Elvis Presley

You’re an atheist. 🤣

I have no desire, nor any intention, to get dragged into some big debate. You can't really convince an atheist of anything, because your whole state of consciousness just revolves around yourselves. Everything else becomes irrelevant by default. It would be the same regardless of what my actual response was.

Anyway, those people who hang around Elvis Presley... they should probably point out his arrogance to him. Maybe they could try counting exactly how many times he's mentioned in the Bible and look at the context, too. And then, they really ought to sit down and study Sirach 3:17-24.

I met Elvis Presley through someone. Honestly, he’s hilarious, but he’s a genuinely good guy with zero malice in his heart. He just gets hung up on some pretty ridiculous stuff—this whole flat Earth thing is a massive stretch. It’s funny, sure, but also a little unsettling when someone is actually that convinced the Earth is flat. Like, fine, listen to him for the laughs or to study his logic, but being dead serious about it? 😲

As for religion, I'm staying out of it. I’m no Bible expert, so I don't have much to contribute to a debate there.

coppersailor28 said:Today, at 1:29 PM

Six minutes later.
Today, at 1:35 PM

You don't need any Elviss—you can handle all of that yourself.🙂

He believes in those points quite sincerely, and he won't just abandon them overnight, though I doubt he's being intentionally deceptive. Perhaps in twenty years he'll move on because they served as his initial way to step into the spotlight.

Angela Alvarez10 said:I met Elvis Presley through someone. Honestly, he’s hilarious, but he’s a genuinely good guy with zero malice in his heart. He just gets hung up on some pretty ridiculous stuff—this whole flat Earth thing is a massive stretch. It’s funny, sure, but also a little unsettling when someone is actually that convinced the Earth is flat. Like, fine, listen to him for the laughs or to study his logic, but being dead serious about it? 😲

As for religion, I'm staying out of it. I’m no Bible expert, so I don't have much to contribute to a debate there.

Also, his pride and tendency to insult others is completely at odds with Christianity and other faiths. He uses this tactic constantly. The moment someone disagrees with him, he attacks them and throws a tantrum like a child. He does this quite deliberately while acting like a Christian missionary on TV. It's hard to understand how someone can be that misguided. 😵

Aside from that, he is entertaining. His guest appearances alongside Domagoj Pintarić and MPO are some of the best content coming out of the Podcast Incubator. They are a modern nightmare. Those are honestly the only podcasts I would actually pay to watch. 😁👍 Pure entertainment from start to finish. He is right about some things and wrong about others, but he is certainly better than 90% of American comedians. 😁

If it weren't for the Flat Earth talk, he could easily establish himself as a prominent conservative activist in the public eye; instead, he has limited his own reach.

fadedbear43 said:Also, his pride and tendency to insult others is completely at odds with Christianity and other faiths. He uses this tactic constantly. The moment someone disagrees with him, he attacks them and throws a tantrum like a child. He does this quite deliberately while acting like a Christian missionary on TV. It's hard to understand how someone can be that misguided. 😵

Aside from that, he is entertaining. His guest appearances alongside Domagoj Pintarić and MPO are some of the best content coming out of the Podcast Incubator. They are a modern nightmare. Those are honestly the only podcasts I would actually pay to watch. 😁👍 Pure entertainment from start to finish. He is right about some things and wrong about others, but he is certainly better than 90% of American comedians. 😁

If it weren't for the Flat Earth talk, he could easily establish himself as a prominent conservative activist in the public eye; instead, he has limited his own reach.

🤣🤣Yeah, definitely the best podcast. They're great.🤣

but everything else🤦😵

Angela Alvarez10 said:🤣🤣Yeah, definitely the best podcast. They're great.🤣

but everything else🤦😵

To be fair, Elvis Presley tends to wander quite broadly. There are certain things where I find myself agreeing with him—specifically his views on alcohol, eating pork, prostitution, pornography, marriage, profanity, drugs, and family.

However, those are matters of worldview; you can either agree or disagree. On the other hand, the flat earth theory is simply absurd. Furthermore, the approach toward COVID-19 was criminal. Some of his advice to people may have actually cost them their lives, which is something he should never have done.

I am looking forward to the next episodes of the Podcast Incubator. Give my best to Ralet, Simke, Los, and the rest of the crew if they happen to see this. They should just keep up the fantastic work. 👍👍

fadedbear43 said:To be fair, Elvis Presley tends to wander quite broadly. There are certain things where I find myself agreeing with him—specifically his views on alcohol, eating pork, prostitution, pornography, marriage, profanity, drugs, and family.

However, those are matters of worldview; you can either agree or disagree. On the other hand, the flat earth theory is simply absurd. Furthermore, the approach toward COVID-19 was criminal. Some of his advice to people may have actually cost them their lives, which is something he should never have done.

I am looking forward to the next episodes of the Podcast Incubator. Give my best to Ralet, Simke, Los, and the rest of the crew if they happen to see this. They should just keep up the fantastic work. 👍👍

He’s sticking to that out of pure religious fanaticism—because it’s written right there in the Bible, and that’s what God whispered to the author.

Also, his take on COVID-19 was straight-up criminal. Some of the advice he gave people might have actually cost them their lives. He really didn't need to go there.

I should probably answer that one. I reported him on YouTube, and before long, that creep got kicked off the platform. 🙂

This is basically how the Bible writers imagined the entire universe looked.

Flat-Earther churchgoers.

A lot of the early Church Fathers actually believed in a flat Earth—guys like Theophilus of Antioch, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, Theodore of Mopsuestia, and even John Chrysostom (who thought the world was shaped like a cube, not a sphere). You’ve also got Cyril of Jerusalem, Ephraim of Tyre, Athanasius of Alexandria, Bishop Diodore of Tarsus, Epiphanius of Salamis, Hilary of Poitiers, and Severianus of Gabala. Most people back then were more preoccupied with how many feathers an angel had on its wings.

By accepting that the Earth rotates, the Church ran into massive issues. Once again, God's word led them down the wrong path.

Elvis Presley: 😵

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The Bible uses the Hebrew word CHUWG to mean a circle, not a sphere. It’s definitely a circle. If you look at Strong's Concordance (entries 2328 and 2329), Holladay’s Concise Hebrew, the Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (p. 97), Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew, or the English Lexicon (p. 295), they all point to the verb form meaning "to draw a circle." As a noun, it translates to either "circle" or "arch"—which, obviously, is just a semi-circular arc.
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duwr - pronounced like "dure."
chuwg - basically sounds like "khug" (k-hug).

Other instances of the word *chuwg* (which also looks a lot like the American term *khug*, meaning circle) include:

Job 26:10
He marked a circle on the water—that Hebrew *chuwg*—right where the light fades out and the darkness takes over.

He formed the Earth by His own power, established the world through His wisdom, and stretched out the heavens with His mind. When He speaks, the waters above roar, clouds rise from the ends of the earth, and He commands the rain, lightning, and wind from His hidden depths.

Jeremiah 10:12
Yahweh sits on His throne forever, waiting to take His seat and pass judgment: He alone holds the right to judge this whole damn Earth.
Your thunder roars through the storm, lightning lights up the whole damn world, and the very Earth shakes beneath our feet.
The heavens belong to You, and the Earth is Yours; You shaped the world and everything on it—from the North to the South.
They’re trying to shove him out of the light and back into the dark, basically looking to kick him off the face of the Earth.
Clouds hide his face, and he walks the edge of the celestial circle.
"The midday sun blazes upon the circle of the Earth, and who could endure its heat?"
He sits enthroned above the circle of the Earth, while the people below look like mere locusts.
Proverbs 8:27
...when He was creating the heavens, I was there, watching Him trace a circle (Hebrew *chuwg*) across the face of the abyss.
Standard American translations using "circle" or "circumference" for *chuwg* actually make sense here; the context implies drawing something on a surface—basically a 2D representation.
Plus, Hebrew has another word specifically for a sphere (a surface enclosing a ball): *duwr*. If the author of Isaiah 40 had meant a globe, he almost certainly would have used *duwr* instead of *chuwg*. In fact, Isaiah uses that specific term earlier to describe a ball:

Isaiah 22:17-18
"Look, Yahweh will throw you far away with a single blow; He will seize you firmly and roll you up like a ball (Hebrew *duwr*) and hurl you across the wide Earth!"

So, it’s no surprise that all the mainstream Bibles we use—the NRSV, RSV, NASB, ASV, KJV, NKJV, and even the fundamentalist NIV—translate *chuwg* in Isaiah 40:22 as a circle or disk.

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"Saint Augustine was aware of the Greek theory regarding a spherical Earth; however, following the conclusions of his predecessor and fellow North African, Lactantius, he was firmly convinced that the Earth was flat, one of the two greatest bodies in creation, resting at the bottom of the universe. Augustine clearly found this model more useful for biblical exegesis than a spherical planet floating in an infinite void."

Chrysostom, one of the four great Fathers of the Eastern Church and Archbishop of Constantinople, explicitly backed the scriptural idea that the Earth miraculously floats on water beneath the celestial sphere. Athanasius of Alexandria expressed a similar view in his work "Against the Pagans."

In the *Christian Topography* (547 AD) written by the Alexandrian monk Cosmas Indicopleustes (540 AD),
the author repeatedly argues that the universe consists of only two realms: the Earth below the sky and the heavens above it. Relying heavily on biblical arguments, he describes the Earth as a rectangle, 400 days long by 200 days wide, surrounded by four oceans and enclosed by four massive walls supporting the celestial vault. To him, the spherical Earth theory was nothing more than "pagan" nonsense.

Severianus, the Bishop of Gabala (408 AD), wrote that the Earth is flat and that the sun doesn't pass underneath it at night, but rather "travels through the northern regions as if hidden by a wall." Meanwhile, Basil of Caesarea (329-379) just rambled that the whole thing was "theologically irrelevant."

In the mid-8th century, Virgil of Salzburg was teaching certain geographic or cosmographic ideas that Saint Boniface found so distasteful he complained to Pope Zachary about them. The only surviving record of this drama is found in Zachary's response from 748 AD, where he wrote:

"Regarding the perverse and sinful doctrine uttered by him (Virgil) against God and his own soul: if it is clearly determined that he confesses a belief in another world and other people living beneath the Earth or within the Sun and Moon there, you must hold a council, strip him of his priestly office, and cast him out of the Church!"

Keith Morgan10 said:Elvis Presley is an interesting guy, but one thing just doesn't sit right with me. He’s dead set on the idea that the Earth is flat, and hey, that's his choice. He quotes the Bible quite a bit, too—he seems to know his way around the text. But I have to wonder... why does he never mention what God says about pride?
It seems like both the globe believers and the flat-earthers share this same trait: they’re absolutely convinced they’re right and everyone else is just lost.
Yet, neither side really brings anything to the table that serves as undeniable, visual proof of the shape.
Wouldn't it be more humble, maybe even more divine, to just say, "I don't think it's a sphere," instead of stubbornly insisting it's flat without any actual evidence?
The "proof" these folks present is certainly interesting, but honestly, it raises more questions than it actually answers.
Now, you won't find a verse in the Bible explicitly stating whether the Earth is flat or round. In the version I read, it mentions a circle of the earth, implying there are boundaries that keep the waters from spilling over. But even then, should I really go out there publicly attacking people over something I haven't personally witnessed with my own eyes?

That word "circle" is tricky. It could mean a few things—like a sphere, or perhaps just a horizontal plane.
We are taught that everything in this world exists in a state of perfect balance, which seems to be the key to everything. But why don't those flat-earthers consider the possibility that centripetal and centrifugal forces are also held in that same perfect balance? Or any of the other claims made by modern scientists.

And I wonder, is Elvis even familiar with Gnostic texts, like the stories involving Yaldabaoth? If the Earth really is tilted at 66.6 degrees relative to the sun, what kind of message would that be trying to send us?

Regarding religion, it feels to me like Elvis wants to be Catholic because of the tradition, but he's right to push back against their teachings when they seem selective or lack a solid foundation in the Bible. I think it's the same story with a lot of other religions, too.

There’s actually quite a bit written in the Bible that lets you reconstruct how the ancient Hebrews viewed the world and their surroundings. Most of those reconstructions look pretty much the same, for example, like this:



If you want to dive deeper, maybe just Google "ancient Hebrew cosmology"

Elvis selectively interprets the Bible to suit his own narrative. This is exactly what millions of other people do when they misinterpret the Bible, Quran, or Talmud, often leading to global conflicts. 😵 What he’s doing is nothing new; it’s a pattern we've seen countless times. He has every right to his perspective, whether people choose to accept it or not. In my view, the concept of a flat earth isn't inherently hate speech.

Regarding COVID, he obviously won't take responsibility. If anyone should be held accountable, it would be the politicians in Congress who built their entire platforms on opposing vaccines and other virus protections. 😵 A figure like Nina Raspudić has a media reach that far outweighs Elvis's.

fadedbear43 said:Elvis selectively interprets the Bible to suit his own narrative. This is exactly what millions of other people do when they misinterpret the Bible, Quran, or Talmud, often leading to global conflicts. 😵 What he’s doing is nothing new; it’s a pattern we've seen countless times. He has every right to his perspective, whether people choose to accept it or not. In my view, the concept of a flat earth isn't inherently hate speech.

Regarding COVID, he obviously won't take responsibility. If anyone should be held accountable, it would be the politicians in Congress who built their entire platforms on opposing vaccines and other virus protections. 😵 A figure like Nina Raspudić has a media reach that far outweighs Elvis's.

Nah. He's just... He follows whatever is written in there like it's gospel.I mean, what were those writers even thinking? And then you get apologists like you who just "selectively interpret" everything so the Bible doesn't look like some outdated nonsense compared to how much we actually know today.

Just like millions of others who butcher the Bible, Quran, or Talmud to justify starting wars. 😵

The Bible is constantly calling for the extermination of anyone who doesn't worship the specific version of God scribbled down on those pages. Honestly, it’s the exact same story with the Quran and its jihad.
I haven't touched the Talmud. It’s just a massive pile of random writings anyway.

If you think I'm an atheist and that's why you don't trust me:

Kill your wife, your best friend, your kids, even your own parents—if they try to push you toward worshipping any god other than Yahweh. Stone them until they're gone.

If your own brother turned on you...
Son of a bitch.
Or even your own son.
Your daughter,
A woman in your arms, or what?
A friend who’s basically your whole life.
Seducing them on the sly:
"Let's just go ahead and start worshiping other gods then,"
Don't you dare listen to those gods of foreign nations surrounding you, whether they're right next door or halfway across the country. Don't give them a second look, and don't let your eyes show even a shred of pity. Don't hold back; just leave them be.
Just kill him already!
First, you better hope you can even find the strength to lift your hand against him. Just kill him already.And then, the weight of the whole nation falls on one hand.
Stone him until he's gone. He was clearly just trying to pull you away from Yahweh."
Deuteronomy 13:7-11

We've seen this exact same act a million times before.

Religious fanatics are actually in the minority. Most of the billions out there just tweak God's word to make it feel modern so it doesn't seem totally ignorant or violent. Take Paradise, for instance—they claim the Quran already contains every scientific discovery we've ever made. 🤦

He’s got every right to feel that way. People can either take it or leave it. If you ask me, the whole flat earth thing isn't really hate speech in and of itself..

Not even if I tried. 🙄

All that hate speech talk is just more of his usual nonsense coming out of his mouth. ☕

When it comes to COVID, they obviously aren't going to take the blame. If anyone should be held accountable, it's those politicians in D.C. who built their whole careers on being anti-vax and fighting every safety measure in sight. 😵 Someone like Nina Raspudić has a massive media platform compared to Elvis.

And honestly, the idiots who put them in power are even more to blame. ☕

fadedbear43 said:Elvis selectively interprets the Bible to suit his own narrative. This is exactly what millions of other people do when they misinterpret the Bible, Quran, or Talmud, often leading to global conflicts. 😵 What he’s doing is nothing new; it’s a pattern we've seen countless times. He has every right to his perspective, whether people choose to accept it or not. In my view, the concept of a flat earth isn't inherently hate speech.

Regarding COVID, he obviously won't take responsibility. If anyone should be held accountable, it would be the politicians in Congress who built their entire platforms on opposing vaccines and other virus protections. 😵 A figure like Nina Raspudić has a media reach that far outweighs Elvis's.

What Elvis is doing is a textbook example of how different Christian denominations formed and how Catholicism eventually split apart. I have to hand it to him for having the guts to go out there publicly and share his views—just like everyone else who did it before him. You need a lot of courage to go almost directly against what you’re essentially trying to "sell," which is God. Though, I suppose they probably don't see it as selling. I’m thinking of all those other denominations that dare to go door-to-door, personally trying to convince folks to join them and believe what they believe. In the US, business has been broken down into such simple components that any person who reads the Bible or a summary could just go register a church and start preaching.

I actually thought the guy was pretty funny at first, but then he started getting interesting to me because some of the things he said actually made sense. So, I started trying to wrap my head around it, much like I did with the whole flat earth movement. Why would someone go to such extremes—facing public shaming and being treated like a pariah—just to claim something like that? After reading up on them a bit, watching some documentaries, and listening to a few debates, I stepped back to reflect.
People have completely legitimate questions, but the only thing they ever seem to get in return is total mockery. That really gets under my skin. Those scientists who try to explain things usually don't exactly win any popularity contests. Now, whether they were coached to act that way or not, I don't know. But when you watch a debate between an intelligent flat-earther and a scientist, you see a massive difference in how they process information. Scientists often seem to have this barrier where they simply miss the forest for the trees, while on the flip side, flat-earthers act like they can't see the trees for the forest. Instead of actually listening to one another and trying to find common ground or a sensible answer, they usually just attack or mock each other and move on.
The thing that irritates me most is the mockery or the dismissal, because that’s exactly why all these various theories gain traction—because they are persistently ignored. If people are wrong, then I think the only logical and decent way to handle it is to dismantle their arguments with facts and evidence so they'll finally be quiet. If you have nothing to criticize and you know you're right, then just break their arguments down into simple terms; it’s really that easy.

But I think that’s where the key to growth lies, both spiritually and materially. You have to step completely outside your comfort zone, against everything you thought you knew, everything you were taught, or everything you were told, and actually start questioning it. You need courage for that, and not everyone has it, mostly because everyone is too attached to material things. It's only when a person has nothing left but their own being that fear disappears. But that’s kind of the goal of the modern age, isn't it? To destroy the self. It’s interesting that it was only when people dared to question "someone else's" dogma that the world began to shake off its shackles and progress. And just as people liberated themselves from religious dogma, industrial development followed suit.

The Flat Earthers have gone so far down their own rabbit hole of questioning everything that I honestly think they’ve completely given up on science and the people behind it. But that's a mistake, really. If it wasn't for those very same scientists, we'd probably still be out there tilling gardens by hand or riding around on horses or camels instead of having the technology we have now.

I get where their arguments are coming from—they kind of make sense in a way—but unfortunately, they just don't have any actual proof. It seems like the world isn't looking for meaning anymore; it's just looking for evidence.

Kevin Rodriguez4 said:There’s actually quite a bit written in the Bible that lets you reconstruct how the ancient Hebrews viewed the world and their surroundings. Most of those reconstructions look pretty much the same, for example, like this:



If you want to dive deeper, maybe just Google "ancient Hebrew cosmology"

I'm familiar with all that. But honestly, it doesn't make sense to me to claim I know something or believe in something when I don't actually have a grasp on it. I don't mind reading or doing research, though. I really don't. Because God created every living thing, and there's truth to be found in everything.
We aren't going to find out what the actual shape of the earth is until an average person—someone totally disconnected from the establishment or the people in power—actually gets out into space, or maybe when we pass away. Until then, I guess we just have to rely on what we believe.

There's this one channel on YouTube called Vibes of Cosmos, and the guy has posted some pretty interesting videos regarding the shape and appearance of the earth. Whether he's right or not, I don't know, but it definitely captures the imagination of anyone who's curious.

Keith Morgan10 said:I'm familiar with all that. But honestly, it doesn't make sense to me to claim I know something or believe in something when I don't actually have a grasp on it. I don't mind reading or doing research, though. I really don't. Because God created every living thing, and there's truth to be found in everything.
We aren't going to find out what the actual shape of the earth is until an average person—someone totally disconnected from the establishment or the people in power—actually gets out into space, or maybe when we pass away. Until then, I guess we just have to rely on what we believe.

There's this one channel on YouTube called Vibes of Cosmos, and the guy has posted some pretty interesting videos regarding the shape and appearance of the earth. Whether he's right or not, I don't know, but it definitely captures the imagination of anyone who's curious.

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So you'd just hop in a rocket to see for yourself? I knew one flat-earther who tried something like that, but it didn't end well. Pretty sure he died. Guess he got his answer...

There's this one YouTube channel
I don't know if they're right, but it definitely scratches that itch for anyone looking for answers.

You don't know anything besides the religious stuff in your Holy Scripture. 🙂
You just take everything written there as gospel truth. 🥱

I disagree with the idea that the Quran and the Bible incite violence. Both are spiritually pure texts centered on peace and love. Having read both multiple times, I believe Judaism follows a similar path. The issue lies with extremist sects like ISIS or the Watchtower Society, which have only gained relevance by distorting the very faiths they claim to represent.

Regarding the flat earth concept, I am open to an evidence-based debate between experts in the field, such as Korado Korlević and Elvis Presley. Naturally, everyone will likely stick to their own convictions by the end of the discussion, but it would be fascinating to watch. 😁 Podcast Incubator is a fantastic production.

I don't engage in debates, so please refrain from quoting me.

In the latest Podcast Elvis, Elvis mentioned to Ratko that there are supposedly PhDs in physics right here in the States who don't believe in a globe and instead claim the earth is flat!

I find that hard to swallow. The flat earth concept essentially dismantles physics because it denies gravity, which is one of our most fundamental forces. If anyone is actually making such claims, I'd be quite interested to know who they are. 😁

fadedbear43 said:I disagree with the idea that the Quran and the Bible incite violence. Both are spiritually pure texts centered on peace and love. Having read both multiple times, I believe Judaism follows a similar path. The issue lies with extremist sects like ISIS or the Watchtower Society, which have only gained relevance by distorting the very faiths they claim to represent.

Regarding the flat earth concept, I am open to an evidence-based debate between experts in the field, such as Korado Korlević and Elvis Presley. Naturally, everyone will likely stick to their own convictions by the end of the discussion, but it would be fascinating to watch. 😁 Podcast Incubator is a fantastic production.

I don't engage in debates, so please refrain from quoting me.

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That’s exactly why I dropped this example on you. I knew you'd just start chanting that "la la la" mantra about the Bible being nothing but love and God's Word:

The Bible is constantly calling for the total wipeout of anyone who doesn't worship the specific version of God scribbled down on those pages. The same goes for the Quran and its jihad.

KILL your wife, your best friend, your son, your daughter, your mother, or your father—if they try to push you toward worshipping any god that isn't Yahweh. Stone them until they're gone:

Deuteronomy 13:7-11

"If your brother,
your mother's son,
or your own son,
your daughter,
your wife, or
your close friend,
secretly entices you by saying,
'Let us go off and worship other gods,'
gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether they are near or far, from one end of the land to the other—do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity, do not spare them, and do not protect them;
kill them!
You must be the first to strike them down, and then everyone else.
Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from Yahweh"

Deuteronomy 13:7-11

And I'm not getting into debates, so please don't quote me.

Go to Mass then, not an online forum. ☕

Don't the Bible and the Quran incite violence? 😁 Which versions have you actually been reading?

In the Old Testament, there are countless instances where killing and destruction are explicitly called for.
And in the Quran, it says something like this:

"Once the sacred months have passed, slay the polytheists wherever you find them,
capture them, besiege them, and take them at every pass! But if they repent
and perform their prayers and give zakat, leave them alone, for Allah truly
is forgiving and merciful"

The main difference I see between the Old Testament and the Quran is that in the Old Testament, the people ordered to kill were usually doing something truly heinous and revolting—you can read those details between the lines—whereas in the Quran, the target is anyone who is a polytheist or an infidel.

To me, the problem isn't really the Quran or the Bible itself, but rather how people interpret them. Someone comes along, finds a specific passage that fits their agenda, and just starts hammering away with it. Looking back at history, you see Christians persecuting other Christians, or radical Muslims going after anyone who doesn't follow their exact way of life.

There are probably plenty of highly educated, scholarly people who understand these things much better than the average person, but they feel they can't speak out publicly because of the dogmatic grip of the institutions they belong to. It’s almost a universal trait among scientists regarding the flat earth theory—there's this heavy silence. Those who do speak up tend to be either very condescending or they just loudly mock anyone else. Well, it's written in the Bible that the whole world is under the influence of evil, so I don't see why certain institutions, including religious ones, should be any different.
On a side note, there’s a scientist/professor from Mexico living in Canada who speaks openly about this (Tomislav Terzin), though even with him, you can tell he’s being incredibly careful about his wording and how he presents himself (he always adds disclaimers). He's caught between his academic institution and his religious ties.

There was actually a pretty serious debate in Mexico recently—I can't recall the name of the channel—where a few highly educated professors went head-to-head with flat earthers; some of them even performed experiments. I wouldn't say one side clearly won, but it was definitely interesting to watch. I'll post the link or the video title once I track it down.

Here it is, there are several episodes...



It’s quite obvious that one group is attacking with general logic (without really diving into the depths of science), while the other is hitting hard with modern scientific theories and complex calculations, yet they seem unable or unwilling to look at the broader logical picture. Regardless, it’s worth a look.

Keith Morgan10 said:Don't the Bible and the Quran incite violence? 😁 Which versions have you actually been reading?

In the Old Testament, there are countless instances where killing and destruction are explicitly called for.
And in the Quran, it says something like this:

"Once the sacred months have passed, slay the polytheists wherever you find them,
capture them, besiege them, and take them at every pass! But if they repent
and perform their prayers and give zakat, leave them alone, for Allah truly
is forgiving and merciful"

The main difference I see between the Old Testament and the Quran is that in the Old Testament, the people ordered to kill were usually doing something truly heinous and revolting—you can read those details between the lines—whereas in the Quran, the target is anyone who is a polytheist or an infidel.

To me, the problem isn't really the Quran or the Bible itself, but rather how people interpret them. Someone comes along, finds a specific passage that fits their agenda, and just starts hammering away with it. Looking back at history, you see Christians persecuting other Christians, or radical Muslims going after anyone who doesn't follow their exact way of life.

There are probably plenty of highly educated, scholarly people who understand these things much better than the average person, but they feel they can't speak out publicly because of the dogmatic grip of the institutions they belong to. It’s almost a universal trait among scientists regarding the flat earth theory—there's this heavy silence. Those who do speak up tend to be either very condescending or they just loudly mock anyone else. Well, it's written in the Bible that the whole world is under the influence of evil, so I don't see why certain institutions, including religious ones, should be any different.
On a side note, there’s a scientist/professor from Mexico living in Canada who speaks openly about this (Tomislav Terzin), though even with him, you can tell he’s being incredibly careful about his wording and how he presents himself (he always adds disclaimers). He's caught between his academic institution and his religious ties.

There was actually a pretty serious debate in Mexico recently—I can't recall the name of the channel—where a few highly educated professors went head-to-head with flat earthers; some of them even performed experiments. I wouldn't say one side clearly won, but it was definitely interesting to watch. I'll post the link or the video title once I track it down.

Here it is, there are several episodes...

It’s quite obvious that one group is attacking with general logic (without really diving into the depths of science), while the other is hitting hard with modern scientific theories and complex calculations, yet they seem unable or unwilling to look at the broader logical picture. Regardless, it’s worth a look.

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Most believers don't actually read their own Holy Scriptures. They just blindly follow whatever their preachers, priests, or pastors feed them.

In the Old Testament, there are countless times people are killed or destroyed, and it's justified for that.

Why use the passive voice? 🤔

God orders the slaughter of infants and pregnant women, plus He kills firstborns Himself, drowns entire populations, kids, and animals with floods, and so on. Then you have Jesus yelling about how not a single law from God's law from the Old Testament should ever be changed or repealed! He even repeats that God (both His Father and Himself) commanded that children who curse their parents be stoned. He doesn't say the law of stoning was abolished as some sadistic monstrosity. He just warns the girl not to sin again... (in a fictionalized addition).

And the Quran says this:
"When the sacred months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and take up positions at every pass! But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakat, then let them go, for Allah is truly forgiving and merciful"

Yeah. Same trash, just 600 years newer.

The difference between the Old Testament and the Quran is that in the OT those being killed did something absolutely vile and disgusting.

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Babies and newborns? Pregnant women who got pregnant out of wedlock, back when marriage was basically a male-dominated institution of slavery?

(the details are sort of implied)

Are you kidding me? 😂
Apologetics fans?

, whereas in the Quran, it's if you're a polytheist or an infidel.

Or if you "attribute a Son to God," what's the absolute worst blasphemy Allah loses his mind over?

In my view, the problem isn't the Quran or the Bible, it's the interpretations.

It’s actually the other way around. 🙂

Theapologists and apologists have spent forever trying to sugarcoat messy texts like the Quran-Bible with their own spin. They're basically just trying to repackage everything into some kind of modern ethical code so they don't get wiped out by progress.

A person is born and for some reason latches onto one specific part and starts attacking it. Looking back at history, you had Christians persecuting and killing other Christians, and radical Muslims killing anyone who didn't follow their exact path.

"Some"? It was more the rule than the exception. The Inquisition would still be burning people alive today if people hadn't eventually decided to clip their claws.

scientists around the flat earth are mocked,

Flat Earth? Give me a break. Who am I even talking to... 🙂

those who do say anything usually do it condescendingly, or they're just loud mockers.

Idiots deserve to be mocked. And conspiracy theorists are just shameless lowlifes with zero honor.

Clearly in New Zealand it says the whole world is under evil,

Sure, you can read anything on a billboard.
As far as I know, New Zealand is still grouped with the Old Testament in the Bible.
Completely inseparable.

Among other things, a Mexican scientist/professor in Canada speaks publicly about it (Tomislav Terzin),

That creationist liar, that religious fanatic? 😵

There was one serious debate in Mexico

🤣 There is no such thing as a serious debate about a flat earth. It's just a circus filled with Bible worshippers.

Religion and politics aren't topics for debate. They are matters of personal culture and worldview. I hold my views, you hold yours, and arguing over who is more "right" is simply a waste of energy.

Admittedly, as a columnist, I focus on analyzing global social issues within established media outlets rather than on obscure forums that nobody reads. I respect what forums offer, but I believe they serve a different purpose.

I only stopped by here to drop a quick note for Elvis, and that’s all. Elvis, if you're reading this, try to dial back the arrogance; as for everything else, I'll stay out of it. I'd much rather see a head-to-head debate with Korado.

Keith Morgan10 said:Don't the Bible and the Quran incite violence? 😁 Which versions have you actually been reading?

In the Old Testament, there are countless instances where killing and destruction are explicitly called for.
And in the Quran, it says something like this:

"Once the sacred months have passed, slay the polytheists wherever you find them,
capture them, besiege them, and take them at every pass! But if they repent
and perform their prayers and give zakat, leave them alone, for Allah truly
is forgiving and merciful"

The main difference I see between the Old Testament and the Quran is that in the Old Testament, the people ordered to kill were usually doing something truly heinous and revolting—you can read those details between the lines—whereas in the Quran, the target is anyone who is a polytheist or an infidel.

To me, the problem isn't really the Quran or the Bible itself, but rather how people interpret them. Someone comes along, finds a specific passage that fits their agenda, and just starts hammering away with it. Looking back at history, you see Christians persecuting other Christians, or radical Muslims going after anyone who doesn't follow their exact way of life.

There are probably plenty of highly educated, scholarly people who understand these things much better than the average person, but they feel they can't speak out publicly because of the dogmatic grip of the institutions they belong to. It’s almost a universal trait among scientists regarding the flat earth theory—there's this heavy silence. Those who do speak up tend to be either very condescending or they just loudly mock anyone else. Well, it's written in the Bible that the whole world is under the influence of evil, so I don't see why certain institutions, including religious ones, should be any different.
On a side note, there’s a scientist/professor from Mexico living in Canada who speaks openly about this (Tomislav Terzin), though even with him, you can tell he’s being incredibly careful about his wording and how he presents himself (he always adds disclaimers). He's caught between his academic institution and his religious ties.

There was actually a pretty serious debate in Mexico recently—I can't recall the name of the channel—where a few highly educated professors went head-to-head with flat earthers; some of them even performed experiments. I wouldn't say one side clearly won, but it was definitely interesting to watch. I'll post the link or the video title once I track it down.

Here it is, there are several episodes...

It’s quite obvious that one group is attacking with general logic (without really diving into the depths of science), while the other is hitting hard with modern scientific theories and complex calculations, yet they seem unable or unwilling to look at the broader logical picture. Regardless, it’s worth a look.

Look, if you actually want to understand these verses, you have to look at the context in which they were originally revealed.