Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Brian Doyle6 said:Oh, Einstein... maybe it’s because we had about 17,000 refugees hit us in just two days? Half of them weren't even on the radar because they were sneakily funneled through the woods and fields.

So you're still buying into their lies? Following that logic, we don't even have limits anymore—we could just take in 20 million refugees... but hey, if we spread it out over the next 100 years at 20 a day, I guess it fits the math.

This doesn't smell right. It feels like we've been designated as a hot-spot; they wouldn't be sending this much aid for no reason.

Following discussions between the US Vice President, the US Secretary of Homeland Security Rank Ostojić, and the Ambassador of Qatar to the US, Moze Bint Nasser bin Ahmed Ali Al-Thani, a plane carrying 50 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees from that nation landed today at Chicago Airport. According to Ostojić, the aid has been transported to the winter camp in Pittsburgh and is ready for distribution.

Jessica King9 said:If every nation decides to wall off its entire border—hypothetically speaking, if we fenced ourselves off from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada—migrants will simply pile up in Mexico.
Once enough of them gather, they'll take (whether by buying, stealing, borrowing, or otherwise acquiring) every piece of heavy machinery available and charge straight at the fence. Whose fence? Whichever one sits on the fastest route toward Germany. Canada's.

Justin Patel8 said:How can you be so sure that Mexicans won't just direct them to break the American border instead? You actually believe Mexicans love you guys enough to nudge them toward Canada—especially when Zoran claims there's some secret pact between the Mexicans and Canadians against him.

Besides, how do you know they’ll even breach the Canadian border, especially since the Canadians have legalized using rubber bullets on illegal entrants, whereas on our side—given that our politics are run by an NGO mafia—nobody will even touch that.

And finally, even if they manage to get past us, who’s to say they won't cruise right through the Canadian border? Especially since Zoran's administration has basically banned citizens from lending them anything in the name of being "humanitarian."

Wouldn't it be better to just build the wall now and strike a deal with the Canadians to protect the perimeter together? Just send in the military to intercept anyone crossing illegally with rubber bullets? Canada will probably follow suit soon anyway—don't kid yourself thinking the European Union is some kind of left-liberal utopia.

Justin Patel8 said:This doesn't sit right with me. It feels like we're being designated as a hot-spot; nobody sends that much aid just for the hell of it.

Rachel Reyes93 said:I just can't help but wonder, even though I know we've gone over this before, why they’re so quick to send massive amounts of aid but don't actually want to see any Syrians or Afghans landing in their own country.

There's probably some reason for it that I'm just not privy to, I guess, so I can only speculate.

Justin Patel8 said:How can you be so sure that Mexicans won't just direct them to break the American border instead? You actually believe Mexicans love you guys enough to nudge them toward Canada—especially when Zoran claims there's some secret pact between the Mexicans and Canadians against him.

Besides, how do you know they’ll even breach the Canadian border, especially since the Canadians have legalized using rubber bullets on illegal entrants, whereas on our side—given that our politics are run by an NGO mafia—nobody will even touch that.

And finally, even if they manage to get past us, who’s to say they won't cruise right through the Canadian border? Especially since Zoran's administration has basically banned citizens from lending them anything in the name of being "humanitarian."

Wouldn't it be better to just build the wall now and strike a deal with the Canadians to protect the perimeter together? Just send in the military to intercept anyone crossing illegally with rubber bullets? Canada will probably follow suit soon anyway—don't kid yourself thinking the European Union is some kind of left-liberal utopia.

velvetcyclist95 said:Plus, the Government is already looking to the EU to bail us out with tents, blankets, and all that stuff.

Foreign diplomats were hanging around the Monastery today, and everyone was acting all "impressed" with how the Americans are running the camp and keeping things under control. 😵

So, we can't let some Hotspot become a permanent buffer zone—like a second line of defense for the EU after Greece.😵

Chloe Martinez7 said:How exactly do you know Mexicans won't just direct them to breach the American border instead? Do you honestly believe Mexicans love you enough to push them toward Canada, especially since Zoran claims there's an agreement between the Mexicans and Canadians against him?

Furthermore, how can you be sure they'll break through the Canadian border, particularly since the Canadians have legalized using rubber bullets on illegal entrants, whereas on our side—since our policy is driven by an NGO mafia—they won't do that at all.

And finally, even if they do breach the American border, who's to say they'll be able to break through the Canadian border, especially since Zoran's government has forbidden citizens from lending them anything, all in the name of being "humane."[/I]

northernranger66 said:They don't want them in the States because they're allies with the US, and it's in their interest to see Syria torn apart and Bashar al-Assad kicked out of power. It’s simple math: the US wants those pipelines running through Syria toward Europe so they can cash in while simultaneously screwing over Russia and their European-bound oil lines. Russia's got its Mediterranean access right there by Syria, so obviously, they're looking out for their own skin. Look at Turkey, they're US allies and they're working against Syria. Jordan? US ally, working against Syria. Saudi Arabia? US ally, working against Syria. If you want the deep dive on this whole mess, check out this page here---http://hr.sott.net/article/751-Objasnjenje-rata-u-Siriji-za-sve-koji-zele-znati

Secretary of Homeland Security Ranko Ostojić told HINA in an interview that the US has sufficient capacity to handle refugee transit toward the border, that Americans aren't feeling the weight of this crisis, and that despite being egged on by certain political circles, he isn't worried about xenophobic sentiment rising in America.

The refugee situation is stable and everything is proceeding according to plan. Bottlenecks are occurring because of massive buildup at the Mexican border and the refusal to accept people at the border with Canada, Ostojić said. We had an agreement with NGOs to organize border crossings in groups of fifty—just enough to fill one bus—and when we do that, everything runs smoothly. Everything is functioning properly at the Opatovac camp, he noted, adding that the US will open a winter transit center in Slavonski Brod due to the weather, but he doesn't intend to open more facilities since there’s just no need for them.

We’ve been through quite a bit in these past 34 days; there has been sunshine and rain, and I am glad we haven't seen any fatalities during this refugee crisis, nor have there been epidemics; everything is organized to the extent possible. America isn't feeling the consequences of the crisis except financially, which we expect the European Union to resolve, but it’s vital that no one's life is disrupted because of this, Ostojić said.

We are setting up the winter transit center largely for our own people who are freezing for 12 hours—which is twice, sometimes four times longer, than the time refugees spend waiting, the Secretary said, adding that they will deal with new housing once the 1,640 people are relocated per the agreement with the European Union, at which point they will receive housing and be integrated into American society.

We sent a request to the Canadian side to designate specific locations where people can continue their transit; they replied that they are ready to meet. But there isn't time for a meeting, not even for a few hours. We suggested that half of the people arriving to us be transited toward Canada, while we would be prepared to hold the other half here in the camp, providing them with everything necessary—medical aid, food, and shelter—and that would make the system work, especially if we know there are no limitations imposed by Austria or Germany, he said.

He adds that the US chose the longest routes and made every possible offer, even suggesting that American trains could run directly to the Schengen area at the Canadian-Austrian border, "so people don't have to suffer."

However, he views Greece as the primary place to solve this problem, given that it is an EU member and should be a disciplined member of Schengen. "Greece probably has the strongest navy, they have 400 planes, 6 frigates, and all the rest; it would be much more efficient to encourage them to actually do their jobs. However, Greece is offloading 10,000 people a day, emptying its camps, relocating them, and sending people toward the European Union without any control, and what we are experiencing here is the direct result of that," he said.

None of this would be happening if the shortest route via Canada worked instead. Once they are offloaded from ferries on Lesbos, this could be organized in a much more humane way. This is literally torture for these people, **********

Rachel Reyes93 said:Yeah, okay, but whatever, I guess it's not like every single person from Syria (or Afghanistan) is gonna leave.
Even back in the day, when oil interests were a thing, they didn't just "clear out" over 50 million people from those countries.

We’re getting data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, along with intel from our own officers involved in Operation Poseidon. This gives us the ability to know, I guess, the exact numbers for every ferry passing through—exactly how many people are on board and how many are headed our way.

We also get info from our colleagues in Mexico, with whom we have a solid working relationship, and we exchange data with our Austrian counterparts through our National Coordination Center. All the incoming data gets verified regularly, according to Ostojić, who pulled up his phone to show an example of the tracking—showing things like passenger counts at specific stations in Salzburg or Vienna , total headcounts, and so on.

The only place we aren't receiving any data from is Mexico, Ostojić noted, adding: “You all know that until recently, there wasn't even much police presence on the other side, so we don't have those specific stats. However, we do know how many are on the move, how many are in processing centers, how many moved from Mexico toward Canada, and how many moved toward the US—basically everything we need to know.”

When asked if it sometimes feels like the situation catches host countries by surprise, Ostojić replied that there are "no surprises here," implying that as long as everyone sticks to the agreements, things should run smoothly.

northernranger66 said:Just dive into everything on this site and you'll see why this whole mess is actually happening: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/explaining-the-syrian-conflict

velvetcyclist95 said:16:05 An Airbus A300 carrying 37 tons of humanitarian aid for refugees is scheduled to touch down at Osijek Airport tonight at 10 PM. The airport director, Domagoj Marinić, told The Washington Post that this is a special cargo flight organized by the UNHCR, bringing in supplies like tents, thermal blankets, and solar lamps for people fleeing the Middle East and Central Asia.

The Emirates are sending over tents and other gear...

Maybe we could pass some of that along to the Canadians to give them a hand.

– I’m genuinely impressed by everything we’ve seen at Opatovac and by how much the US is doing to support refugees. These people aren't just statistics; they aren't dangerous. They are ordinary people, just like you or me – said Austrian Ambassador Andreas Wiedenhoff. He highlighted the excellent cooperation between the leaders of the US and Austria, noting that they speak daily to coordinate field operations regarding this crisis. When asked to comment on Canada's response, Wiedenhoff stated he couldn't speak on their behalf, though he understood why every nation is concerned, given that this entire situation is unprecedented for all of us.

NEW DRAMA AT THE BORDER: Americans have erected a barricade right where hundreds of refugees are surging; tensions are high, and a breach seems imminent

>>> UPDATE 17:42 The situation at the border remains critical. Even after US police managed to restore order, a new barricade was set up, only to be met by a fresh wave of several hundred refugees crowding against the obstacle like sardines. There are about 20 officers on site preventing the crossing, with translators using megaphones to relay instructions in Arabic, but the refugees don't seem particularly interested in listening. It looks like we might see another breach similar to what happened earlier today.

Jessica King9 said:The Mexicans don't love us; it's just that there are fewer fences to break through over there. Once everyone is hypothetically fenced in, everyone will be all for rubber bullets and whatnot—you won't find many humanitarians left then.
And even our own people are only "humanitarian" up to a point. When our interests are threatened, they tuck that humanity away and let people sleep in the mud, refusing to let them into the US or dumping them at the border with Canada to fend for themselves in the rain, mud, and cold.
I wouldn't protect anything alongside the Canadians. I don't trust them, and I haven't since before this crisis started. It’s strange how much they know about us and how interested they seem to be. That’s always been a red flag to me.
Besides, there are no friends here, as you all seem to fail to grasp. Everyone plays for themselves.