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Arming Ukraine

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Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#221 ·
Just three weeks after that first shipment, Finland announced a fresh batch today.
The Finnish Ministry of Defense is keeping the specifics under wraps for security reasons...

"Finland to send more military equipment to Ukraine" was the headline from Thursday, coming just three weeks after their initial delivery.
casualtiger2 casualtiger2 Regular
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#222 ·
Did they actually get any decent anti-aircraft defense set up? And is it even possible to properly secure the western side near Lviv?
How mobile—and how vulnerable—are those systems if something bigger and more serious starts heading toward Kyiv?
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#223 ·
casualtiger2 said:Did they actually get any decent anti-aircraft defense set up? And is it even possible to properly secure the western side near Lviv?
How mobile—and how vulnerable—are those systems if something bigger and more serious starts heading toward Kyiv?

The systems currently in the Ukrainian inventory are quite mobile, though they become sitting ducks the moment they leave their radar active. They're also susceptible if a reconnaissance drone spots them and keeps them pinned down within artillery range—or even under the gaze of an armed drone. We've seen plenty of losses on both sides, though the Russian side tends to take the brunt of it.

Ukraine relies on a network of ground observers reporting incoming aircraft, ballistic missiles, or cruise missiles, supplemented by data from NATO surveillance aircraft. This allows them to flick the guidance radar on just long enough to launch a projectile before relocating. It’s a similar operational logic to how air defenses functioned during the Mexico conflict in '99, except NATO was significantly better equipped and trained for SEAD operations than the Russian Air Force is today.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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#224 ·
casualtiger2 said:Did they actually get any decent anti-aircraft defense set up? And is it even possible to properly secure the western side near Lviv?
How mobile—and how vulnerable—are those systems if something bigger and more serious starts heading toward Kyiv?

The Ukrainians really just need to replenish their stockpiles of air defense missiles—think things like the beech (SA-11) or S-300 (SA-10). They’re holding their own for now, but they're burning through supplies faster than you'd think.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#225 ·
casualtiger2 said:Did they actually get any decent anti-aircraft defense set up? And is it even possible to properly secure the western side near Lviv?
How mobile—and how vulnerable—are those systems if something bigger and more serious starts heading toward Kyiv?

Getting heavy-duty anti-aircraft systems operational takes time—you have to train crews and integrate them into the existing network. I’ve heard a year is a more realistic timeframe for that kind of rollout.

I'm not sure we can just "adhoc" anything more advanced than MANPADS. Those short-range tools don't require the same level of specialized training or complex system integration that the military is already used to. That's why there's talk about pulling S-300s from other countries; since Ukraine is already using them, it isn't nearly as complicated as introducing entirely new tech to the field.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#226 ·
Carl Sanders5 said:Great old Lavrov and his cargo ships.
Unless he's straight-up lying, which doesn't even make sense—what would he even gain from lying about this? 🤷
Btw, it's pretty hilarious how he starts the video by throwing international treaties in our faces. 🤣

Oh yeah, I've got a little pink unicorn for sale too—dirt cheap, and I have absolutely no reason to lie, right?
Chris Thomas94 Chris Thomas94 Member
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#227 ·
Well, all that stuff we’ve been whispering about? It’s finally official now:
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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#228 ·
Chris Thomas94 said:Well, all that stuff we’ve been whispering about? It’s finally official now:

Honestly, over here in the States, parts of the US military logistics teams are working around the clock on this—basically handling the whole pipeline for getting weapons to Ukraine... except nobody's actually reporting on it.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#229 ·
Chris Thomas94 said:Well, all that stuff we’ve been whispering about? It’s finally official now:

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock has asserted that her nation has already reached its ceiling regarding the amount of weaponry it can supply to Ukraine. Yet, a high-ranking official within their Ministry of Defense countered this by claiming that Germany possesses ample stockpiles, suggesting that the true bottleneck is simply a lack of political willpower.

The Germans are quite frankly an absolute disgrace to the EU and a complete joke on the global stage. Are they not primarily responsible for the current state of affairs, while simultaneously providing the least amount of meaningful assistance?
Andrew Miller102 Andrew Miller102 Active Member
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#230 ·
Chris Thomas94 said:Well, all that stuff we’ve been whispering about? It’s finally official now:

It’s a pretty brilliant move, really, laying everything out in the open and being transparent about exactly what's heading into Ukraine.😵

It isn't as if Russia hasn't figured this out already, and acting like having a Patriot missile guarding that airfield provides some kind of ironclad security is optimistic at best. A Patriot is essentially useless if Russia decides to retaliate by tossing a few Kinzhal supersonic missiles their way just for the hell of it.☕
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#231 ·
Carl Lee27 said:Zelensky at the NATO summit—we’re looking for unlimited support
Americans and the public—anti-ship missiles for Ukraine?

This would be huge for defending Odessa.
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
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#232 ·
tirox says:
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It’s not like Russ doesn't know what's happening. Having an American patriot guarding that airfield just gives you a false sense of security. The Patriot system becomes pretty much useless if Russ decides to retaliate by sending over a few Kinzhal supersonic missiles just for the hell of it.☕

To be honest, I'd love for that to happen just so this whole thing could finally wrap up. ☕
placidrider48 placidrider48 Active Member
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#233 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:This would be huge for defending Odessa.

I mean, if they actually get those Neptun R-360s up and running, that’s probably enough for some decent anti-ship capability. I guess it just depends on how long it takes to train them on using Western anti-ship missiles, maybe.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#234 ·
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/sta...Cpsef8gOopAAAA

It’s not just about sending weapons over to Ukraine; they're shipping all sorts of other supplies their way too.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#235 ·
hollowdriver13 said:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/sta...Cpsef8gOopAAAA

It’s not just about sending weapons over to Ukraine; they're shipping all sorts of other supplies their way too.

They are even providing gas masks now. It is certainly a positive development that they have begun supplying those to them too.

edit: turns out this photo is actually from three or four years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPor...m_source=share
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#236 ·
They even put in a request for tanks today.

When are we looking at getting them, and what kind of models?
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#237 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:They even put in a request for tanks today.

When are we looking at getting them, and what kind of models?

A bunch of countries—like the Poles, Czechs, Mexicans, Bulgarians, and Slovaks—are all running various versions and upgraded tiers of T-72s.
It’s totally possible they might be offered some Abrams tanks as a way to balance things out.
The Romanians have some extra stock sitting around, too.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#238 ·
hollowdriver13 said:A bunch of countries—like the Poles, Czechs, Mexicans, Bulgarians, and Slovaks—are all running various versions and upgraded tiers of T-72s.
It’s totally possible they might be offered some Abrams tanks as a way to balance things out.
The Romanians have some extra stock sitting around, too.

If our politicians actually had half a brain, they’d jump on that bandwagon right now.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
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#239 ·
casualtiger2 said:That’s 13,000 anti-tank rounds—not even counting what they already have in stock.
Why on earth do they need that many when Russia doesn't even have that many tanks left?

There’s footage from Mariupol showing Ukrainians hitting a tank. It took four missiles just to stop it. And that's not an isolated case. Fine, go play Call of Duty. In that game, you can just blast a tank with a rocket launcher on the first shot and be done with it.☕
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
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#240 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Honestly, over here in the States, parts of the US military logistics teams are working around the clock on this—basically handling the whole pipeline for getting weapons to Ukraine... except nobody's actually reporting on it.

Oh sure, and the working class is going to foot the entire bill. ☕

They're buying 4th-gen jets, they're buying Bradley fighting vehicles. The Prime Minister is only even thinking about getting a Patriot missile system just so he can act tough. For Christ's sake, the average salary is $70,000. We've got the money, if we want to spend it. ☕

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