Singapore GP (Marina Bay Street Circuit) - 09/22/2013

graniteharbor502 said:I don't recall him being anything close to brilliant even before the mechanical failure hit.

Yeah, well—if I recall correctly, Mark Webber wasn't exactly cruising through clean air either.

graniteharbor502 said:I don't recall Webber being anything close to brilliant even before the breakdown.

Exactly. Neither fast nor reliable.
That's how they view Webber. It’s hardly surprising he has no desire to be part of that circus anymore.

David Anderson72 said:Well, there you have it; neither quick nor reliable.
That is how they view Mark Webber, isn't it? It really is hardly any surprise that he no longer wishes to be a part of that entire organization.

What on earth are you talking about? Vettel secured pole position, while Webber only managed fourth—and even then, it took him two goes in Q3 to get there. And one shouldn't forget, can we? Webber is actually quite the specialist when it comes to qualifying.

shadowstag10 said:I don't recall him ever actually driving in clean air myself.

I certainly don't remember him qualifying with the intention of enjoying any clean air... It would be more accurate to say that Fernando Alonso was simply pulling away from him lap after lap during that opening stint...

graniteharbor502 said:I don't recall him qualifying in clean air, if that's even a thing... let's just say Fernando Alonso was basically pulling away from him lap after lap during that first stint...

It’s because Red Bull Racing is absolute garbage in dirty air, just go ask The Best NASCAR driver about it. ☕

Jason Campbell70 after reading some of these forum posts:

darkmarlin16 said:The reason is simply that Red Bull Racing struggles when dealing with dirty air; if you don't believe me, just look at what happened to TBF1. ☕

If he was trailing by more than four seconds, then he wasn't even fighting in the dirty air anymore, was he?

graniteharbor502 said:If he’s pulling a gap of more than four seconds, he isn't just fighting dirty air anymore.

Did it ever cross your mind that driving like a maniac like that absolutely trashes the Red Bull tires?

I mean, we literally heard the team radio sounding exactly like that around lap 4 or 5.

Michael Diaz4 said:Bravo. Schumacher joined a struggling Ferrari and turned them into winners after two decades... Vettel joined a top-tier team and just rode their coattails... The greats pull the best out of mediocre teams, elevate them to the podium, and that's how you build legendary outfits...

Vettel actually joined a squad that snagged 6 wins in its very first season (4 for Vettel, 2 for Webber), along with 10 other podium finishes (4 for Vettel, 6 for Webber).
A team that ended up having the fastest car on the grid by the end of that season.

What kind of "top-tier team" are you talking about? 🙂

Tyler Bennett5 said:Just look at the stands today—or any race—you see Red Bull flags, Williams, Force India, Toro Rosso. Maybe a few McLaren ones here and there, but that's it.
Go ahead, tell me Ferrari fans aren't twice as numerous as everyone else combined.
I'll believe you as much as I'd believe TBF1 when they claim Red Bull isn't currently dominating.

Oh, please...
At every single race, we see heaps of Spanish flags. We know who they belong to.
Every race, a sea of Finnish flags. We know who they represent.
Every race, a mass of British flags. Since so many say "LEWIS," we know exactly who they're for.

Vettel flags? Vettel fans? Well... there's basically none.

Why? Honestly, the guy can't even attract the casual glory hunters.

Jason Campbell70 said:Oh, man...
At every single race, you see this massive sea of Spanish flags. We all know who they’re flying for.
Every race, there's a huge crowd waving Finnish flags. Obviously, we know whose side they're on.
And then there's the endless wave of British flags—half of them have "LEWIS" plastered all over them, so yeah, we get the hint.

As for Vettel's flags? Or even Vettel's fans? Well... let's just say they're nonexistent.

Why? Because, honestly, the guy can't even manage to attract the glory hunters.

I mean, Germany is such a small player, even Schumacher didn't really pull in a massive following.

shadowstag10 said:Did it ever occur to you that driving like that might actually be destroying the Red Bull tires?

We even heard the team radio echoing that exact sentiment around lap four or five.

It really does raise some curious questions, doesn't it, when one considers how he maintained such close proximity to the cars ahead following his first pit stop? And isn't it somewhat peculiar how everyone seems so eager to conjure up every conceivable technical explanation for Sebastian Vettel's brilliant performance, rather than simply admitting the truth—which is that the German driver just delivered another absolutely phenomenal race?

graniteharbor502 said:What are you even talking about? Vettel snagged pole, while Webber barely scraped fourth—and he had to go at it twice in Q3 just to get there. And mind you, Webber is basically a qualifying specialist.

Oh yeah, okay—you explain to me how Webber went from being 9-11 against Vettel in qualifying last season to sitting at a measly 0-12 now?

Did Vettel somehow find an extra half-second of pace over the winter or something?

graniteharbor502 said:It’s just weird how he was hanging right on their bumpers after that first pit stop. And honestly, it’s kind of sketchy how everyone is scrambling to find every possible excuse for why Vettel was so fast—anything to avoid just admitting the German actually drove a freaking masterclass.

Wait, so we're pretending it was weird that they were on different tires?

Since when did people start saying Vettel didn't drive an absolute beast of a race?
I mean, sure, he killed it, but trying to hype up a win when his car was basically two seconds faster than the rest of the field... it kinda defeats the whole point, doesn't it?

shadowstag10 said:But honestly, does anyone actually find it impressive when someone wins just because their car is two seconds faster than everyone else? It kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

What's the issue here?

Vettel. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
A masterclass. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

shadowstag10 said:Why don't you try explaining to me how Webber was somehow 9-11 against Vettel in qualifying last season, yet now he’s sitting at 0-12?

Did Vettel really manage to find half a second of pace over him during the winter break?

Is it a matter of age? Is it a lack of motivation? Or perhaps we should look back at that tire drama from last year? What is the actual point of all this?

shadowstag10 said:Isn't it strange that they were using different tires?

And who exactly is claiming that Vettel didn't put in a phenomenal race performance?
But honestly, isn't there little sense in praising a victory when the car was two seconds faster than the rest of the field?

Two seconds? Perhaps if the car were in Vettel's hands. In Webber's hands, that same machine was merely fighting for a spot on the podium.

graniteharbor502 said:Years of experience? Motivation? That tire disaster from last season? What's even the point here?

The "point" is you just answered your own damn question.

graniteharbor502 said:Two seconds? Maybe if you're talking about Vettel's hands. In Webber's hands, that car was fighting for a podium.

graniteharbor502 said:Years of experience? Motivation?

So what—either Webber is currently a desperate driver, sitting two whole seconds behind the rest of the grid?
Or you're seriously out here claiming Vettel is two seconds faster than everyone else?

shadowstag10 said:Does this imply that Mark Webber is currently an utterly desperate driver, lagging two full seconds behind the rest of the grid?
Or are you making the responsible claim that Sebastian Vettel is actually two seconds faster than everyone else?

Now, these stories about a two-second gap—which might sound like something out of a fairy tale for children—are not merely figments of my imagination. If one looks at yesterday's qualifying session, was it not true that Sebastian Vettel was faster than Nico Rosberg by nearly a tenth of a second? Furthermore, it is not as if he was pulling away from the competition by two seconds on every single lap; rather, it occurred specifically when the situation demanded it and when the other cars and drivers simply could not meet the challenge. It leads me to wonder, is it not possible that I am correct in believing that no other driver, regardless of their talent, could possibly pilot that Red Bull Racing machine with such incredible speed as Sebastian Vettel does?

graniteharbor502 said:Look, I didn't just pull these "two-second stories" out of thin air—it's not like I'm making up fairy tales for toddlers here. Man, Vettel was absolutely flying in qualifying yesterday—he actually clocked in just under a tenth of a second faster than Rosberg.And let's be real here—it’s not like every single lap was two seconds faster than everyone else, okay? It wasn't exactly a walk in the park. Only when it actually mattered, though. And that’s when everyone else—every other driver and every single damn car on the grid—was basically just out of their league. They weren't even close to being on the same level. Honestly, I’m convinced that no driver on this planet could handle that Red Bull Racing machine quite like Sebastian Vettel did—it's just a fact.

Are you talking about that first qualifying session where Sebastian Vettel basically checked out, pulled a complete disappearing act, and just sat there watching TV while everyone else was actually grinding to try and catch his pace?

That second bold move? Yeah, we’re all on the same page there—honestly, they could've pulled stuff like that off way more often if they actually had the guts.

Maybe it’s the third bold move—I don't know—but anyway, whatever. Goodnight, everyone.

shadowstag10 said:Are you perhaps referring to those qualifying sessions where Sebastian Vettel was completely off his game, staring at the television screen while everyone else fought tooth and nail just to get within striking distance of him?

Regarding the second bold move—wouldn't we all agree that such decisive action could have been taken more frequently?

Perhaps a third bold move remains on the horizon, though I cannot say for certain; regardless, goodnight to everyone.

And that is precisely why he stands above the rest, isn't it? Goodnight to you all!

Jason Campbell70 said:Pilatus after reading some of these forum posts:

So, should we start a GoFundMe for my new keyboard and monitor?🤣