Troy

slylynx16 said:Good grief, talk about some truly pathetic attempts at humor when you clearly lack even a basic sense of irony! 😲>

But hey, all I was saying is that I was practically cracking up. 😬>

Richard Hernandez13 said:I told you, I was nearly bursting with laughter. 😬

Check out this joke: "How does a kid know she weighs 300 pounds?" 🙄 Well, let's just say it was okay. But you, Richard Hernandez13, really went and... well, you know.

... Deep.... 🙂

Well, that was a disappointment.

(Oh, do you really have to...) Everything. Are you planning on shattering my illusions? 🙂 )

Well, I finally watched it! But honestly, I had to leave my common sense and logic at the door😁 just so I could fully surrender to the big screen. And let me tell you, the movie was fantastic! The visuals were stunning, the music was incredible—everything was top-notch. Plus, Eric Bana is incredibly hot! 🙏 And Brad is pretty easy on the eyes too.
Like someone else already pointed out—if I actually want to think or use my brain, I’ll just pick up a book.

Man, the camerawork is just atrocious too... there’s this constant roller-coaster style of cutting through massive scenes that moves so fast I can barely catch anything with my tired eyes before it's gone. And oh yeah... if I didn't fall asleep halfway through the movie, it was only because the director decided to play a game of light and shadow with us. That scene inside Achilles' tent was pitch black, and then—for absolutely no reason at all—bam, the glowing walls of Troy hit you right in the face... honestly, it’s enough to make you go blind. Just... yeah...😕

I feel the same way about the camera work—it’s a little off to me too. At times, though, it almost feels like they skipped the color grading entirely, giving it this really raw, unpolished look.

That said, I absolutely loved the tension building up right before that final Trojan assault on the Greeks. That pre-dawn scene where everything is still pitch black and they’re marching straight into battle? It was incredible.🙂

nah an American action movie is probably what it should be called

slylynx16 said:Fine, that little joke ("does the kid even know—is she actually 300 pounds?" 🙄 ) was just okay, but you, Richard Hernandez13, really went too far with me...

attacking the elderly and children

Well, when a movie is total garbage for a kid... and when they basically recommend turning your brain off before watching it just to stare at the visuals...
maybe I should just head straight from my lecture and try again...
brrrrrrr

The movie works because it’s not actually called the Iliad. Back in ancient Greece, it was totally normal to take a classic setup and just spin a whole new tale around it.
But yeah, they definitely sugarcoated it way too much. That fake "happy ending" vibe? The whole "you gave me peace" thing? It’s the complete opposite of who that guy really is. I mean, Achilles is driven by nothing but pure hubris from start to finish—he should've stayed that "natural born killer" type, someone who didn't choose his path but was just born into it. If they hadn't messed up that final character arc, he would've been legendary. And don't even get me started on the Paris and Helen romance... it was honestly nothing. Menelaus and Agamemnon were great, Hector was okay, but Priam felt weak. Plus, they totally missed the mark by leaving out the bond between Patroclus and Achilles, which is what actually justifies all that rage. Leaving the gods out was a smart move, though (even if I really wanted to see some nod to Apollo when Achilles gets hit by that arrow)...

mistyfox812 said:The movie works because it isn't actually called the Iliad. Back in ancient Greece, it was pretty common to take a classic setup and just spin a whole new tale from it.
But yeah, they definitely sugarcoated it too much, I guess. That silly "happy ending" vibe and the whole "you gave me peace" thing... it feels totally wrong for that character. I mean, Achilles is driven by nothing but pure hubris from the jump, so he really should have stayed that "natural born killer" type—someone who didn't really choose his path, he was just born that way. If they hadn't gone off the rails at the very end, the character would’ve been incredible. And honestly, the whole romance between Paris and Helen was kind of a letdown... Menelaus and Agamemnon were great, Hector was okay, but Priam felt weak. Plus, I really think they missed the mark by leaving out the connection between Patroclus and Achilles, which would've made his rage make so much more sense. Leaving out the gods was probably a smart move, though (even if I personally would've loved a little nod to Apollo when Achilles gets hit by that arrow)...

I don't think priests really need all those deep Apollo allusions. You've seen how they think before! For a priest, just knowing "he angered Apollo" and then "he died" is enough to connect the dots right there >)
It's kind of like that one arrow in the heel being the only thing left. If someone truly believed Achilles was invincible, seeing him dead with an arrow sticking out of his heel would be enough to make them realize, "Oh, I guess he was only vulnerable there."

And the love story? Did you go watch Troy or cursed Marijan? >)

- Steve -

briskjackal5 said:...
It’s just like when that one arrow hits him right in the heel—the only spot that wasn't bulletproof. You have people out here totally convinced that Achilles is invincible, and then suddenly they're staring at him dead on the ground with an arrow sticking out of his heel, realizing the whole thing was a lie because he was vulnerable right there.

Honestly, this whole thing feels exactly like those number 1 stories.😁

That whole saga between Achilles and... uh... what was her name again? Was any of that actually real?

My memory isn't exactly crystal clear, but if I recall correctly, she was little more than a prize they were bickering over—Agamemnon and Achilles fighting over some property, not exactly a love parade

A new copy of Helen's Troy just landed in our local video rental shop. It looks like they're just trying to make a quick buck somewhere.
The movie itself is actually quite good, considering it was made back in 2000.

In my opinion... it's basically the same stories over and over. Just different actors playing the same parts.
How much longer can this go on?

Sigh.

the witch said:But look—that scene where beautiful Briseis (absolute creeps from every nation—including the whole silentpilot6 crew! 😁 —get it together) laments how, to paraphrase, many women who saw their husbands off to battle that morning won't see them return, only for our hero to snap back, "Perhaps your brother can comfort them. I hear he's good at charming other men's wives..." 😂 —is, whether you want to admit it or not, simply c-u-l-t---l-y cool!!!

What is everyone saying about me here? 😲
I said a long time ago that Hector's wife is by far my favorite female character in the film.👍
I’d trade her for those other two in a heartbeat.

Anyway, if anyone wants to hang out in good company, just click the link.

So, turns out Hector's wife is actually a lesbian!
She’s living with Fion Shaw right over in my neighborhood...

Steven Ruiz said:Hector's wife is actually a lesbian.
She lives right here in my neighborhood with Fion Shaw.

At this rate, you'll probably be telling us next that Santa Claus isn't even real. 🙄

😉

Steven Ruiz said:Hector's wife is a L-E-S-B-I-A-N.
She lives with Fion Shaw. Right in my neighborhood.

Yes, yes, yes—we all grasped that from the very first post, despite the fact that—quite rudely of you, I might add!—you still haven't provided a pile of paparazzi photos showing them enjoying some hot monkey love on a terrace to actually back up your claims.

So, as I said: POST PROOF OR RETRACT!

steelharbor12 said:She’s talking about the thing between Achilles and that other girl... (whatever her name was). Did that actually happen?

"Actually happened" WHERE?

At Disneyland? 😁

The Iliad—which kicks off with Achilles' rage because Agamemnon snatches his prize, Briseis—is believed to have been composed in the 8th Century BCE, while the Trojan War itself is thought to have occurred around the 13th or 12th century BCE... presumably.

So, there we have it. How did an incredibly serious discourse regarding Troy devolve in just a few hours into silentpilot6's ranting about "victims" at some party (and his blatant enthusiasm for ménage à trois! 😲 ), Kika's obsession with a main female character's sexual orientation, and Richard Hernandez13's nostalgia for Santa Claus? One has to wonder what kind of "intergalactic version" of the Trojan War the ancient Greeks packed into their stories before she finally reached the unfortunate Homer four or five centuries later! 🙄

On the other hand, some archaeologists who excavated the site believed to be Troy found not a single shred of concrete evidence that the events described by Homer actually took place.

Therefore...

#1: As I said before: relax, people, and just enjoy Peterson's film. (Actually, just enjoy any movie; just stop acting like you're experts on things you know nothing about, like Mary in a bad soap opera! 🙂 )

#2: silentpilot6, when exactly did that remark happen? By the way, that forum user—aka the witch—just implicitly called you an old man if you pay attention. If I were you, I'd send the goat a sprig of ivy... 🙂

...with a note saying she's "gone" ASAP!

MrBeast said:Priests don't need all these fancy hints about Apollo. I've seen how they think before. You just tell a priest "he pissed off Apollo" and then "he died," and boom—they’ve already built this whole cause-and-effect thing in their heads. >)
It's just like when people believed Achilles was invincible, and then they see him dead with an arrow sticking out of his heel and suddenly they're like, "Oh, he must have died because he was vulnerable there." Like, duh.

And the romance part? Did you actually watch Troy or maybe some cursed Mariana flick? >)

- Steve -

Oh, Steve...

Kiki said:Hector's wife is a Lesbian.
She lives with Fion Shaw. Right in my neighborhood.

You really have to ruin my dreams, don't you?🙂

She's a Lesbian because she hasn't tried me yet.😁 👍