lonegardener said:I don't quite follow that logic... It’s like you're claiming "X" definitely exists, but we're all just using different definitions for it. For one person, "X" might be nothing more than lounging on the sofa watching Netflix, while for someone else, it could be anything from skydiving to bungee jumping. 🤣
The core issue is that whenever someone uses the word "love," they’re usually just using a vague placeholder. In almost every instance, you could find a much more precise term—or a specific combination of terms—that actually describes what that person is feeling. That’s why I don't really see the utility in such a broad label; more often than not, it just leads to unnecessary misunderstandings.
I tend to view the concept of "love" through a mystical lens. But since I’m a general atheist, that creates a bit of a paradox: if I don't believe in the mystical, I struggle to believe in "love" as such a lofty, ethereal thing. It’s a bit of a catch-22, isn't it? Instead, I prefer using more grounded terms. To me, what people call love is really just a specific blend of attraction, affinity, benevolence, loyalty, and trust. Don't you think those terms provide much more clarity? 🤷
It’s even more straightforward than people realize. Like I mentioned before, jealousy is really just a byproduct of fearing you'll lose something you perceive as valuable. So, when someone is being selfish toward their partner, that jealousy is bound to show up—it's essentially just the fear of losing what they think they currently possess.
Exactly. Isn't that just old-school wisdom? "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Sure, there’s always someone out there who seems much, much "better" for anyone. But why would you let go of the bird you're actually holding 🤣 just to chase after a pigeon you might never even catch?
That's not really an epiphany; it's more like self-consolation. But hey, that's fine. Everyone needs a little comfort now and then...
Excessive jealousy leads to destruction, provided the relationship is asymmetrical. In other words, the "overly jealous" person is deeply attached, while the other party isn't quite feeling it. It goes back to what I mentioned earlier: the idea of settling for "anything rather than nothing." 😠
Or, they're with you because there's nothing better on the horizon right now... which doesn't mean something won't pop up tomorrow. You have to stay "on guard," don't you? Otherwise, you might miss a better opportunity and spend your whole life without ever seeing what else is out there. 😬
The other question is how people tolerate one another if they both secretly go through these kinds of mental gymnastics. To me, that's a total mystery.
Now that's a debate for Drew Morgan, LOL.
You experience love as something mystical because you feel its weight, yet finding the right words to describe it feels almost impossible. It’s one of those things that defies explanation. Ernest Hemingway once captured this perfectly when he described love and friendship as simply "that which happens," leaving us to wonder exactly why.
To me, love is best defined through concepts.
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Commitment. It’s that moment when all the masks finally slip, leaving you completely exposed before the person you love. That is the closest definition I can find. I agree with you—it's much better to find different ways to express it. Honestly, the most nonsensical phrase of all is "I love you." It sounds so hollow to me that the moment someone actually says it, that's exactly when I start doubting if they even mean it. 🤣
It just occurred to me: if you view the concept of love through a "mystical" lens, can you honestly still call yourself an atheist? 😬
It’s even easier to spot in those places. As I’ve said before, jealousy is really just a byproduct of fearing you might lose something you perceive as valuable. So, when someone acts selfishly toward their partner, they're essentially driven by that fear—the dread that they might lose what they currently believe belongs to them.
That borders on being possessive. Actually, now that I think about it, there’s a razor-thin line between possession and jealousy. The ultimate act of love would be to "let go" to ensure the person we love finds happiness—even if that happiness doesn't include us. However, I suspect that perspective feels devastatingly hollow to the one being left behind. It is simply human nature to feel pain when losing someone you care about, and frankly, to feel jealous if that person finds bliss in someone else's arms. I don't understand why people insist on denying this or labeling the feeling as some kind of "disorder." 🤷
It’s essentially that old adage: "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Sure, there’s always someone out there who is infinitely "better" suited for any given role, or some grander opportunity waiting just around the corner. But honestly, why would you let go of what you actually have right now just to chase a shadow? 🤣 If you were going out to hunt pigeons—assuming you even managed to catch one—which kind would you go after?
Hunting for the right pigeon would be quite the challenge, but how can you ever be sure it’s actually the one you’re looking for?
It’s not about gaining insight; it’s just how you comfort yourself. But hey, that’s fine—everyone needs a little solace now and then.
I wouldn't call this comfort; it's more like an acceptance of reality. You can't actually "prevent" anyone from doing what they set their mind to if that’s what they truly want to do. And honestly, why bother beating yourself up over it? You can't stop bullshit from happening—you can only be aware that it is.
Excessive jealousy is a fast track to self-destruction, especially when the relationship is one-sided. When one partner is obsessively jealous, it’s usually because they’re clinging to someone who isn't actually invested in them. It boils down to that bleak principle: "anything is better than nothing." 😠
Look, I'm sticking with you because, frankly, there isn't anything better on the horizon right now... though that doesn't mean something won't pop up tomorrow. You have to stay sharp. If you aren't paying attention, you might just let a massive opportunity slip through your fingers, wasting your life by failing to make the most of the options actually sitting in front of you. 😬
In relationships, that dynamic is almost always asymmetrical. One person inevitably cares more than the other. I suspect truly symmetrical connections are incredibly rare—if they even exist at all.
It’s a completely different matter how people actually tolerate one another when they both know, fundamentally, that these kinds of mental processes are happening on both sides. To me, honestly, it's a total mystery.
To would be my definition of an "ideal relationship." Is there anything more beautiful than complete, unvarnished honesty?
To have a discussion with Drew Morgan, LOL.
I can't think of anything. 🤣