Linda Price5 said:No, he's simply advocating for slapping kids with ADHD—and he's slapping his own while he's at it. 😁
Why are you so hell-bent on getting moderators punished? They have rights, too. Look, I’d appreciate it if you just started a thread to actually educate the mods on what they can and can't do, instead of trying to solve every single little issue by calling for someone's head.
Besides, since laws are always open to interpretation—and given that this specific law protects against anything humiliating—a parent who forces a kid to wear a blue jacket when the kid absolutely hates blue and feels humiliated by it is technically violating Article 88 of the Family Law.
By that same logic, if a neighbor—someone who isn't family—slaps a kid, they aren't violating Article 88.
Linda Price5 said:My concern isn't regarding the penalty for expressing an opinion; my issue is with a moderator inciting domestic violence. 🙂
Look, he isn't encouraging domestic violence, and honestly, what you're doing here is bordering on straight-up lying. Do us all a favor and just stop. 🙂
The whole point of this forum is to share our views and swap experiences. I KNOW for a fact that nobody in that thread wrote, "Yeah, you should definitely beat your kids regardless of the situation, hit them as much as possible." You can say whatever you want, but nobody is inciting violence here. 😉
Just realize that I actually used the word violence.
Linda Price5 said:I'm still looking for clarity on this. 🍿
If the extent of the "punishment" is nothing more than revisionist editing of posts, then we should probably just limit moderators to an edit-only permission. Most of those banned posts aren't even due to calls for breaking the Penal Code; they're usually triggered by much more trivial matters.
Look, people are allowed to have opinions. If the guys in the corner decide all feminists are just hairy old ladies who don't shave their legs... well, that doesn't make it a fact. It just means that's what the MK crowd thinks, believes, or claims.
The other thing is, whether that's actually true or just a coincidence is a whole different story. ☕
We’ve had freedom of speech for a long time now, and it took centuries of struggle to get where we are. We only lost it during fascist regimes and things like that.
Alex Barnes8 said:You think what we've been doing for over 20 years is suddenly wrong? People have been staying out until 5 AM forever. 🤷
I don't really get why every generation acts so shocked and starts acting like everything is brand new. 🙄
A phone or a laptop isn't something a kid is entitled to, unlike basic freedom, food, or things like that. And there's some mention here about property earned through one's own work? 🤔 What about kids who earn their own money? 😲
Some kids go to trade schools and do internships. They actually make some cash there.
Look, going out isn't the issue—socializing is great. But when you look at the legal side of things, there’s a line parents just can't cross regarding their kids' freedom. Sure, a minor under 18 isn't legally allowed to buy alcohol or cigarettes—even if they're probably doing it anyway—but that's secondary. The real issue here is parents trying to lock their kids away and forbid them from leaving the house entirely.
Honestly, kids should just head straight into vocational schools and get some hands-on internship experience. At least that way, they’re actually earning some money while they learn a trade instead of just racking up debt.
That’s a whole different story. But look, if we’re really talking about violence, let’s talk about what happens when you don't buy a kid every single thing they demand at Target. You know exactly how they act in the middle of the aisle when you say no to the candy. Now *that* is true violence! You shell out a few thousand bucks to get him an iPhone, then you’re stuck footing the bill for the monthly data plan, too. $83Honestly, if a kid messes up, you take away their iPhone and suddenly everyone starts screaming about violence. Give me a break. 😉
Look, I'm fully aware that most of what I post is total nonsense, but my point is this: laws can be twisted to mean just about whatever you want them to. So, let's have some fun with it, folks! 🙂
Domestic violence includes any form of physical, psychological, sexual, or economic abuse, specifically:
– physical violence, meaning any application of physical force regardless of whether an injury occurred,
– corporal punishment and other ways of treating children in a degrading manner under the guise of discipline,
– psychological violence, meaning the use of mental coercion that causes fear, vulnerability, anxiety, or loss of dignity; this includes verbal abuse, verbal attacks, insults, swearing, name-calling, or any other form of harsh verbal harassment, stalking, or harassment through any communication means, electronic or print media, or by communicating with third parties, unlawful isolation or restricting freedom of movement (referred to hereafter as stalking and harassment),
– sexual violence, meaning sexual harassment,
– economic violence, which involves damaging or destroying personal or joint property, or preventing or attempting to prevent the use of personal or joint property, as well as withholding rights or preventing access to personal income or assets earned through work or inheritance, obstructing employment or work, forcing economic dependency, or withholding funds necessary for household maintenance or care for children and other dependents within the household.
So, let me get this straight: banning someone from going out—you know, actually hitting the bars, grabbing a smoke, dancing, or just hanging with the crew until 5 AM—is considered breaking the law now? Are we really at the point where a parent has to let their kid go wherever they want, whenever they feel like it, just to stay legal? It’s the same story every single time: if a kid can't even step foot out the door without cash in their pocket, then the parent is basically on the hook to fund it. They just have to cough up the money.
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Blocking someone from using their own property—or even just trying to pull that stunt—is a massive red flag. It’s a blatant attempt to strip away someone's autonomy and control over what they rightfully own. Taking away someone's right to control their own paycheck or the property they earned through hard work or inheritance—that’s abuse. Forcing someone into economic dependency by blocking them from working or withholding the money needed to run a household and take care of the kids? That's just another way to exert control. It's all part of the same pattern.
Look, a smartphone, a laptop, or any other gadget isn't exactly a fundamental right for a kid—not like freedom, food, or basic necessities. And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if there's anything written here regarding property earned through one's own labor? 🤔 Kids earning their own money? Is that even a thing anymore? 😲
steelskipper5 said:Honestly, this is more of an issue with the education system than anything else.
All the data shows we’re living in the least violent era in human history.
Sure, but we're also wealthier than ever before. Obviously, kids weren't walking into classrooms with smartphones twenty years ago because they didn't exist. But look, if a teacher can ban calculators on a math test (unless it's advanced calculus), they can certainly ban phones. The real issue is the incompetent, clueless teachers who fail to actually enforce those rules. And hey, it's their absolute right to do so. We shouldn't be whining, "Oh, kids these days, everyone needs an iPhone and all this tech." They need them, sure, but they also need to know how to actually *use* them properly. As for filming during class and dumping it on YouTube? That should be punished—it's just that our laws were written back when none of this stuff even existed. 😁
Alex Barnes8 was constantly being subjected to things like this—and those are just the mild versions—yet the conclusion drawn (by others, including you) was that she was just trolling. 🤷
Maybe try reading her posts more often; then you'd actually get why she's trolling. And no, I don't hold my breath expecting a rational debate from everyone on this forum. I wish it worked that way, but some people just twist every single thing you say just to start a fight.
Things can always get worse. To me, the idea that a child should be happy because they only (yuck) get hit occasionally—just because things could be even worse elsewhere—is absolutely terrible. 😢
And what happens when a fifteen-year-old smashes a MacBook $2333 just for the hell of it? Should we just sit them down and explain why that's wrong? 👏 What if they wreck a $40,000 car?
You can't even pull them aside by the ear anymore without risking a trip to jail.
But sure, let's just completely ignore the existence of kids who don't act out and never need discipline.
Alex Barnes8 said:This also feels like blackmail, or just exploiting a child's position.
But I guess you don't even see that. ☕
No, actual abuse is when kids are being mistreated at home—like an alcoholic mother, or a father who blows the entire paycheck on drugs and booze and then comes home out of nowhere to beat his wife and kid. That’s abuse. And in those situations, kids go... anywhere, as long as it's far away from them.
If a kid is smart enough—and let's face it, kids are getting sharper by the day—they can ask someone to take them away, whether it's foster care or whoever else, because that is their right!
But look, we already know what we're dealing with here, and none of us have high expectations for your input in a debate anyway. 🙂
Linda Price5 said:You are spreading falsehoods; physical discipline and abuse are not the same thing. An elderly person isn't an abuser just because a senile grandmother loses her temper once and gives them a quick smack, but that smack is still violence and is prohibited under Family Law.
From what I've observed here, nobody has claimed that every single strike is abuse, but every instance of physical punishment is violence, and all physical punishment is illegal in the US.
Moderator Charles Fox10 has been encouraging physical punishment of children, which is prohibited by law.
That is precisely what this topic is about.
Look, I’m usually pretty sharp, but clearly my brain is on vacation today. Every single person arguing against punishment seems to think that even pulling someone's hair counts as abuse. It makes their entire stance look idiotic. By that logic, there's more violence happening in elementary schools than in homes, yet you never see a 12-year-old getting disciplined for beating up kids their own age.
I read through Charles Fox10's posts, and I didn't interpret them the way everyone else did. To me, it was clear that he, like most of the older regulars on this forum, is just arguing for the occasional swat if a kid goes too far.
At the end of the day, semantics don't matter when people are out here calling for prison time for anyone who pulls a kid's hair or gives them a slap. ☕
I was reading some news reports about various foster care facilities and group homes for kids under 18. Honestly, if a 12-year-old genuinely thinks they're being abused, they should just head straight to one of those institutions. I have a feeling they’d be begging to go back home pretty fast. A little occasional spanking or getting a firm earful isn't nearly as bad as the reality of what kids actually face in those state-run homes.
I’ve only skimmed part of this thread, so I might have missed it, but here’s my take: stripping a kid of their phone, computer, and TV access—it’s way more brutal and painful than any slap they could ever get. If you lay a hand on a child, you’re an abuser. Period. There’s no middle ground between being an abuser and just letting them run wild when they act up; those are the only two options.
Is there some magical law out there that stops a parent from taking away things they actually paid for? What do we call a parent who does that? A thief? No, because let's be real, they bought the stuff... 🤔 Besides, kids under 13 aren't even allowed on Facebook without parental permission, yet there are tons of them doing it anyway. 😉>
Anyway, MK can get pretty flooded with trolls who hide behind "reasonable" posts just to derail good discussions. Sometimes they're hard to spot because they all act like they're smarter than everyone else.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Captain America. Honestly, who even needs to see the movie when you have the damn trailer? But here's the thing—trailers these days are actually good, almost without exception. It doesn't matter if they're just a massive montage of clips or if they focus on one tiny, specific moment.
Compare that to trailers from before the 90s, and man, they were a total disaster. The further back you go, the worse they get. They’d literally just show two or three full scenes from the movie while some monotone narrator droned on about the cast and talked absolute nonsense. Then again, back then, the movies themselves were actually great. Nowadays, everything feels flipped. 😬
I have to say, I’m actually thankful we finally got this digital satellite setup. 😬 We can even pick up ORF now, so we can catch the coverage there. Sure, it’s all in German, but honestly... who cares? 😁
Yeah, and? We actually took things to a whole new level: we were drinking even before the final bell rang. 🙏
Look, no matter how much we drank or where we did it, I haven't seen any of those supposed consequences: nobody ended up pregnant because of it, nobody turned into a junkie or a functional alcoholic (at least none that 😬 would know about), and nobody "ruined their life" instantly just because they had a few drinks back in high school.
Most of us are either in college or working now, and honestly, not much has changed. If anything, I’m glad I lived it up like that in high school, because now that I'm in university, I don't really have the urge to go out all the time... it's just not the same rush anymore. Plus, it depends on who you're hanging out with.
I think it's better than being a total hermit in high school. If you never leave the house then, you finally get a taste of "independence" when you head off to college, realize nobody's watching you, and suddenly think you can go hard every single day—blowing your tuition money and tanking your grades in the process.
You should enjoy yourself while you're in high school and your parents are still close enough to help. Once you're on your own, you're on your own.
I totally missed out on it because I was out of the loop, messed up the time change, and was just plain exhausted. Honestly, what the hell was I doing waiting around for months?
So, is he actually complaining about any specific issues? Like neck pain, back problems, anything like that?
I remember one time I fell asleep weirdly on a standard pillow and my neck got so locked up I couldn't move it for three days. It was a total nightmare.