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The officials pulled Lewis aside—basically gave him a "hey, watch it, don't do that again" kind of warning.
Next time... consider this your first warning. You get one more after this, and then we’re handing you a yellow card and a fine. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Arthur Doyle70 said:Maybe at that exact moment, Hamilton just lost his nerve—or maybe he got a sudden toothache from the radiation coming off his grandpa's car. Or perhaps he caught a cramp in his leg because he was constantly jamming the fuel flow valve? It’s possible Nicole called him over the radio right then, or maybe he just fell asleep from sheer boredom and ended up tailgating his grandpa. Who knows? Maybe he was stuck in second gear because he's struggling with the controls, or perhaps the ghost of Rubens decided to haunt him. He could have been stalking his prey like a cheetah before pouncing, or maybe he lit a cigarette and waited for a chance to overtake once he finished his smoke... It’s even possible that McLaren called the FIA at that very moment to ask if Michael is even allowed to overtake and if there's a penalty for doing so. Perhaps this move was his way of announcing who the new king of Formula 1 is, or maybe Mercedes throttled back his engine RPM just so he wouldn't embarrass his grandpa. Heck, maybe he just had a sudden physical distraction that jammed the air intake and slowed the car down...

So, anything is possible....😬

But from what I saw, it looks more like a brilliantly calculated move by Hamilton..
And isn't it funny how McLaren and Mercedes seem to be neck-and-neck in performance, but the second they pass the Mercedes car, suddenly McLaren is the fastest thing in the universe? Apparently, they've got warp drive, the drivers have no bones, and the car actually levitates above the track so they don't even wear out their tires... you get the idea...🤣🤣🤣🤣

Honestly, I really don't have the energy to engage with posts like this..
Just this:
🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

I honestly don't even know how to respond to a post like that...😬

It's just a total mess...☕

What I was actually getting at was the braking point during the turn and how he overtook on the opposite side of the entry; Lewis defended the left side, Hamilton slammed on the brakes, found a gap on the right, and that was that. All this talk about performance and having an untouchable car just doesn't hold up, especially when you look at Rosberg finishing third...
And then someone immediately jumps in to pile on Hamilton without making any real point—even though I explicitly pointed out the 0:15 mark, meaning I was talking strictly about that specific move—so yeah, that kind of thing gets under my skin a bit.🤣

Maybe we should just start spraying the whole track with water from here on out, you know? Might actually make things worth watching if they did that.

stormybadger8 said:btw, Robert Kubica, Vitali Petrov, and Jenson Button spent a full minute longer in the pits than the rest of the field. Without that specific strategic blunder, they wouldn't just be fighting for points—they'd be at the front. Honestly, even Michael Schumacher would have been faster than Nico Rosberg in this race given that kind of pit lane deficit.😲

This was quite clearly a race defined by poor strategic calls.

That argument is doubly flawed. First off, you’re cherry-picking a single strategic decision to support your point while completely ignoring the safety car, which wiped out everyone's advantages and essentially hit the reset button on the entire race.

Second, when a driver builds a lead, they don't drive like reckless amateurs; they drive to minimize risk. They slow down, manage their tires, preserve the engine, and simply maintain the gap. There is absolutely no logical reason for someone with a comfortable lead to charge blindly like someone desperately trying to close a gap. Risk is a tool used only by those who stand to gain from it. I’m certain even Sebastian Vettel wasn't driving at absolute limit during the last race once he secured the lead; he was simply managing the situation.

Therefore, comparing total race time against total pit stop time is a fundamentally misguided way to analyze the outcome.

Jenson Button...man, he's great. I have to say it again even though he's just not my kind of guy. But the man drives like a freaking professor—it's clinical. Sure, there are guys out there who are faster, but he's brilliant because he just doesn't mess up. It’s like he somehow "absorbed" the experience of every driver who ever lived.

Robert Kubica...props to him, absolutely stellar performance again.

Fernando Alonso...solid, but honestly, he should've done better.

Nico Rosberg...fast, incredibly fast, but he always finds a way to slip up... he just doesn't have "it," you know?

Felipe Massa...this has to be the absolute peak of his career. After fighting tooth and nail during the race, he actually overtook Michael Schumacher to grab 9th place...unforgettable stuff for him.

Lewis Hamilton...once again, the most aggressive one out there—I’d even go as far as to say he looked the fastest—but Jenson Button just systematically dismantled him.

Sebastian Vettel...a total disaster, and don't go blaming Christian Horner for that. He's got a fantastic car, he’s usually a beast in the rain, yet he's nowhere to be found in the race. I don't get it, this happens to him way too often...I'm starting to think he might not actually have what it takes to be a champion (even if I am rooting for him).

Schumi...it's blindingly obvious something is wrong with that car...you could really see it when Vitali Petrov blew past him—and the camera was right on Schumacher's onboard—on a straightaway, like his Renault had an extra 100 horsepower or something.
Schumacher needs a new car tailored specifically to him. I don't know if anyone here realizes this, but Schumi never liked cars where the front end feels loose—which is exactly the problem with the current Mercedes. Word is the new car will have a completely different balance. It'll be interesting to see how Rosberg handles that one and if he prefers the current setup more. If you ask me...let Rosberg enjoy these days while he's still outrunning Schumacher, because I've got a bad feeling it won't last long.

And seriously, quit calling him Grandpa. What is wrong with you people? He's literally a year younger than me.

What’s everyone else’s take on that recent Scuderia Ferrari Safety Car deployment?

I honestly feel like they could have handled it much more simply by just closing the pits—maybe some yellow flags in that tricky section—rather than calling out the Safety Car. It felt like a massive blow to the leaders at such a critical moment.

Arthur Doyle70 said:I honestly don't even know how to respond to that post....😬

It’s just a complete mess...☕

What I was actually getting at was the braking into the corner and how he overtook on the opposite side from his entry—since Grandpa defended the left side, Lewis Hamilton braked hard and timed it perfectly to exploit the gap on the right, and that was that. Plus, all this talk about performance and having an incredibly dominant car just doesn't hold up, especially considering Rosberg's third-place finish...
And then, when someone immediately jumps in to attack Hamilton without any real argument—even though I specifically pointed out the 0:15 mark, meaning I was referring strictly to that one move—well, it gets me a little frustrated. 🤣

That was a move a whole bunch of drivers would have made today... if you're looking for spectacular, it wasn't really it... ☕
If you brought up some of Lewis Hamilton's other moves, sure, okay... but this was just a standard, textbook maneuver.
But seriously, did you really not notice how much faster Hamilton's car was on the straights?
And what does Rosberg's car have to do with this? 🤷 Rosberg is driving his car, and Schumi is driving his... ☕

And yeah, I still think it's a shame that Hamilton spent so much time stuck behind Grandpa in such a superior car—and it's entirely possible that cost him the win. Pay attention to the word "possible"... I assume you know what that implies...
So, feel free to stay annoyed if you like... ☕

nimblesurfer17 said:It was just some standard move any random driver would have pulled today... nothing spectacular about it..☕
If you were talking about some of Lewis Hamilton's signature moves, sure, maybe... but this was just a totally normal maneuver..
Besides, did you seriously not notice how much faster Hamilton's car was on the straights?
And what does Rosberg's car have to do with any of this? 🤷 Rosberg is driving his car, Schumi is driving his..☕

And yeah, I still think it’s a damn shame that Hamilton spent so much time stuck behind Grandpa despite having such a superior car, and honestly, it probably cost him the win..
So go ahead, stay bitter if it helps.☕

Everyone’s entitled to their own take, so just say what's on your mind.😉

I brought up Rosberg because he’s in the same garage as his teammate, and the reality is he's been more competitive than him since the season kicked off—plus he grabbed a podium today right behind that McLaren duo... so that whole "superior car" argument doesn't really hold water. If you want to argue, find a better angle, because saying McLaren and Mercedes have less downforce compared to Red Bull or Ferrari is just plain wrong, even if McLaren looks like the fastest team right now... it's nowhere near the truth. It would only be a "superiority" issue if we were comparing someone in a Lotus to someone in a Red Bull... that's the kind of gap we're talking about. There you go.

Jason Campbell70 said:I honestly feel like they could've just handled this by closing the pits (maybe throwing some yellow flags on that tricky section), instead of calling out the SC which totally screwed over the leaders at that point in the race.

totally
man, I was sitting there wondering what the hell the SC was even doing out there... 👎

Jason Campbell70 said:What’s everyone else’s take on that last Safety Car deployment?

I can't help but feel this could have been handled much more cleanly by simply closing the pit lane—maybe throwing some yellow flags at the problematic section—rather than calling out the Safety Car, which ended up doing a massive amount of damage to the leaders' race positions.

It felt a bit excessive to shut down the whole track over that one incident.
Then again, I'm not entirely sure what their standard protocol is for shutting down pit stops or how they communicate those calls to the drivers in real-time...

Arthur Doyle70 said:Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion—just let me know what you think! 😉

I brought up Nico Rosberg because he’s driving for the same team as his teammate, and the reality is he's been more competitive than him since the start of the season—he even grabbed a podium today, right behind that McLaren duo... so, that whole "the car is just way superior" argument doesn't really hold water. If you want to disagree, try a different angle. Besides, McLaren and Mercedes both have less downforce compared to Red Bull or Scuderia Ferrari, even if McLaren feels like the fastest right now—which, honestly, isn't quite the full story. It would be a different conversation if someone were driving a Lotus while someone else was in a Red Bull; then we'd be talking about a massive performance gap... there you go.

Personally, I'm thrilled with where Rosberg is sitting right now, especially since I've been rooting for him this season...
I'm not sure if you caught that article I shared earlier regarding which driver the Mercedes car suits better. That isn't meant to be an excuse for Michael Schumacher; it's simply a fact.
And look, Rosberg is doing great—he's fighting for podiums—while Schumi is out there struggling for 7th, 8th, or 9th place...
In this specific scenario, the real metric is how much faster Lewis Hamilton's car was compared to Schumacher's... and I think anyone watching the race could see that clearly. It looked like Schumi was standing still—man, Lewis Hamilton really should have cleared him sooner.
And since you brought up Rosberg, Lewis Hamilton was actually much faster than him on the straights; I was just rewatching the footage, so yeah...
Today, Lewis Hamilton's car had the edge over the Mercedes chassis: that advantage was even more pronounced on Schumacher's car than it was on Rosberg's, but that's just the reality of it.

nimblesurfer17 said:I’m actually pretty happy seeing Rosberg where he is right now, especially since I’ve been pulling for him all season...
I'm not sure if you caught that article I shared about whose car was actually performing better within the Mercedes garage... look, I'm not trying to make excuses for Schumi, it's just an observation...
And yeah, fine, Rosberg is doing his thing and fighting for podiums while Schumi is stuck fighting for 7th or 8th...
In a race like this, the only thing that really matters is how much faster Hamilton's car was compared to Schumi's... and honestly, anyone watching the race could see it clearly... Schumi looked like he was standing still, man; Lewis should have cleared him way sooner...
And if you want to bring up Rosberg, Lewis was significantly faster than him on the straights too—I was just rewatching the footage—so there's that...
Today, Hamilton's car had the edge over the Mercedes... and that advantage was even more obvious when looking at Schumi's car compared to Rosberg's, but that's just the reality of it...

Basically, that technical advantage didn't show up nearly as much for the faster Mercedes driver, which is Rosberg right now...
If Lewis could have shaken him off faster, he would have, but you know how it goes—Grandpa knew how to defend his line, and he always had a few dirty tricks left up his sleeve...😉

Arthur Doyle70 said:So, in other words, that edge showed up more with the faster Mercedes driver—which at this moment would be Nico Rosberg...
Well, if he could have shaken him off sooner, he totally could have—but honestly, Grandpa was holding his own in those defensive lines; he always seems to have one more little trick up his sleeve when things get tight...😉

There we go, we're finally on the same page...😉
That’s exactly what I was getting at...

Nicole Reyes97 said:😲 What a total mess, 😲 I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this in my life 🙏

Monza 2000 ☕

It felt like I just caught a glimpse of the one lone Massa supporter left in all of America, going by the handle crotomy 😍

nimblesurfer17 said:It’s totally possible that Michael Schumacher cost Lewis the win today—I mean, he kept him tucked in right behind him for two and a half laps. Lewis was running about 2.3 seconds faster per lap during those stretches, so I don't see anything particularly amazing about how Lewis made his move..☕
Actually, staying stuck behind Grandpa for that long in such a dominant car should probably be a bit worrying..😁

Like someone mentioned over on the BBC, they just gave him way too much respect... besides that, Jenson Button definitely deserved the win more than Lewis today. The main thing is that they managed to push McLaren back to the top!

Bradley Nelson2 said:Prestić made a total rookie move out there on the plains 🤣

Cry, cry, cry... hahaha

wiredtiger8 said:Sebastian Vettel is just struggling—and honestly, I don't think Christian Horner is to blame here. He's got a killer car and he usually shines when it rains, yet he’s just invisible during the actual race. It happens to him way too often... part of me wonders if he's actually got what it takes to be a world champ (even though I'm rooting for him!).

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wiredtiger8 said:Jenson Button... look, I really don't want to say this because I'm not exactly his biggest fan, but the guy is incredible. He drives like a damn professor. Sure, there are drivers out there who are faster, but he’s brilliant because he just doesn't make mistakes. It's like he somehow absorbed the experience of every driver who ever lived.

Kubica... seriously, he killed it again. Respect.

Alonso's alright... but he should've done better.

Nico Rosberg... fast, yeah, incredibly fast. But he always finds a way to mess up. He's just not built for it.

Massa... this has gotta be his career peak. After fighting like hell during the race, he actually managed to overtake Schumacher to grab 9th place. Truly an unforgettable moment for him.

Hamilton was being aggressive again today. Honestly, he looked like the fastest guy out there, but Jenson Button still managed to shut him down and take the win.

Vettel is a disaster. And before you start, no, this isn't on Christian Horner. He’s got a killer car and he’s usually a beast in the rain, yet he still manages to vanish from the race. It happens way too often. Honestly? I'm starting to think he just doesn't have what it takes to be a champion—even if I do root for him.

Schumi... clearly something was off with that car. You could see it most clearly when Vitali Petrov blew past him on the straight—the onboard camera from Schumi's car made it look like that Renault had at least 100 extra horsepower.
Schumacher needs a car built specifically for his driving style. I don't know if everyone here realizes this, but Schumi always hated cars with an oversteering front end—which is exactly what the current Mercedes is. Word is the new car will have a totally different balance. It’ll be fascinating to see how Rosberg handles that change, or if he actually prefers sticking with what he has now. Personally? Let Rosberg enjoy these days where he's outrunning Schumacher while he can. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Give him a break and stop calling him Grandpa. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? He’s literally a year younger than I am.

I’m with you on everything else, but you’re totally overlooking one thing regarding Sebastian Vettel. That "ultra smart" strategy basically tossed him from 1st to 15th place within the first four or five laps. He was stuck behind the entire field, and to make matters worse, the crew didn't even get his tires changed on time during that first pit stop. Look, the kid is good—he trips up occasionally—but more often than not, it's the team that screws up. They clearly aren't thinking through who needs to be where and why. This kind of amateur stupidity just shouldn't be happening.🤦

I honestly think his biggest issue is either trusting the crew too much or just lacking any real authority. He keeps getting stuck in these brainless situations where he needs to make a call, but clearly, nobody’s listening to him—or he just can't pull the trigger. Red Bull is constantly missing that edge of making smart, decisive moves, and that’s exactly where they're falling short.😢

So now the only question left is whether those were bad calls by the race engineer, Christian Horner, or the driver himself. 🤷

nimblesurfer17 said:What a mess that bunch of drivers made today. Was it spectacular? Not even close.☕
Look, if you'd pulled any other move from Lewis Hamilton, maybe I'd have something to say. But this? This is just standard procedure. Totally normal.
Dude, did you seriously not notice how much faster Hamilton's car was on the straights?
And what does Rosberg's car have to do with any of this? 🤷 Rosberg drives his car, Schumacher drives his... ☕

And yeah, I still think it’s a total disgrace that Hamilton spent so much time stuck behind Grandpa in such a superior car... and that it probably cost him the win. Pay attention to the word "probably"... I'm sure you know what that implies.
Go ahead and stay salty about it. ☕

I'm with you on this one. Hamilton obviously had the fastest car on the straightaways, and he had the pace too, yet he was stuck two laps back while the rest of the pack (Vettel) closed the gap immediately once they caught up. So yeah, this is definitely your own fault for being clueless, but hey, maybe you just idolize him too much and lost your edge. 🤷