Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

coppermoose7 said:I'm with you, but only up until Tuesday 😉 and Zoki knows that perfectly well. He actually got a warning from Vienna today—he needs to hurry up. It’s like that old song, "Tuesday, like Grasse—I'll pour my pain out before you." 🐔

Man, this really hits home... seeing Canada close its borders like that. It’s honestly pretty moving to watch.
How does that even work? Like, you just shut down the border? Are the cops at the checkpoints really going to get their feelings hurt and just stop breathing if those 200,000 people don't slide their paperwork through the little window? Seriously...

Yeah, honestly? We might as well just rip off that patent ourselves at this point.

Morgan Newman7 said:There’s always a war somewhere. Once things settle down in Syria, a new conflict pops up elsewhere. Does that mean the whole European Union should just maintain an endless open-door policy for refugees and migrants forever?

Is there even a political party in America that supports helping refugees during their journey as part of forced migration?

In America, there hasn't been a Party like that for quite some time.

Sure. ☕

Look, I didn't exactly write it in all caps. ☕ So, you're asking me to list which political parties support providing aid to refugees? Real helpful. ☕ Trenuno, I didn't realize we had those kinds of people here in America. ☕

Lisa Patel4 said:🤣

Blaming the Marica River for not understanding geopolitics...

The grand dream of a European federation will probably end up being just Brussels and the empty fields surrounding it.

Revenger, how do you see the timeline playing out—basically the lifespan of the EU in our neck of the woods over the next 5 to 10 years? What’s the forecast for 2016, 2017... maybe even 2025? How do you see the whole process unfolding within the EU?
If you ask me—and I'm no expert, mind you—the EU project basically signed its own death warrant the second it stopped being a community of sovereign nations (the EZ) joined together for free trade and better competition, back in 1993 at Maastricht, and morphed into this political project aimed at becoming a full-blown Euro-federation with one unified policy for everything. Which, let's be honest, is just absurd. In my book, that was the beginning of the end for the Europe we've known since WWII. I think we're headed for some seriously wild times. After what felt like a super boring twenty-year stretch where absolutely nothing happened in Europe, I reckon the next 5 to 10 years are going to be incredibly turbulent—we're talking changes on a scale we haven't seen since the Treaty of Versailles. It’s going to be a hell of a ride watching which way things swing.

Jerry Phillips19 said:George Bakondi, an advisor to the Canadian Prime Minister focused on national security, informed the media on Wednesday that there have been no illegal crossings at the border between Canada and the US over the last two days.

A sturdy fence acts just like a reliable safety net. ☕

It seems migrants aren't even mentioning Canada anymore. Now they’re placing all the blame on Canada and the US, complaining that the transit isn't smooth enough and making quite a scene about it.

Orban Care... 🎉

The barrier works, especially when you combine it with strict laws against illegal entry and a heavy-handed police force to enforce them.
You won't find better proof than this. This is empirical evidence of how effective a border wall actually is at stopping illegal crossings.

Anthony Garcia19 said:One way to cause instability is by wrecking relationships between member states. Honestly, all of this could just be part of the same big plan.

It raises the question: were international relations actually stable enough before the White House crisis hit? ☕ It’s a logical conclusion: of course they aren't. ☕

Anthony Garcia19 said:But they also weren't unstable enough to trigger a massive shift in how the EU operates—whether we're talking about pulling closer together or falling apart completely.

Well, that’s exactly where their stability hits a wall. Basically, they lacked the momentum to actually change anything.☕

Lisa Patel4 said:Exactly. See, you get it.

Russia would exploit the situation and try to stage a coup through the SVR, the Greek military, and the Greek Orthodox Church.

Honestly, Russia isn't interested in Greece right now—if they were, they would have jumped on this opportunity ages ago. Even those Syrize folks actually went to Moscow to ask for help before that referendum, but they just got brushed off. As long as Greece doesn't decide to ditch NATO for the sake of the West (well, America), everything stays status quo.

Justin Patel8 said:Look, this isn't my problem—it’s certainly not America's problem either. We didn't exactly send out an invitation, and we don't owe them a thing. They have plenty of other options available to them—for instance, they could just stay in Mexico or head back to Turkey.

Which locals? They don't even have shoes or coats—they’re starving. Honestly, there's probably someone in that crowd with a fat wallet hidden away... and that's exactly where the trouble starts. People end up smuggling stuff across the country right under everyone's noses, and our local taxi drivers are basically acting as their accomplices.

Look, you see plenty of testimonies on this forum where people swear they’ve got the cash to pay smugglers for iPhones and other overpriced junk—basically, they have enough money for designer coats and shoes. I actually spotted some of them in downtown Chicago buying SIM cards, and one guy even had the nerve to ask me where the Sheraton was because he wanted to crash there. Not to mention, most of them are men in their prime. We had a war here once, and the refugees back then just didn't act like this.

Is it because they're being let into Germany?

They’re letting them slip through the borders without any documentation—which, by the way, is a direct violation of US state law. It’s not just a legal mess, either—it's a legitimate threat to our national security.

Where exactly are all these "numerous forum testimonies" everyone keeps talking about?

As far as the paperwork and the legalities go, it seems like everyone is just collectively deciding to ignore every single boundary in existence. I guess that's just how things work now.

Brandon Myers said:Yeah, honestly, you could probably fit all 2 million refugees currently in Turkey into that one camp.

Yeah, I guess that camp could probably fit all 2 million refugees currently stuck in Turkey.[/I]

Oh, please. It’s not just you.
There are probably two more waiting in the wings. ☕

coppermoose7 said:If you can just set aside all that hostility toward us as a people, then maybe you'll actually start thinking 🍿

http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija...nti_21_10.aspx

Where on earth did you get the idea that Americans hate Canadians?

How can you possibly justify such a sweeping generalization?

The BBC is at it again with more high-stakes drama. Honestly, I guess it’s becoming a bit predictable at this point, but maybe that's just me. says:
I suspect nothing will be forced upon us against our will, but we won't even notice when it happens. It’ll be gradual, almost insidious. It starts with this material aid, then moves to humanitarian assistance, and before we know it, we’ll have become some sort of massive collection hub. We won't even realize what hit us.
I suppose this is a worst-case scenario; let's hope it doesn't come to this, but... I'm worried.

don't you worry
TK will have everything sorted by 11/09
along with KGK

coppermoose7 said:Just curious—if closing off Canada isn't in the interest of the European Union, isn't there some other way to keep a country in line? 😉

really?
well, if the European Union has a way—which they haven't used on Greece—then maybe.
Either the European Union or Schengen.

Anthony Cook40 said:I can see it for myself. None of the big players—think Germany, France, or the UK—are actually in a great spot economically right now, and things in Southern Europe are honestly looking pretty dire.
I mean, countries like Greece, Spain, and Italy are already struggling just to keep their healthcare and social security systems afloat under all the pressure from their own citizens. Now, on top of all that, they're expected to fund housing, medical care, food, language classes, and full-scale integration for newcomers... and let's be real, trying to integrate these men into society is an even bigger hurdle.

Money isn't the issue here; the lack of consensus is. ☕

Alexander Ortiz3 said:The barrier works, especially when you combine it with strict laws against illegal entry and a heavy-handed police force to enforce them.
You won't find better proof than this. This is empirical evidence of how effective a border wall actually is at stopping illegal crossings.

Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

No offense intended—but I’m just sitting here fascinated by how everyone seems so incredibly welcoming toward all these exotic cultures, especially in a country where the biggest curse is usually having your neighbor be a total nightmare...

Joshua Kelly51 said:Sure. ☕

Look, I didn't exactly write it in all caps. ☕ So, you're asking me to list which political parties support providing aid to refugees? Real helpful. ☕ Trenuno, I didn't realize we had those kinds of people here in America. ☕

The Democratic Party is in power and from what I can see, they're helping refugees in line with European Union policy.

coppermarlin13 said:For a few days there, Ostojić was making quite a racket in our news outlets, claiming they wouldn't be sending any more aid to those neighbors than what they could actually handle.
We also heard all about how the President was bragging about having such close partnerships with them and the folks over in Austria.
The fact that their Prime Minister was acting a bit erratic and ended up trusting someone else instead is just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things.

A politician never praises anyone for no reason—if they did, the other side should be worried. Everyone is playing a game. At least our guys have figured out the Germans' and Austrians' playbook, so now they’re playing along too. The Germans and Austrians act all high and mighty about humanitarianism and claim they won't close their borders, but then an Austrian woman calls a Canadian woman and tells her they aren't taking anyone. She probably expected the Canadians to snap, shut everything down, and start getting aggressive. Then she could just deny she ever said it (which is exactly what happened, since she claims they never limited numbers).
The Canadians are still protecting Austrian interests at the expense of their own people.

Lisa Patel4 said:Exactly. See, you get it.

Russia would exploit the situation and try to stage a coup through the SVR, the Greek military, and the Greek Orthodox Church.

If my memory serves me—and I hope it does—Pizvo was writing quite recently about this supposed European unity when facing Russia, yet here we are, witnessing the full, unvarnished glory of what that "unity" actually looks like in practice. 🙄

Adam Barrett said:So who's deciding this, you? Our only shot is if they pick a hotspot way further out, but still...

They’ll probably try to bribe Turkey as much as they can. If that fails, maybe there won't even be a hot spot. Honestly, setting up a hot spot in any EU country feels like a massive risk.

It's already total chaos in Italy. I've already said my piece about Greece. Only an idiot would put one in Central Europe.

My suggestion? Just have the military take over Libya and set up the hot spot there under NATO protection. Libya barely functions as a state anyway. It sounds blunt, but I just care about American and European security.

Justin Patel8 said:Honestly, Russia isn't interested in Greece right now—if they were, they would have jumped on this opportunity ages ago. Even those Syrize folks actually went to Moscow to ask for help before that referendum, but they just got brushed off. As long as Greece doesn't decide to ditch NATO for the sake of the West (well, America), everything stays status quo.

I guess once Russia wraps up Syria, finishes their business in Ukraine, and heads toward the North America, they'll start pulling all those Orthodox nations in. Russia is basically reclaiming its old role as the protector of Orthodoxy, much like the old Russian Empire.

America will be first, then eventually Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania.

I'm telling you, the Russians are launching an offensive and playing by Western rules. That's probably why nothing is going to come of any hotspots in Greece.

I’m honestly just sitting here waiting to see how they react when they finally land in Germany and realize there's absolutely nothing waiting for them...

Joshua Kelly51 said:Over the last three years, the political parties popping up across the European Union clearly have zero love for foreigners, immigrants, refugees, or asylum seekers. Honestly, we should probably thank them. ☕

It seems pretty clear that if we want to point fingers at who's really responsible for this whole circus, we should look toward the leftists and liberals, who seem hell-bent on pushing for an unchecked influx of cultures into Europe that simply don't mesh with our own.🕺

Joshua Kelly51 said:Money isn't the issue here; the lack of consensus is. ☕

Given how things are looking across Europe right now, when you have this massive influx of people who aren't educated and don't even speak the language, money becomes a huge, huge problem.

The US is dealing with major financial strain because of migrants for those exact same reasons, too.

At the end of the day, I guess money is the decisive factor, the absolute key problem.

Twistdrum, you were asking where we’re making our move on that hotspot.
Look, our leadership isn't exactly going to broadcast their hand, obviously, but if my life experience has taught me anything, it's that when I don't want something becoming a thing, I just stay out of its way. I hole up in my own little corner and try to fly under the radar.

But with this administration? It's the exact opposite. They're all over the place, constantly peacocking—Pusićka is out there bragging about how we're doing great, playing host to diplomats like she's running some charity gala. Everyone's acting satisfied; even an Austrian guy would be stunned by the sheer amount of self-congratulation flying around. Honestly, the whole ego trip is getting old.