and even chronic illnesses tied to how they think.
I get it, I get it... church seems like a boring place at first glance.
But look, the whole point of spiritual growth isn't about satisfying our natural craving for a little "high" or a trip (you know, that feeling where you want something to flash in your brain or give you some weird mental buzz), it's about how deeply it changes you as a person, connects you with your own conscience, and opens you up to the people around you.
I don't doubt there are noble people everywhere, whether in church ranks or outside of them, in Christianity or among those called atheists, in Buddhism or Hinduism, among scientists or just regular everyday folks.
I don't doubt it either.
I hope I've explained my conclusion clearly enough.
Yeah, thanks for getting back to me.
If you walk into a church in some town where people actually show up without their heavy psychological baggage—people who are just thriving in Life regardless of how much money they have, without any of that judgment, jealousy, vanity, hatred, envy, or those intense lustful urges, or even the constant ache and suffering—well, I pray to God we see more people like that in every church, steeple, temple, and mosque on this planet. Because honestly, that’s exactly how it should be.
From your mouth to God's ears; "...thy kingdom come..."
In this weird, mysterious world we're all stuck in, it ain't always true that all that glitters is gold, and it definitely isn't true that everything that stinks is complete garbage. You need "X-ray vision"—or just an open heart, I guess—to really see the face and the backside of what serves us and what just rubs us the wrong way. It's all about knowing when to peek at one thing and run for the hills from the other; "...thy will be done..."