Conversion therapy" for lesbian girls in America and similar cases

I’m sitting here reading this tonight and I honestly can't wrap my head around the fact that this was actually happening over in Europe...
...is this still a thing, or was it just some weird outlier? If you look closely at the text, it sounds like it's still going on...

http://www.libela.org/libelin-interv...-dana-poslije/

What do you all think about this? Curious to hear everyone's take.

This is just insane! I mean, seriously, what is going on with those parents and doctors? It’s honestly wild how much craziness is actually out there in the world... I guess you really can't have everything, but still. They should be absolutely ashamed 👎

The documentary about Anne’s "Why?" was featured in the bio at this year's Sundance

I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of similar situations happening right now, too

Samuel James2 said:This is just insane! I mean, seriously, what is going on with those parents and doctors? It’s honestly wild how much craziness is actually out there in the world... I guess you really can't have everything, but still. They should be absolutely ashamed 👎

I'm basically just echoing what was said. I overslept, so I haven't had time to write out a whole essay on this... but when you let sick people try to "treat" healthy ones, this is exactly the kind of mess you get.
And that bitch psychiatrist? She probably belongs behind bars for life.

Rebecca Scott3 said:I’m sitting here reading this tonight and I honestly can't wrap my head around the fact that this was actually happening over in Europe...
...is this still a thing, or was it just some weird outlier? If you look closely at the text, it sounds like it's still going on...

http://www.libela.org/libelin-interv...-dana-poslije/

What do you all think about this? Curious to hear everyone's take.

I watched a documentary about Anne earlier and ended up crying like a baby.😢😢😢

It’s the classic scenario where you fail to meet your parents' impossible standards, so they basically drive you straight into a mental breakdown. Honestly, they have zero moral compass, but the real tragedy is the system that lets this happen—especially the so-called "specialists" who I would personally...😠
In a functional, rule-of-law country like the US, a victim of that kind of abuse would be able to sue the institution for damages, and those doctors would lose their medical licenses and end up working manual labor just to get by. But here? They’ll probably just get a pat on the back for their "good work"...👎

I first heard about this girl a few months back when her story hit the news cycle—I think she might have even done an interview on ABC...
Honestly, I was just stunned. It’s hard to wrap my head around the fact that things like this still happen in this day and age... 🤷
I mean, if her parents were already that intolerant—to the point where they couldn't accept their own daughter being gay and actually thought they could "cure" her of that "illness"😕
it really baffles me how the doctors and the administration at that facility could just sit there and agree to "treat" her in the first place...???? It’s honestly disgraceful!!! 🙂
My heart really goes out to her. I feel for her, and for anyone else who feels different, because it’s genuinely such a struggle to deal with a society that can be so incredibly closed-minded toward the LGBTQ+ community...
🙂

Angela Wright18: Society doesn't really have much tolerance for anyone who stands out from the crowd. I can only tell you this—if you aren't just like everyone else, you're screwed. Maybe they'll tolerate you, but they won't actually accept you. If they can't force you to conform, they'll just toss you aside like trash. It's a harsh reality, I guess.

Haven't seen the movie yet—but hey, I'll probably catch it when I get a chance.

Does anyone happen to know what the deal is with that doctor—or doctor, I think—is their paperwork finally sorted out, or are they still dealing with some kind of bureaucratic headache from the federal government?

placidwolf27 said:Does anyone happen to know what the deal is with that doctor—or doctor, I think—is their paperwork finally sorted out, or are they still dealing with some kind of bureaucratic headache from the federal government?

Yeah, I was wondering about that too.
Honestly, knowing how things work around here in the States, it wouldn't even surprise me if they were still working at the same old place...🤮

I think the doctor's been suspended. Ann sued the hospital—basically the whole county administration—so, knowing how the legal system works here in the States, this is going to drag on forever. Honestly, I don't even know if someone can come out of a mess like that with their sanity intact.

The whole situation is heavy because, in this country, we basically strip adults of their right to make their own damn decisions. Plus, you’ve got people being forced into treatment when they clearly don't want it.

But honestly, even beyond that, the linked article is just absolute nonsense, especially the intro.

It claims: "You're probably wondering how a doctor or the director of a psychiatric facility can be someone who, despite the scientifically proven fact that homosexuality isn't an illness—and which they 'treat' even though it's not even on the World Health Organization's list of diseases?"

There is no such "scientifically proven fact." Look, I'm not saying homosexuality is a disease, but I am saying there is no scientific proof backing up that specific claim. It seriously gets under my skin when authors let their blatant bias and lack of objectivity totally override the truth.

Exactly.

I can't help but wonder if she was struggling with some underlying mental health issues—maybe that's what actually led to her being sent to state prison instead of just this specific incident.

The article was signed by the LGBTQ+ organization LORI, which makes the whole thing feel a bit skewed to me.

I’d prefer to hear the other side of the story before forming an opinion. It seems unfair to start throwing stones at doctors when there hasn't been any proof of wrongdoing yet.

This case is something else because it perfectly illustrates how the media operates these days. Getting to the truth feels almost impossible; you just have to guess based on your own experience and whatever world knowledge you happen to have. Specifically, this whole thing has become a rallying cry for the LGBTQ+ community, though that doesn't necessarily mean what they're saying isn't true. It’s just... being used biasedly.

If everything is accurate, we're looking at a connection between Ann's family and certain staff at the hospital in Springfield... multiple laws being broken... if the main facts hold up, it's scandalous... and the former director probably deserves to lose her license for life and face years in prison... assuming the reports are right.

Patrick Wright2 said:The whole situation is heavy because, in this country, we basically strip adults of their right to make their own damn decisions. Plus, you’ve got people being forced into treatment when they clearly don't want it.

But honestly, even beyond that, the linked article is just absolute nonsense, especially the intro.

It claims: "You're probably wondering how a doctor or the director of a psychiatric facility can be someone who, despite the scientifically proven fact that homosexuality isn't an illness—and which they 'treat' even though it's not even on the World Health Organization's list of diseases?"

There is no such "scientifically proven fact." Look, I'm not saying homosexuality is a disease, but I am saying there is no scientific proof backing up that specific claim. It seriously gets under my skin when authors let their blatant bias and lack of objectivity totally override the truth.

I completely agree. Not only is there no scientific fact stating homosexuality isn't a disease, but even its causes are unknown. Is it genetic, hormonal, acquired...? Homosexuality is a sexual orientation—natural, sure, but a deviation from the majority, and viewing it that way is itself a deviation. Does homosexuality need "treatment"? Today, political correctness dominates, but it isn't as simple as people think. Still, forced "treatment" is madness. But let's be real—homosexuality can become a problem because more impulses can clash in ways impossible for hetero or bisexual people—specifically, the desire for motherhood or fatherhood, which can't be achieved naturally within a homosexual community.

Jose Barrett said:Exactly.

I can't help but wonder if she was struggling with some underlying mental health issues—maybe that's what actually led to her being sent to state prison instead of just this specific incident.

The article was signed by the LGBTQ+ organization LORI, which makes the whole thing feel a bit skewed to me.

I’d prefer to hear the other side of the story before forming an opinion. It seems unfair to start throwing stones at doctors when there hasn't been any proof of wrongdoing yet.

Even if she did, several laws were still broken—there's a court case underway, after all. But yeah, the case has definitely become biased.

mistymason1 said:This case is something else because it perfectly illustrates how the media operates these days. Getting to the truth feels almost impossible; you just have to guess based on your own experience and whatever world knowledge you happen to have. Specifically, this whole thing has become a rallying cry for the LGBTQ+ community, though that doesn't necessarily mean what they're saying isn't true. It’s just... being used biasedly.

If everything is accurate, we're looking at a connection between Ann's family and certain staff at the hospital in Springfield... multiple laws being broken... if the main facts hold up, it's scandalous... and the former director probably deserves to lose her license for life and face years in prison... assuming the reports are right.

I completely agree. Not only is there no scientific fact stating homosexuality isn't a disease, but even its causes are unknown. Is it genetic, hormonal, acquired...? Homosexuality is a sexual orientation—natural, sure, but a deviation from the majority, and viewing it that way is itself a deviation. Does homosexuality need "treatment"? Today, political correctness dominates, but it isn't as simple as people think. Still, forced "treatment" is madness. But let's be real—homosexuality can become a problem because more impulses can clash in ways impossible for hetero or bisexual people—specifically, the desire for motherhood or fatherhood, which can't be achieved naturally within a homosexual community.

Even if she did, several laws were still broken—there's a court case underway, after all. But yeah, the case has definitely become biased.

Fair enough.
But just because there's a lawsuit doesn't automatically mean "laws were broken."
If you want to be a total legalist, you really have to wait for the final verdict.

Jose Barrett said:Fair enough.
But just because there's a lawsuit doesn't automatically mean "laws were broken."
If you want to be a total legalist, you really have to wait for the final verdict.

But if what's being reported is true, then yeah, laws were broken. Let's not act like those typical DC politicians. Just let the court do its thing. Let it work. Thank God it's actually working! 😍

Jose Barrett said:Exactly.

I can't help but wonder if she was struggling with some underlying mental health issues—maybe that's what actually led to her being sent to state prison instead of just this specific incident.

The article was signed by the LGBTQ+ organization LORI, which makes the whole thing feel a bit skewed to me.

I’d prefer to hear the other side of the story before forming an opinion. It seems unfair to start throwing stones at doctors when there hasn't been any proof of wrongdoing yet.

Nah. The old geezers sent her there as a minor since they could, and then tried to pin a drug habit on her even though her blood work proved she was clean.

I honestly feel like we need another 10 to 20 years of intensive care for both the parents and the doctor who let this happen... there’s a very clear reason for that. When you have parents capable of causing this much damage to their own child, they clearly aren't mentally stable. And as for the doctor? The one who facilitated everything and made this whole nightmare possible? It's obvious her mind is completely fractured. She absolutely needs to be institutionalized and treated before she can go out and hurt anyone else.

If everything the media is reporting is actually true, we’re looking at a crime that feels more like something you'd see prosecuted at the Nuremberg trials.

But is that really the whole story? And more importantly, is it even true? Look, I’m not saying it isn't, but think about the implications here. If this story holds water, the consequences would be massive. The victims would have an open-and-shut case if they took this to the human rights courts in Washington, D.C., and we'd be seeing heads roll at the highest levels.

The reality is, we’re living in a total circus of a country where the government employs all sorts of criminals. You find them embedded in our high-level courts, which is why we even bother with outside oversight—though even then, you have to say "relatively independent" rather than just "independent." It's a necessary precaution because you have to assume these crooks have connections everywhere; there isn't a single clean institution left in the US.

Has the victim actually done anything besides give statements to the press? If things are truly as dire as they claim, they should have those big NGOs backing them up. I wouldn't dream of thinking an organization dedicated to fighting for these specific rights wouldn't be milking this case for every bit of publicity possible. (The American nonprofits dealing with general human rights are pretty weak and mostly exist on paper—which is exactly why so much horrific stuff happens in this country without anyone ever finding out.)

So, what are we waiting for? Where is this glorious, landslide victory they're supposed to have?