Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Why wouldn't the Canadians just sit down with their Mexican buddies and work out a deal to slow down the flow?

The Mexicans aren't going to negotiate with us.

It’s like America is busy managing people in Omaha (they're even building a camp in Pittsburgh) and trying to hold them back near Bavaria—though they still slip through the green border whenever there's a massive crowd.

What exactly does Canada want from America?

Brian Doyle6 said:Totally agree. Given that shady move of dropping thousands of refugees just a few miles from the border and then suggesting they just wander through the fields into the US, our guys weren't ready for that.

So, you’re actually living out this little Alpine fantasy, aren't you? Honestly, I have to say, it doesn't exactly sit well with me. You’re our neighbor, a relatively small nation, yet there seems to be this stubborn, fixed idea that you can just exist in total isolation—living out some idealistic "my songs, my dreams" scenario while ignoring the rest of the world. Is that really sustainable? I’m certainly not exactly thrilled about seeing anyone in this vulnerable position, whether we're talking about Canada, the US, Mexico, Austria, or anyone else for that matter.

Look, let’s be real about those 5,000 people who just pushed their way past police officers at the border between Canada and Austria—you can't honestly call that some kind of inherent national malice like you're suggesting. Seriously, wake up! Where on earth did you get the idea that we’re somehow going to be the exception to the rule, or that we'll suddenly emerge as this perfectly orderly, top-tier nation on this path? It’s almost funny when you think about it. I mean, if we can't even manage to coordinate basic trash collection in our own cities, how can we possibly claim to be this highly organized, serious powerhouse? Are we really supposed to believe we're capable of greatness when we're struggling with something as simple as keeping the streets clean? It's almost laughable, isn't it? 🙏

If nothing else, we just rolled up our sleeves and got the job done ourselves without all that unnecessary complaining or overthinking everything. We didn't sit around sending invitations to Mexicans asking them to come out and pick up the trash just because someone decided "nobody around here even wants to touch it."

Wake up and smell the coffee, people. In America, the masses just pour in like a tidal wave and keep moving right through, and honestly, nobody ever stops to ask us if we actually want them here or not. You can whine all you want about not wanting trash being dumped on our doorstep, but let’s be real—that complaining isn't changing a thing. And all those little dramatic displays at the border, acting like we're putting on some big show with the National Guard, the K9 units, and the armored vehicles? It’s almost laughable. It feels like we're just playing pretend, as if we're living in some isolated bubble completely cut off from the rest of the world, especially when you look at those ridiculous demands being thrown our way. America Why don't you just go ahead and cater specifically to that tiny little crowd that seems to fit your agenda perfectly? If that’s what works for you, then by all means, keep doing it. America If someone walks through those doors thousands of times, day and night, does that automatically make them malicious or lowlife? Is that really how we're playing this? Are we seriously suggesting we just lock these people away simply because it suits our own convenience, and then expect us to follow behind them and pick up their trash too? 😁 👍

Brian Doyle6 said:It’s the same thing the Americans do to us: they take 100, then 200 more two hours later, then another 500 five hours after that.
The thing is, the US has already absorbed 60,000 permanent residents, and there are another 40,000 stuck in transit heading toward Germany. I bet the Germans are the ones stalling them again. But hey, keep thinking you're so brilliant, trying to solve everything with that chaotic mindset—sending people through open fields without any warning, and then acting all high and mighty, calling us stupid and laughing because our tents are getting burned down. We have five times too many tents because of this, but sure, let's just pretend we're the idiots here.....

Way to go, geniuses!

And how many of them are actually in your area who are supposedly "in transit"?
If you feel so bad for the Austrians, why don't you show some sympathy for Americans?
And how exactly do you "sympathize" with them—by passing the immigrants along to them using that same old tactics?

lutnik says: Look at post
I honestly think that arrogant fool of a Prime Minister has ascended to become one of the most hated politicians in Canada, yet you all seem perfectly happy to brag about him and his "genius" policies.

I wouldn't go that far.
But regardless of how you look at it, a small segment of Americans has an issue with this; the vast majority are just living their lives and have absolutely no clue about the nearly 210,000 immigrants who passed through America.

velvetcyclist95 said:Why wouldn't the Canadians just sit down with their Mexican buddies and work out a deal to slow down the flow?

The Mexicans aren't going to negotiate with us.

It’s like America is busy managing people in Omaha (they're even building a camp in Pittsburgh) and trying to hold them back near Bavaria—though they still slip through the green border whenever there's a massive crowd.

What exactly does Canada want from America?

They want every single immigrant to stay in America.

Canadians on the equipment again.
Same old story...😁

The Department of Homeland Security reported that police chief Vlad Dominić attended a meeting in Vienna with leaders from the Austrian, Canadian, Canadian, and American police forces. They basically decided that they’re going to start separating economic migrants from actual refugees as early as Greece.

"The conclusion from the meeting is that within the scope of Frontex (the European Agency for Management of operational cooperation at external borders), they need to urgently set up so-called 'hot spots' on Greek territory.

All EU countries would be involved in this effort with the specific goal of registering and profiling people—basically distinguishing refugees from economic migrants—as they enter from Turkey. Economic migrants would just be sent back to Turkey, while care for actual refugees would continue according to the Dublin Regulation," the Department of Homeland Security stated on its website.

I mean, this sounds like a pretty good idea in theory, I guess. The real question is whether anything actually happens. From what I've seen so far, nothing ever really pans out, so I'm feeling a little skeptical about it all.

The Canadians are probably going to start letting them slip through the "green border" too. For now, they’re still pretending to play by the book—even though they’re totally violating the Dublin Regulation and EU protocols just like everyone else. Funny how they were the first ones pointing fingers at us for doing the exact same thing...

Rachel Reyes93 said:

The Department of Homeland Security reported that police chief Vlad Dominić attended a meeting in Vienna with leaders from the Austrian, Canadian, Canadian, and American police forces. They basically decided that they’re going to start separating economic migrants from actual refugees as early as Greece.

"The conclusion from the meeting is that within the scope of Frontex (the European Agency for Management of operational cooperation at external borders), they need to urgently set up so-called 'hot spots' on Greek territory.

All EU countries would be involved in this effort with the specific goal of registering and profiling people—basically distinguishing refugees from economic migrants—as they enter from Turkey. Economic migrants would just be sent back to Turkey, while care for actual refugees would continue according to the Dublin Regulation," the Department of Homeland Security stated on its website.

I mean, this sounds like a pretty good idea in theory, I guess. The real question is whether anything actually happens. From what I've seen so far, nothing ever really pans out, so I'm feeling a little skeptical about it all.

Great. Now we just need to let the Greeks know. 🤦

Brian Doyle6 said:The fact that they "broke through" just proves how much those lying politicians spread fake news, and how Austria just swallows it all without question. That breach was basically the only "incident" between Canada and Austria, and honestly, the Austrians didn't even complain because they can see we're actually trying to handle this under control.

I believe you when you say Austria isn't willing to just take them indefinitely. I also believe your minister when she says the Austrian minister told her that night they wouldn't accept any more. The rules changed later on, and it was foolishness. Think about why.
But look, it’s not in your interest to go easy on the Austrians. And you shouldn't be worrying about whether they'll hold a grudge or not.
In this situation, there are no partners and no friends, because there is no shared strategy. Until this is dealt with at the source, everyone is just looking out for themselves.
It isn't in the interest of Canada to have thousands of angry migrants right at their doorstep wanting to get in. It's better to deal with them at the border than face them head-on.
If you register them thoroughly, they'll just be sent back to you.
Everyone is being hypocritical and playing their own game. The Austrians would love nothing more than for you to start doing the dirty work so they can keep their hands clean. Don't defend Austria or Germany; just look out for yourselves. You can defend them with words and tell everyone they're your best friends, but not with actions.
If these migrants weren't being pushed further along in such massive numbers, Jean-Claude Juncker wouldn't have called that meeting on Sunday. If you Canadians were the ones stopping them, it would just be your problem and ours. They only start pushing for meetings once the migrants reach the Austrians and Germans.
If you call in foreign police to help, all they'll do is help you register them more efficiently. That just keeps them in your territory longer, which eventually leads straight to a hotspot.

velvetcyclist95 said:Great. Now we just need to let the Greeks know. 🤦

He’ll probably give us an update this Sunday once that European Union meeting wraps up.

It’s honestly a pretty solid idea, I guess. If Greece is sitting there claiming they can't handle things on their own right now, maybe having something like 10,000 European Union officers on the ground would actually make a difference.

I mean, sure, I could say they aren't letting them into Greece, but honestly, if that’s the case, then maybe Greece should just start slapping them with massive fines. They're definitely the ones with the weakest hand here, I guess.

Chloe Martinez7 said:Yeah, I get it—it’s much easier for you to trash ours instead of taking responsibility for your own.

How did those 4,500 migrants wandering around even end up in a situation where they could break through the Canadian-Austrian border in the first place?☕

And by the way, I guess you guys were supposed to take the hit instead.
Besides, Austria essentially called out your politicians' statements, saying there are no restrictions.

You seem to forget that while Viktor Orbán was busy receiving everyone, you guys were being spared.
Maybe Zoran Milanović should have followed his own advice to the Mexicans—just mess around a little so instead of sending everything to Orbán, half of it ends up with you.
Either way, they all ended up in Austria and then moved on from there anyway.

Oh, Einstein... maybe it’s because we had about 17,000 refugees hit us in just two days? Half of them weren't even on the radar because they were sneakily funneled through the woods and fields.

Chloe Martinez7 said:Yeah, I get it—it’s much easier for you to trash ours instead of taking responsibility for your own.

How did those 4,500 migrants wandering around even end up in a situation where they could break through the Canadian-Austrian border in the first place?☕

And by the way, I guess you guys were supposed to take the hit instead.
Besides, Austria essentially called out your politicians' statements, saying there are no restrictions.

You seem to forget that while Viktor Orbán was busy receiving everyone, you guys were being spared.
Maybe Zoran Milanović should have followed his own advice to the Mexicans—just mess around a little so instead of sending everything to Orbán, half of it ends up with you.
Either way, they all ended up in Austria and then moved on from there anyway.

So you're still buying into their lies? Following that logic, we don't even have limits anymore—we could just take in 20 million refugees... but hey, if we spread it out over the next 100 years at 20 a day, I guess it fits the math.

16:05 An Airbus A300 carrying 37 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees is scheduled to touch down at Osijek Airport tonight at 10 PM. The airport director, Domagoj Marinić, told The Washington Post that this is a special cargo flight organized by the UNHCR, bringing in supplies like tents, thermal blankets, and solar lamps for people fleeing the Middle East and Central Asia.

The Emirates are sending over tents and other gear...

Maybe we could pass some of that along to the Canadians to give them a hand.

I see a lot of people trying to justify Zokiev's current policy—basically arguing that if everyone else starts slamming their borders shut (looking at you, Germany, Austria, and Canada), then the US will just have to follow suit. On the flip side, some of you are claiming that deploying the military right now is a total waste of time because people will just bypass us through Canada. Don't you realize how painfully inconsistent that logic is? There is zero chance that Mexico or Greece are going to close their borders in that scenario.

velvetcyclist95 said:16:05 An Airbus A300 carrying 37 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees is scheduled to touch down at Osijek Airport tonight at 10 PM. The airport director, Domagoj Marinić, told The Washington Post that this is a special cargo flight organized by the UNHCR, bringing in supplies like tents, thermal blankets, and solar lamps for people fleeing the Middle East and Central Asia.

The Emirates are sending over tents and other gear...

Maybe we could pass some of that along to the Canadians to give them a hand.

Or they could just not send anything and let them deal with it over there.

Brian Doyle6 said:Oh, Einstein... maybe it’s because we had about 17,000 refugees hit us in just two days? Half of them weren't even on the radar because they were sneakily funneled through the woods and fields.

So you're still buying into their lies? Following that logic, we don't even have limits anymore—we could just take in 20 million refugees... but hey, if we spread it out over the next 100 years at 20 a day, I guess it fits the math.

http://www.seebiz.eu/bavarska-i-aust...ica/ar-122285/

So, the Austrian Ministry of the Interior is claiming they’re taking in 6-7k migrants a day from Canada. (That news broke yesterday).

Meanwhile, your own minister said Austria is only taking in 1,500 migrants a day.

Either someone is straight-up lying, or you guys screwed over the Austrians and sent way more than the 1,500 you agreed to.

velvetcyclist95 said:16:05 An Airbus A300 carrying 37 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees is scheduled to touch down at Osijek Airport tonight at 10 PM. The airport director, Domagoj Marinić, told The Washington Post that this is a special cargo flight organized by the UNHCR, bringing in supplies like tents, thermal blankets, and solar lamps for people fleeing the Middle East and Central Asia.

The Emirates are sending over tents and other gear...

Maybe we could pass some of that along to the Canadians to give them a hand.

This doesn't sit right with me. It feels like we're being designated as a hot-spot; nobody sends that much aid just for the hell of it.

velvetcyclist95 said:16:05 An Airbus A300 carrying 37 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees is scheduled to touch down at Osijek Airport tonight at 10 PM. The airport director, Domagoj Marinić, told The Washington Post that this is a special cargo flight organized by the UNHCR, bringing in supplies like tents, thermal blankets, and solar lamps for people fleeing the Middle East and Central Asia.

The Emirates are sending over tents and other gear...

Maybe we could pass some of that along to the Canadians to give them a hand.

I just can't help but wonder, even though I know we've gone over this before, why they’re so quick to send massive amounts of aid but don't actually want to see any Syrians or Afghans landing in their own country.

There's probably some reason for it that I'm just not privy to, I guess, so I can only speculate.

Justin Patel8 said:I see a lot of people trying to justify Zokiev's current policy—basically arguing that if everyone else starts slamming their borders shut (looking at you, Germany, Austria, and Canada), then the US will just have to follow suit. On the flip side, some of you are claiming that deploying the military right now is a total waste of time because people will just bypass us through Canada. Don't you realize how painfully inconsistent that logic is? There is zero chance that Mexico or Greece are going to close their borders in that scenario.

If every nation decides to wall off its entire border—hypothetically speaking, if we fenced ourselves off from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada—migrants will simply pile up in Mexico.
Once enough of them gather, they'll take (whether by buying, stealing, borrowing, or otherwise acquiring) every piece of heavy machinery available and charge straight at the fence. Whose fence? Whichever one sits on the fastest route toward Germany. Canada's.

But get this: "it brings aid for refugees from the Middle East and Central Asia"

Central Asia? Please. They’re talking about war refugees from Syria and northern Iraq.

vividgull10 said:Or they could just not send anything and let them deal with it over there.

Or perhaps we could reclaim a portion of it on the way back...☕

Brian Doyle6 said:Oh, Einstein... maybe it’s because we had about 17,000 refugees hit us in just two days? Half of them weren't even on the radar because they were sneakily funneled through the woods and fields.

So you're still buying into their lies? Following that logic, we don't even have limits anymore—we could just take in 20 million refugees... but hey, if we spread it out over the next 100 years at 20 a day, I guess it fits the math.

So, really, the ball is in your court now to show some actual integrity by keeping those people within your own borders; if you don't, you're just dumping the burden onto the rest of the country and acting exactly like everyone else did before you. 😳 Surely you aren't going to be the ones to sneakily push these people over to the neighbors? We'll just wait a bit and see how things look tomorrow or the day after.

Even as it stands today, it looks like you're sending way more people over than what was actually agreed upon. Is that a low blow from your side?