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Susan Gomez33 said:I might be being a bit dense here—it's clearly ascorbic acid—but what about Vitamin C? Does that glow just as much?😲

Yeah, but it doesn't hit with that same intensity. They mostly use that stuff to coat highway guardrails and some of the newer road signs.😉

Interesting.

Reminds me of this one time a buddy of mine wouldn't believe that ascorbic acid was actually just Vitamin C. He didn't buy it because he thought all acids had to be liquid... and since he takes his Vitamin C in a pill, he just wasn't convinced. 🙂

bone said:E330 is just citric acid, and there’s so little of it in any lemonade that it’s practically nothing. Maybe try looking into it a bit more before deciding not to buy something based on just one single ingredient! I have no clue what E124 is, but if you're curious, you could always check some reputable sites yourself (just maybe not from those extreme health fanatics!)

I honestly haven't the slightest idea what that modified starch is, so I'm probably not being much help here!

FOOD ADDITIVES (Excerpt from a report by St. Jude Children's Research Hospital)
1. Safe additives: E- 100, 101, 103, 104, 105, 111, 121, 130, 132, 140, 151, 152, 160, 161, 162, 170, 174, 175, 180 E- 200, 201, 202, 203, 236, 237, 238, 260, 261, 263, 270, 280, 281, 282, 290 E- 300, 301, 303, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 322, 325, 326, 327, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 382 E- 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 408, 410, 411, 413, 414, 420, 421, 422, 440, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 480
2. Suspicious substances: E- 125, 141, 150 (Dunkin'), 153, 171, 172, 173 E- 240, 241 E- 477
3. Dangerous additives: digestive issues, intestinal disturbances, skin conditions, depletion of vitamin B 12, increased cholesterol, nerve irritation, and oral inflammation: E- 102, 110, 120, 124
4. Harmful to health: E- 220, 221, 224, 230, 231, 232, 233 E- 311, 312, 320, 321, 338, 339 (Philadelphia cream cheese, Zott Toast slices, Subway cheese slices, Anne Hathaway), 340 (Anne Hathaway, Starbucks Gold, Dunkin'), 341 E- 407, 450 (Philadelphia cream cheese, Tyson hot dogs), 461, 463, 465, 466 (found in packaged ice creams)
5. Carcinogenic additives: E- 123, 131, 142 E- 210, 211 (Heinz ketchup, Heinz light mayo), 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 239 E- 330 (Margo olive oil products, Margo Nova, Margo yogurt blends, Schweppes bitter lemon, Heinz gourmet sauces) E-123 is considered highly toxic and is banned in the USA. Along with E-110 and E-123, these can be found in Mars, Inc. gummy candies, Hershey's chocolate candies, M&M's, plastic cup puddings with whipped cream, frozen fish from brands like Tyson, Sour Cream, processed spreadable cheeses, and vanilla pudding. E-330 is noted as the most dangerous additive, appearing in various mustards, certain non-alcoholic pizzas, crab meat, and some canned cheeses and mushrooms.

I’ve been dead inside for a long time now. Just so we're clear. ☕

James Newman4 said:Save that lecture for toddlers or someone who actually believes you. 😉 😁

It’s funny how you can think someone has hit rock bottom, and then they still manage to surprise you. 🙄

So why don't you, being such an expert nutritionist, explain the actual molecular difference between synthetic Vitamin C and the stuff extracted from nature?

David Sanchez6 said:FOOD ADDITIVES (transcript from a report by St. Jude Children's Research Hospital)

E330 is the most dangerous additive out there. It’s found in mustard, certain non-alcoholic pizzas, crab meat, some cheeses, and canned mushrooms.

🙄
It's actually life-threatening to eat things like sauerkraut, peppers, kiwi, or citrus... they contain massive amounts of E330.

Those cabbage rolls are going to be the death of me. 🙂

David Sanchez6 said:FOOD ADDITIVES (excerpt from a report by St. Jude Children's Research Hospital)
..... E-330 is the most dangerous additive out there; you'll find it in mustard, certain non-alcoholic pizzas, crab meat, some cheeses, and canned mushrooms.

Look, this is just a total hoax, we've been through this already... E-330 is just citric acid and it's perfectly harmless. Honestly, you can find it in fruit in massive amounts anyway...

David Sanchez6 said:FOOD ADDITIVES (Transcript from a report by St. Jude Children's Research Hospital)
1. Safe additives: E- 100, 101, 103, 104, 105, 111, 121, 130, 132, 140, 151, 152, 160, 161, 162, 170, 174, 175, 180 E- 200, 201, 202, 203, 236, 237, 238, 260, 261, 263, 270, 280, 281, 282, 290 E- 300, 301, 303, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 322, 325, 326, 327, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 382 E- 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 408, 410, 411, 413, 414, 420, 421, 422, 440, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 480
2. Suspicious substances: E- 125, 141, 150 (Dunkin'), 153, 171, 172, 173 E- 240, 241 E- 477
3. Dangerous additives: causes bowel issues, digestive problems, skin diseases, destroys vitamin B 12, raises cholesterol, irritates nerves, causes mouth inflammation E- 102, 110, 120, 124
4. Harmful to health: E- 220, 221, 224, 230, 231, 232, 233 E- 311, 312, 320, 321, 338, 339 (Kraft spreads, Zott Toast slices, Subway cheese slices, Anne Hathaway cappuccino), 340 (Anne Hathaway cappuccino, Starbucks Gold, Dunkin') 341 E- 407, 450 (Kraft spreads, Oscar Mayer hot dogs), 461, 463, 465, 466 (found in packaged ice cream)
5. Carcinogenic additives: E- 123, 131, 142 E- 210, 211 (Heinz ketchup, Heinz light mayo), 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 239 E- 330 (Margo olive oil, Margo Nova, Margo yogurt, Schweppes bitter lemon, Heinz gourmet sauces) E-123 is extremely toxic and banned in the USA. Along with E-110 and E-123, you'll find them in Mars, Inc. gummy bears, Hershey's chocolate candies, M&M's, plastic cup puddings with whipped cream, frozen fish from Tyson Foods, Sour Cream, processed spreadable cheeses, and vanilla pudding. E-330 is the most dangerous additive; it's in mustards, certain non-alcoholic pizzas, crab meat, some cheeses, and canned mushrooms.

So kind of you to lay all this out for us... I'm just sitting here wondering: how am I supposed to organize this massive mess into one readable list that I can actually carry around while grocery shopping?... 🙄
😂

Kate Baker76 said:It was really kind of you to present all this to us... I'm just wondering how I can organize everything into one clear list that I can actually carry with me when I head out grocery shopping?... 🙄
😂

shopping at MacGregor😁

Sarah Gomez52 said:Honestly, just when I think it’s actually impossible for someone to be any more clueless, somehow they manage to go and prove me wrong again. It's kind of wild, really. 🙄

Look, if you’re gonna come at me like that and demand I play nutritionist, you might at least grab a coffee first—maybe a Starbucks Gold or something. But fine, since you asked, let's get into this whole synthetic versus natural Vitamin C debate because honestly, people make such a massive deal out of it. The thing is, if we're talking pure molecular structure, they're basically identical. Like, chemically speaking, synthetic ascorbic acid and the stuff you find in an orange are the exact same molecule. It’s the same arrangement of atoms, the same formula, the same thing. So, when some big corporation like Nestlé makes it in a lab, they aren't making a "fake" version; they're just assembling the same building blocks through a chemical process rather than waiting for a tree to grow. But—and there's always a "but," isn't there?—it’s not quite that simple when you actually eat it. When you eat fruit, you aren't just getting a single isolated molecule hitting your system like a freight train. You're getting a whole entourage of bioflavonoids, fiber, and other micronutrients that work together. It's kind of like the difference between listening to a full orchestra and just playing a single note on a synthesizer. One is a complex, layered experience, and the other is just... well, a single sound. So, while the actual Vitamin C molecule itself doesn't care if it was born in a lab or on a branch, your body might notice the difference in how it absorbs all that extra goodness that comes along with the natural stuff. I guess what I'm saying is, don't go thinking one is a total scam, but maybe don't ignore the power of real food either. It's all pretty nuanced, I suppose.

It’s honestly pretty entertaining watching you guys lose your minds and foam at the mouth like this... I guess. 😁 😁 😁

driftinggull13 said:Look, this whole thing is just a total hoax, and honestly, people have already debunked it like a dozen times. E-330 is basically just citric acid, which isn't even harmful if you think about it. I mean, it’s literally everywhere in fruit—you can find it in nature all over the place, so I guess it's kind of weird that people are freaking out over it now.

I don't know, I guess some of this logic just isn't adding up for me...
I’ve already come across a few spots online claiming that E330 is actually bad for you, and honestly, where there's smoke, there's fire... so I guess I'm just thinking out loud here:

Look, if we’re talking about stuff actually found inside fruit, then we aren't even talking about additives or some lab-made junk anymore, right? It’s just... natural. Like, it's the original deal, whatever that means, I guess. 😁

I mean, if you're calling something an additive or a supplement, isn't it basically implied that it was cooked up in a lab through some kind of chemical process? Like, let's be real, we’re talking artificial stuff at that point... I guess. 😉

If people are out here claiming something is harmful just because it was made in a lab, then I guess there’s gotta be some kind of logic error somewhere in that argument... which basically leads me to think that artificial stuff and natural stuff don't actually hit the body the same way, even if they look exactly identical at first glance. 😁

So, basically, here's my take on it:
I mean, honestly, who cares if the molecular structure of some synthetic vitamin looks slightly different from the stuff you pull straight out of nature? It’s not even the point. The only thing that actually matters—if you ask me—is how it actually behaves once it hits your cells and starts doing its job in your body... I guess it's all about the actual effect on your system, right? 👎

Look, I don't care how much you all obsess over it, but synthetic versus natural vitamins are NEVER going to be the same thing, no matter how much you guys hype it up!!!

TOTAL NONSENSE
TOTAL NONSENSE

NONSENSE

NONSENSE

HAHAHA oh my god hahahaha hi hi hi NONSENSE NONSENSE NONSENSEEEEEEE!!!!!!!.... 🙂 🙂 🙂

James Newman4 said:If it’s found in fruit, we aren't talking about an additive or a supplement—it's just natural (read: ORIGINAL), regardless of what it is... 😁

If something is labeled an additive or a supplement, the implication is that it was produced chemically (read: synthetically)... 😉

If people claim something is harmful because it was made chemically, they're assuming there's a flaw somewhere... which leads to the conclusion that synthetic and natural versions don't behave the same way, even if they look identical at first glance... 😁

They don't just "look" the same; they are synthetically identical. Vitamins isolated from nature and those made in a lab are COMPLETELY equal, both in composition and in how they work!!!

James Newman4 said:The bottom line:
The molecular structure of a synthetic vitamin versus one isolated from nature isn't the point; the difference lies in how it actually ACTS on the body's cells... 👎

Synthetic and natural vitamins will NEVER be the same, no matter how much you all insist otherwise!!!

It's basic chemistry—how a molecule acts is determined by its structure. If there is no difference in the molecular structure, there is no difference in how it works! Your brain just can't wrap itself around that idea.
🙂

Sarah Gomez52 said:They don't look identical at first glance, sure, but since they're synthetic, vitamins isolated from nature are TOTALLY identical—both in what they're made of and how they actually work!!!

Then prove it! 😁

Sarah Gomez52 said:It's just a little bit of chemistry—how a single molecule behaves is all about its structure!!! If there's no difference in the molecular structure, then there's no difference in how it works! But I guess your brain just can't wrap itself around that!
🙂

Maybe I'll have some kind of epiphany eventually (or maybe I'll just get a sign from the Virgin Mary at Lourdes) and finally start grasping stuff that I'm just too thick to understand right now... 😁

Sarah Gomez52 said:....but your brain just can't wrap itself around it!
🙂

My brain? 😲 😲 😁

🙂

Guys, let's chip in some cash so we can send Mac Hummer to Lourdes... he's in desperate need of some spiritual enlightenment 😈

Or maybe someone out there has connections with aliens... imagine if they abducted him just to study that "brilliant mind" of his... they could spend the next 50 or 60 years analyzing all the "material" inside his head (and I don't mean construction supplies).
Maybe he could even sell them a few high-level powders 🙂

James Newman4 said:Back up those claims! 😁

Maybe I'll have some sort of epiphany (or a vision at Lourdes) and finally grasp something that's currently over my head... 😁

Look, buddy, just grab a textbook—start with high school organic chemistry. Once you've mastered that, move on to Dow Chemical texts and Lehninger biochemistry. Then you'll find the evidence you're looking for. It won't be my opinion; it'll be established facts taught from elementary school all the way up...
Oh, right—you operate heavy machinery, so school probably wasn't really your thing.😁

Just wanted to send a quick shout-out to James Newman4 😁

Matthew Sullivan32 said:I mean, I’d just give James Newman4 a shout, 😁

Thanks for the shoutout... 👋

ps: You guys are getting kind of old with this whole thing about me being connected to MacGregor (I mean, sure, we work in the same industry, whatever) ... 🙂

James Newman4 said:PS: You guys are getting repetitive with the constant comparisons to MacGregor (it’s true we work in the same field, but still) ... 🙂

Wow... how embarrassing. How could we have possibly made such a massive mistake?!?! 😱 🙂 😵

James Newman4 said:Thanks for the warm welcome... 👋

ps: You guys are getting old with this whole MacGregor thing—look, it's true we're in the same industry, but still... 🙂

Wait, where did I even bring that up? You’re just as clueless as he is—honestly, whether you two are the same person or not, I really couldn't care less... 😁