Thinking about trying drugs

placidranger said:So, you think this topic isn't important?

Once a 17-year-old makes up his mind, there isn't a soul on God's green earth who can talk him out of it... at least, I wasn't like that at 17, even though I was a model child.

That’s exactly the point—you can't reason with him, but you can offer advice so he handles things as safely as possible.

Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

I’m sorry to hear about your mother, but I don't think you quite caught my drift. harm reduction exists to cut down on accidents—and by extension, the need for emergency room visits.

hey, everyone seems to be jumping the gun while the little guy gets left behind 😕
Frankie, let me know you're doing alright 😘

Angela Wright said:Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

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I live on an island where junkies are treated like VIPs. You see them everywhere—in the graveyards and out on the streets. As far as I'm concerned, let it all be legal. If someone wants to ruin their life, let them.

In the winter, I'm stuck in an urgent care clinic packed with kids suffering from the flu. There are five or six of them waiting in line—and of course, we're all stuck behind them because you have to let kids with fevers go first. Then, some addict couple storms in, cutting right to the front of the line just because "she's going through withdrawals." The kids are gagging and crying, but what can you do? One father actually tried to assault the doctor and the nurse (he only managed to knock one syringe 🙄 off the tray before being shut down), and he just got a verbal lashing from the nurse... as if he didn't deserve it. 🙄 🙄 🙄 People really don't know who they're messing with... 😕

I suppose the most critical thing is ensuring the kid doesn't fall behind in school. 🙏

Angela Wright said:Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

Totally agree with you!👍

Sending all my best to your mom... I'm sure you guys will find a way to fight this.
😘Wishing you and your mom nothing but the best for a speedy recovery.

Angela Wright said:Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

Only until you drop?

Look, if you're going to do drugs, just get it over with—hit a massive dose straight into the vein and go out on the spot. Otherwise, you're just becoming a permanent burden to every sane person around you.

Here’s another life drama for you, this time involving a famous athlete (probably not someone you'd hear about much over here 😁), an incredibly talented guy who signed a massive contract back in the late 90s...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...on-cover_x.htm

Anyway, after a LONG AND GRUELING battle with addiction (check out the article), Josh Hamilton actually hit a home run for the Cincinnati Reds last week.

The whole story just gives me chills.

Hey everyone! Just popping in here... been thinking about things lately. A bit scattered, maybe? Haha. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to the group! Hope you're all having a lovely day. kaže:
Well, you guys are all making such a huge fuss over nothing, and yet there’s still no sign of the little guy. 😕
Hey Frankie, let me know you're doing okay! 😘

He overdosed.😬

Who cares? ☕

Angela Wright said:Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

Kudos. And good luck with the fight against your illness.

Otherwise, credit where credit is due to those here who have actually overcome drug addiction. I'm not going to beat my chest because I DIDN'T go through that, nor am I going to judge, spit, fight, or look down on anyone. Who am I to do that? Who is ANYONE to act superior over another person?

Pure hypocrisy, that's what it is.

But fine, I'll risk being characterized by (some) as some backward person stuck in the past—it hurts, but I can't stay quiet.

Nowadays, you aren't even allowed to argue about anything because political correctness—and no, I don't mean personal computers—has ruined everything. Today, everything is an insult to someone, and everything is just "someone's lifestyle choice," a part of a culture that shouldn't be touched lest its "authenticity" be threatened.

That's why Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses defy medicine, and why today, the fun for losers whose brains have been eaten away by boredom consists of drugs, brawling, hooking up, and stuff like that.

Nobody is saying everyone has to spend their lives honing talents or figuring out how to be more successful tomorrow. Nobody *has* to be a conformist and think about having a family with two kids, a Golden Retriever in the yard, and a BBQ every weekend if they don't want to.

But you can kiss my ass before I start nodding along to morons like the OP, whom I am 150% certain is a TROLL, starting a discussion that clearly has no end just because "what's the harm in arguing if I haven't tried drugs?"

I don't need to try it (taking psilocybin once is a nothingburger, and I'd insult people who actually had to struggle with real issues if I claimed I had "tried" it). I drank enough when I was a teenager to tell you today that it's crap; I've seen people spin roulette for 35 minutes and bleed out up to 60,000 Euros. With my own damn eyes, I saw a man lose 140,000 Euros at the roulette table. I personally put down 20 $0.00 and lost it all within the next 3 hours.
I spent nights in casinos at the roulette table, and so what? Should I say it was actually great because, hey, there's this awesome adrenaline rush that's better than sex?

That’s total bullshit. Every single addiction is bullshit. A habit involving cigarettes, your morning coffee, and the newspaper isn't going to kill anyone. But heroin? That ruins lives. Honestly, thank God and pure luck that some people are actually here with us today instead of six feet under. I know for a fact that Will is a solid guy—from what I’ve gathered through this forum and hanging out at a party once or twice.

But just because I'm saying this doesn't mean I'm afraid of looking unrefined. I’m speaking up because I don't think I am. I don't judge a person based on whether they used drugs, gambled, drank, or whatever other mess they got into in their past.

I truly don't give a damn.

But man, if I'm reading today's social etiquette correctly, you have to be careful not to accidentally mention that drugs are garbage. Apparently, if you haven't personally tried them, you don't have the right to an opinion. Look, I agree 100% that you shouldn't judge PEOPLE in a condescending, knee-jerk way. But saying drugs are shit isn't about attacking someone's character; it's about the fact that they lead to social isolation and self-destruction in every aspect of life. It might not happen in every single case, but it's definitely happening more often than with a cigarette or a cup of coffee someone knocks back while grinding through an eighty-hour work week.

Cheers.

Angela Wright said:Pardon my French, but you are a complete loser! My keyboard is practically crawling with the nonsense being spewed by you and people just like you.🙂

Look, since you’re such a genius, why don't you give me some advice? How about telling me how to convince the bureaucrats at Medicare not to lie to my mother and others fighting brain tumors? How do I make them stop denying her another dose of Temodal? They claim it doesn't work for recurrences, yet we have top-tier specialists sending us interpretations from Houston confirming it's the only way to help her and that it's standard practice everywhere else in the world—except here, in this pathetic excuse for a country where Medicare wastes money on losers like you who think they know the "right" way to get high, providing massive payouts for methadone once you realize you screwed up and got hooked, not to mention all the useless institutional therapies, psychologists for you and your family, and all that other garbage!

See, you moron, my mother didn't choose her illness, but you and your kind choose yours, and then you still get to play the "poor victim" to get assistance that my mother can only dream of!

I’m all for legalization, but if we go that route, I’m also for cutting off all government assistance for addiction. Go get high until sunrise for all I care.🙂 🙂

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I'm in favor of legalizing everything.

Of course, provided there are certain conditions in place.

Brandon Castillo4 said:THAT'S NONSENSE; every single addiction is problematic. Talking about cigarettes, morning coffee, or newspapers—none of those hurt anyone.

The idea that cigarette addiction doesn't affect non-smokers is often just plain wrong, isn't it?

Look at the USA, Italy, or Ireland... places where smoking in public spaces is prohibited, whereas here, it remains a real health hazard for everyone else.

And yeah... I couldn't care less about being politically correct. 😎

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Brandon Castillo4 said:Kudos. And good luck with the fight against your illness.

Otherwise, credit where credit is due to those here who have actually overcome drug addiction. I'm not going to beat my chest because I DIDN'T go through that, nor am I going to judge, spit, fight, or look down on anyone. Who am I to do that? Who is ANYONE to act superior over another person?

Pure hypocrisy, that's what it is.

But fine, I'll risk being characterized by (some) as some backward person stuck in the past—it hurts, but I can't stay quiet.

Nowadays, you aren't even allowed to argue about anything because political correctness—and no, I don't mean personal computers—has ruined everything. Today, everything is an insult to someone, and everything is just "someone's lifestyle choice," a part of a culture that shouldn't be touched lest its "authenticity" be threatened.

That's why Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses defy medicine, and why today, the fun for losers whose brains have been eaten away by boredom consists of drugs, brawling, hooking up, and stuff like that.

Nobody is saying everyone has to spend their lives honing talents or figuring out how to be more successful tomorrow. Nobody *has* to be a conformist and think about having a family with two kids, a Golden Retriever in the yard, and a BBQ every weekend if they don't want to.

But you can kiss my ass before I start nodding along to morons like the OP, whom I am 150% certain is a TROLL, starting a discussion that clearly has no end just because "what's the harm in arguing if I haven't tried drugs?"

I don't need to try it (taking psilocybin once is a nothingburger, and I'd insult people who actually had to struggle with real issues if I claimed I had "tried" it). I drank enough when I was a teenager to tell you today that it's crap; I've seen people spin roulette for 35 minutes and bleed out up to 60,000 Euros. With my own damn eyes, I saw a man lose 140,000 Euros at the roulette table. I personally put down 20 $0.00 and lost it all within the next 3 hours.
I spent nights in casinos at the roulette table, and so what? Should I say it was actually great because, hey, there's this awesome adrenaline rush that's better than sex?

That’s total bullshit. Every single addiction is bullshit. A habit involving cigarettes, your morning coffee, and the newspaper isn't going to kill anyone. But heroin? That ruins lives. Honestly, thank God and pure luck that some people are actually here with us today instead of six feet under. I know for a fact that Will is a solid guy—from what I’ve gathered through this forum and hanging out at a party once or twice.

But just because I'm saying this doesn't mean I'm afraid of looking unrefined. I’m speaking up because I don't think I am. I don't judge a person based on whether they used drugs, gambled, drank, or whatever other mess they got into in their past.

I truly don't give a damn.

But man, if I'm reading today's social etiquette correctly, you have to be careful not to accidentally mention that drugs are garbage. Apparently, if you haven't personally tried them, you don't have the right to an opinion. Look, I agree 100% that you shouldn't judge PEOPLE in a condescending, knee-jerk way. But saying drugs are shit isn't about attacking someone's character; it's about the fact that they lead to social isolation and self-destruction in every aspect of life. It might not happen in every single case, but it's definitely happening more often than with a cigarette or a cup of coffee someone knocks back while grinding through an eighty-hour work week.

Cheers.

Why should anyone be denied the other side of the coin? On one hand, everything you’re saying holds water—it’s the same cycle playing out with kids in high school, yet the number of new users and addicts keeps climbing.
You mentioned you used to gamble—do you regret it? Any remorse there?

Personally, I don't regret a single "hit." I’ve experienced things I never would have without it—even if most of those experiences were just internal, a shift in perception or some hallucinations.

dustypilot22 said:🙏

I'm in favor of legalizing everything.

Of course, provided there are certain conditions in place.

The idea that cigarette addiction doesn't affect non-smokers is often just plain wrong, isn't it?

Look at the USA, Italy, or Ireland... places where smoking in public spaces is prohibited, whereas here, it remains a real health hazard for everyone else.

And yeah... I couldn't care less about being politically correct. 😎

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Back in the USA, cocaine was perfectly legal—sold in stores from its discovery in the mid-1800s through the early 1900s. It was in Coca-Cola, various wines, different tonics, and powders. Everyone used it—from Sigmund Freud and Thomas Edison to Hollywood stars and even the Pope; soldiers, athletes, and just regular folks alike. It only got banned once they realized excessive use leads to addiction and mental health issues.

I agree that much more should be legalized, but those "conditions" are where the trouble starts. Angela Wright mentioned above that people should lose their Medicare coverage. Why would that happen if they’re paying their premiums? Sure, they’re risking their health—but by that logic, we should strip Medicare from anyone who is obese, or anyone involved in extreme sports, or any activity that puts their health at risk.

Legalization would bring "pure" drugs to the market, which would drastically reduce their harm and simultaneously crush the crime associated with drug trafficking.

And you totally forgot to mention how they used hashish as a reward for those soldier-killers 😁

So, where exactly can one go to try that stuff?

placidranger said:Only until you drop?

Yeah, because you'll be too busy overdosing from pure rage by then.👍

I’m sticking needles into myself four times a day.
Not because I'm chasing some drug high, mind you, but because of this damn diabetes.
It wasn't my choice, and frankly, I can't wrap my head around people who choose this life. A kid like that needs a reality check—someone should knock some sense into him, take that money he clearly doesn't need, and force him to work himself to the bone for pennies under some wannabe private boss. Then we'd see how happy he is. FOOL.

Gary Hernandez6 said:I suppose the most critical thing is ensuring the kid doesn't fall behind in school. 🙏

Man, you absolutely crushed this—total legend status. 🙂 lol... absolute gold. 😂 What a joke—half a comment and a laugh. Honestly, I can't even be surprised anymore... hehe! 😛

I mean, honestly, it’s all just whatever—whatever, man, if someone wants to go there, that's their business. I think anyone who's ever messed around with drugs knows they can absolutely wreck your life, and if you're the type prone to that kind of stuff... well, what do I care? Should I really lose sleep over whether some random stranger ends up killing themselves—be it through drugs or a gun? Not my problem.

So, what that lady was saying—about how if you try it on a Saturday, you'll be doing it every Sunday, then back to Saturday, until you're basically an addict? Yeah, that’s total nonsense. It’s pretty obvious she’s just some older woman with a massive bias against drugs (or maybe she's younger, honestly who cares, she's biased regardless)—lol. But look, I know myself—and I know plenty of others—I'll light up a joint here and there, but nothing about it forces me into a lifelong addiction where I couldn't quit if I wanted to. I wouldn't even miss it—not like I haven't been clean for a few months anyway—but if the opportunity comes up, why not? And honestly, drugs don't really pull me in like that, except for the one mentioned... so now someone's gonna call me a junkie because of that? Just because I tried it once, I'm a lost cause? Like that politician once claimed—that if you light up just ONE joint, you'll never be able to quit! Heh, talk about being clueless... (just like that lady, lol). Peace to you, lady—I'm not trying to be mean, just calling it like I see it. 😘

placidranger said:👍
Back in the USA, cocaine was perfectly legal—sold in stores from its discovery in the mid-1800s through the early 1900s. It was in Coca-Cola, various wines, different tonics, and powders. Everyone used it—from Sigmund Freud and Thomas Edison to Hollywood stars and even the Pope; soldiers, athletes, and just regular folks alike. It only got banned once they realized excessive use leads to addiction and mental health issues.

I agree that much more should be legalized, but those "conditions" are where the trouble starts. Angela Wright mentioned above that people should lose their Medicare coverage. Why would that happen if they’re paying their premiums? Sure, they’re risking their health—but by that logic, we should strip Medicare from anyone who is obese, or anyone involved in extreme sports, or any activity that puts their health at risk.

Legalization would bring "pure" drugs to the market, which would drastically reduce their harm and simultaneously crush the crime associated with drug trafficking.

I'm not coming off like some high roller here, so don't get it twisted. 😁I used to spin the roulette wheel and throw down decent amounts here and there, but my losses never hit anything catastrophic (maybe losing $1667 every cent I had, a couple of times, but that's it). 😁

Of course, I regret gambling in a casino. There's no "edge" there; it's just a total distortion of reality, looking at money as if it's nothing more than plastic chips and whatnot. I didn't quit because of the money—because, honestly, the losses weren't that dramatic—I quit because I was terrified of that warped perception every gambler carries. The only silver lining is that I went through this phase now, rather than waiting until I actually have a family to worry about.

I moved toward more organized sports betting instead, but you don't get that same adrenaline rush or that skewed sense of reality... everything is contained within structured limits, without any signs of pathology or whatever.

Take poker or roulette, for example—there's no fix for that, no structure. With sports betting, I can play a few games a week, but in a casino, that ball is spinning every thirty seconds. The scary part isn't the game itself; it's the relationship with money, how you perceive your situation, and that frantic thought process of how to get more once your stash runs dry. THAT is why I walked away.
But that's not what this thread is about.

Anyway, I agree that it's useful to hear the other perspective, and we don't all have to see eye to eye. But I don't see a single positive thing about someone who ISN'T ALREADY IN IT (meaning, someone dealing with an actual addiction) deciding to jump in just out of boredom, stupidity, or greed.

If it already happened to you, fine. The hope is that you pull yourself out of it. But playing with fire is just plain stupid. I'm not a cheapskate—far from it—but for God's sake, I'm not going to dance on a tightrope constantly and just pray I don't fall. If you practice like that, you should expect to meet the pavement eventually.