Posts by redharbor9

Jose Barrett said:
I checked myself into the facility voluntarily, well, my parents brought me there because they could see I wasn't doing okay. By the second day, I woke up feeling completely untethered—paranoia was hitting hard—simply because there wasn't a single familiar face nearby. When they tried to administer an injection, I told them I wanted to be called 92 because I just didn't trust them. I refused the shot unless they called the police to stand guard over me. They suggested I head to the intake room first and said we’d call the cops from there. As soon as I walked into the intake room, a technician on duty came up behind me, threw a restraint loop around my neck, and slammed me to the floor while two or three other techs piled on top of me. My mind went straight to the thought that they were trying to kill me, and I fought back with everything I had; it was pure survival instinct. The tech kept tightening the loop until I was nearly suffocated. During the struggle, they also managed to jab me with needles a couple of times. Later, the psychiatrist told my mom that in cases like that, a tech will tighten the loop until the patient stops resisting—even if it means death. After all that, they tossed me in a seclusion box and kept me restrained for over 24 hours. They tied me so tight they crushed my ulnar nerve; for the next year, I couldn't fully move two fingers on my hands, and I doubt my grip strength or sensation will ever truly return to normal. And about that box—I almost died of dehydration a few times. I’d scream for water, but food and drink only arrived when the tech showed up, which was maybe ten times in over twenty-four hours. By then, I was so depleted that five minutes after drinking a glass of water, I was already thirsty again.

That’s his testimony, which could be entirely fabricated, yet you're treating it as relevant evidence.
The kid was probably riding some heavy psychostimulants given that his parents sent him to the hospital just because they noticed "something was wrong."

Are you even reading what anyone else is saying, or is your only goal in this thread to argue and prove you're right? Based on what I've seen, even a typical Republican can see that this isn't the same experience I described—it's just some other random thing I found online...

I remember stumbling upon some stuff about that whole "noose" trend...

http://www.depresija.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7003

Third post in a row...

placidjackal36 said:Suffocating until you pass out? No way. Look, if someone hits that point, you have to jump on resuscitation immediately, otherwise, they’re gone in a heartbeat. And let’s get one thing straight: CPR isn't some Hollywood magic trick where you do a couple of chest compressions, blow some air into them, and suddenly the patient pops their eyes open, perfectly fine. In reality, CPR often doesn't even work. At the end of the day, manual compressions and rescue breaths aren't really meant to "bring someone back" to life—they're just a desperate attempt to keep a tiny bit of oxygenated blood moving through the system until a paramedic shows up with a defibrillator.

If you grab someone by the throat and squeeze until they stop breathing, you can be pretty damn sure you've sent them straight to the morgue. That’s why this whole thing feels incredibly sketchy to me.

I don't know, I've got a different take on this. If what redharbor9 is saying actually holds water, then maybe we're all just dealing with a bit of an optical illusion. It might just be a matter of perception.
What if she was having a psychotic break? Or maybe she was just struggling against them—trying to hurt herself, whether she meant to or not—and they had to pin her down and hit her with an IV sedative to get things under control? It’s entirely possible someone had a hand on her neck during the chaos, too. If that happened, the whole experience would feel completely different. It looked similar. It’s suffocating.🤷
Look, it doesn't even matter if the staff had good intentions or not—that’s beside the point now. The reality is that you can make anyone feel like they're suffocating if you physically overpower them and hit them with a stronger sedative. It's just how it works.

I'm with you on this. There are ways to curb this kind of criminal behavior, but let's be honest—we live in a total circus where nothing ever changes.

That said, the level of dehumanization you described isn't exactly the norm. Sure, it happens, but seeing it on this scale is rare. These kinds of extreme environments are usually reserved for regimes like Nazi Germany or the USSR. Even back in the days of America, we saw flashes of it, but it wasn't nearly as widespread as what you're talking about.

Look, when I mentioned choking, I wasn't talking about her. I was using it as an example of how a non-aggressive patient who actually *wants* to be hospitalized (because of suicidal thoughts) gets handled... just an example of how things go down in our psych wards...

By the way, there was resuscitation too...

Look, people need to realize that once someone goes through something traumatic, they often don't want to deal with the legal fallout or keep rehashing it. They just want to move on and forget it ever happened. From what I've seen, not everyone has the stomach to go out there and fight for justice...

As for those non-profits being brought up, that’s a whole other mess. I happen to know how some of them actually operate, and you really have to question whether it's worth relying on an organization whose main goal is just using a case to boost their own profile—or specifically, to pump up one individual who loves the spotlight. It's less about helping the victim and more about media coverage. Just to be clear, I'm talking about one specific group here...

Honestly, the amount of shock over this thread is killing me. This kind of garbage is just business as usual in our psychiatric wards. We’re talking about tying patients to their beds because they got up to use the bathroom at night; doctors snickering, "Fine, you're getting a double dose now, let's see if you feel like messing around tomorrow"; laughing in a woman's face while she describes throwing her kid down a well; or just aggressively forcing meds on people without even trying a human approach first.

Dehumanization is basically standard operating procedure in a place like that. It’s clearly the only way anyone stays sane. Sure, there are exceptions—doctors who clash with administrators pushing these aggressive tactics—but the real question is whether they're too weak to fight back or just don't give a damn.

There was even a death at a hospital out in rural Maine due to workplace bullying. The director actually hung a memo on the wall where the staff were begging the state government for help, claiming management was running a "system of terror" (>). I guess she hung it there to show that they tried, but failed.

Look, people like that stay in power because that's how the politics work. You can't expect change when the system is rigged to keep them in charge, which makes any attempt to fix things feel totally pointless.

The real issue is the bigger picture—the mindset of the people here that allows this stuff to happen. In more developed countries, a politician who jumps parties loses their base instantly, but here, blatant corruption still wins votes. So how can you expect people to actually fight for "minor" issues like this?

Jose Barrett said:Give me a break!
When you have patients experiencing psychosis, they get an antipsychotic via IV. I mean, what else are you supposed to do if a patient suddenly snaps, punches a nurse in the eye, or breaks a doctor's collarbone? 🙄

For those kinds of "patients," you need to have a few trained professionals nearby who can actually handle someone having a sudden psychotic break.

Otherwise, you'd just sit there having a nice little chat with them, telling them their behavior isn't okay and suggesting they swing by for psychotherapy tomorrow at 4:00 PM to learn some anger management. 🤣

What are you even on about? I think you quoted the wrong post...

placidjackal36 said:Here in the States? Why would they even bother coming here? Why aren't they heading to Strasbourg? If the case is as airtight as they claim, they’d win there in a heartbeat. So what's the hold-up? No travel budget? Not a dime.
Something smells fishy to me. If this was legit, these NGOs would be teaming up just to get some momentum. I don't think you grasp how massive the implications of this actually are.

Then reach out and ask them yourself. 🙂

It's an attempted murder.

Yeah, I know..

Why do I feel like I'm talking to someone who doesn't realize how heavy this whole situation is?

I don't know... it's hard to explain how someone else feels.

The case is tied up in court right now... no matter how clear-cut it looks, things don't move as fast here as they do in China...

And about all those suspicions... Look, if you consider strangulation until someone loses consciousness a standard procedure used in psychiatric wards during voluntary stays—you know, when someone checks themselves in and needs to be restrained—then tying them up afterward is just business as usual. Nothing about this surprises me at all...

Jose Barrett said:Exactly.

I can't help but wonder if she was struggling with some underlying mental health issues—maybe that's what actually led to her being sent to state prison instead of just this specific incident.

The article was signed by the LGBTQ+ organization LORI, which makes the whole thing feel a bit skewed to me.

I’d prefer to hear the other side of the story before forming an opinion. It seems unfair to start throwing stones at doctors when there hasn't been any proof of wrongdoing yet.

Nah. The old geezers sent her there as a minor since they could, and then tried to pin a drug habit on her even though her blood work proved she was clean.

You could just go donate some blood and find out for yourself 🙂 it’s free, plus you get a free lunch out of it 🙂

I’ve got a buddy who downed a whole glass of gasoline and was totally fine... He thought he was grabbing some wine, but it was straight gas, and once he saw the glass starting to melt, he just chugged it even faster before the thing dissolved... honestly, maybe his body is just so used to being hammered on booze that it didn't even register, so it was just another Tuesday for him... but seriously, you should probably hit up a doctor if that happens to you.

So you'd rather just skip calling 911 because your mom doesn't want to deal with it? Or is it more about you avoiding the reality that she could end up with permanent damage for the rest of her life?

slybear13 said:look, I’ve been deep-diving into psychology since I was a kid. Honestly, I probably know more about OCD than most of you combined.

Books, papers, research articles—none of that ever actually gives you enough real-world competence to truly understand someone or help them. People aren't robots; everyone has their own unique way of being. If you just stick to what you read without accounting for how an individual actually functions—or if you let your own biases and experiences cloud your judgment—you're just heading down a dead end...

That’s why his take matters...

Anyway, stay on guard. If this starts causing issues at school, don't be surprised when they push some "expert" on you. Usually, those people are just there to satisfy the school's paperwork, not to actually help the kid...

Angela Wright said:I think it's way more dangerous when a parent—who isn't even a pro—starts handing out diagnoses to their own kid. Experts have to be the ones calling the shots here, especially nowadays when there’s so much you can actually do through rehab for kids with behavioral issues.

For sure. You just gotta remember that everyone sees things differently. Maybe the parent is just using a diagnosis to label a specific behavior (which is what looks like the case here) instead of defining their whole kid by some label...

Angela Wright said:Does the kid actually have an official OCD diagnosis?

Even if they do, the real question is whether it’s legit OCD or if they actually meet the clinical criteria. I’m working with a kid in therapy right now who was diagnosed with ADHD, but they don't have anything even remotely close to that. Here's the thing: once a poor kid gets slapped with a label, everyone starts seeing them through that lens. They start acting out to fit the mold, and then things just spiral. In my opinion, a diagnosis should just be a tool to understand what to expect from someone's behavior—it shouldn't define their entire identity. Unfortunately, that's not how the world works. Personally, I wouldn't raise a kid based on a label (if they don't even have one).

Melissa James70 said:The pediatric psychiatrists and therapists over at Mayo Clinic are top-tier. Contrary to what some people think, they aren't just drugging kids down; they actually sit them down and talk to them. DM me if you want names.

You don't "talk" your way out of OCD. You need specific methods because it’s not just cognitive—there’s a massive behavioral component involved. Period.

Right now in America, psychotherapy isn't strictly regulated for non-medical professionals. So, anyone practicing private therapy who isn't a psychiatrist-therapist is basically operating outside the rules, and clients are taking that risk on themselves.

I have no idea where you're getting that nonsense, but it’s dead wrong. The profession of "psychotherapist" isn't even legally defined in the US. Legally speaking, psychotherapy is a service provided by psychiatrists within their medical practices.

Psychologists acting as therapists aren't breaking any laws. They run counseling centers or work as psychological counselors—they're providing counseling. Having a psychotherapist certification on top of a psychology degree is just a bonus that makes their counseling better.

And if we’re going to nitpick the difference between "therapy" and "counseling," then most psychiatrists shouldn't be doing half their jobs either, since that falls under counseling too. Honestly, there's zero need to get hung up on legal technicalities here. What matters is finding the OP the best help possible. In my book, that means finding a therapist who specializes in kids and specifically handles OCD. Since psychologists tend to lean toward the therapeutic approaches that actually fix this stuff fast, they'll be easier to find. It's honestly absurd to drag a kid into psychodynamic therapy—which is what psychiatrists usually push via referrals—when it could actually make things worse.

slybear13 said:The real question is what I should actually do as a parent to make things easier for him. How should I handle him so it stays positive and he doesn't take my help the wrong way?

Did he actually tell you he wants help, or that he's struggling? Or is this just how you're reading the situation?

It’s pretty obvious—stealing toys, being greedy, hoarding stuff, hiding toys in secret spots, plus zero focus when trying to get anything done.

Stealing toys and having a short attention span isn't exactly OCD...

I'm not trying to fix my kid to be perfect, but when I remember how my own compulsive tendencies have made me see both heaven and hell more times than I can count, and I see it happening again, I feel like I have to act.

If it's actually messing with his ability to function, then find a therapist. Not some psychiatrist on an insurance referral who's just going to dump meds on him, but a private specialist trained specifically to deal with this. You can fix this easily if you go to the right person...

Honestly, it’s hard to tell from what you wrote if the issue is with you or the kid... You need to get specific about this OCD. How does it actually look? More importantly, what is the kid thinking and feeling about all this? Are they even aware of it?

Also, I want to know how this pushed you toward your creative side... If there really is an issue, finding a way to channel it creatively is a huge win. As a therapist, I'll tell you straight: that's way more effective than just trying to "fix" someone.

There is no way to predict how school will go. Everyone is different. He'll deal with it when he gets there. No matter how much we overthink or plan, life always throws a curveball. People mess up when they try to force a scenario that isn't happening, and that's usually where the real trouble starts.

Ronald Williams3 said:You know those condoms—I think they’re called Preforma—that come with some kind of special lubricant? I read somewhere online that some guys actually prefer them because they can last much longer, or sometimes they can't even reach the finish line. I suppose that's just a temporary fix, though—eventually, you'll probably be able to go longer naturally once you get past that initial... well, intensity of it all.👍

It’s not "special lube," it’s an anesthetic. It numbs everything out...

@Brenda Miller7

Look, regarding the actual issue, I don't know if this is a medical thing or more of a psychology thing... but you'll find a massive concentration of creeps who think they know everything in those circles, so...

Anyway, it's a sexual problem, so treat it like one. Doctors prescribe meds or creams because it's considered a side effect, and some psychiatrists actually write them out, which is pure stupidity in my book...

Premature ejaculation is probably the most common issue therapists deal with, so it's easy enough to fix...

Someone already suggested those timing exercises you can find online, and honestly, that's the best advice out there. Plus, since you seem to have a steady partner, you need to get her involved in the process too.

A solid technique is to stop right when you feel like you're hitting the point of no return, then have your partner wrap their hand around the base (facing you) and apply pressure with their thumb right on the frenulum area... hold it for a second, then get back to it.

There's also that "squeeze technique" where you squeeze hard to drive the blood away from the erection, but people don't really recommend it because there are easier ways... 😍

I'm not gonna list every single technique ever invented. Just look it up online and see what works for you. But listen: you need patience. I tell everyone this—sexual issues aren't fixed with a magic wand overnight, but if you actually take it seriously, you can fix them pretty fast.

Honestly, anything works as long as it isn't CBT. If you've got the cash to go private, just make sure your therapist isn't stuck in that CBT mindset. If you're trying to clear out old baggage so it stops haunting you now, Gestalt can actually be pretty useful. The people who adapt best to whatever you need are the cyberneticists, but I only know a few of them working privately over in Cleveland...

Check out the psychology subforum. There's a massive thread about psychics there—go dig through it. You might actually find something decent...

Look, regardless of the specific school of therapy, the most important thing is whether you actually vibe with the person. If you don't feel comfortable with your therapist, it doesn't matter what their method is. A good connection predicts progress way more than the type of therapy itself...