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Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

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Participants Charles Fox10Peter Reed70Jessica King9Morgan Ruiz3Daniel Johnson3Sophia Myers7quietowl2redridge35Eric Newman4hollowlynx66Amanda Moore8Maria James40mellowotter17Paul Thomas46Ronald Howard3nimbleharbor10Brenda Carter39Steven Perez6crimsonjackal63Alexander Ortiz3Anthony Cooper2slyviper94Adam BarrettJoshua Kelly51 …
Roger Morgan41 Roger Morgan41 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#301 ·
Joshua Kelly51 said:Over the last three years, the political parties popping up across the European Union clearly have zero love for foreigners, immigrants, refugees, or asylum seekers. Honestly, we should probably thank them. ☕

That just shows how poorly immigration policy was handled in those EU countries, which paved the way for these extreme parties to emerge. It looks like their settlement policies were far too liberal.☕
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
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joined Mar 2009
#302 ·
Department of Justice

October 2015: 10/21/2015 9:50 PM

Between midnight and 9:00 PM, 6,113 migrants entered the US. Currently, there are 3,500 people held at a temporary processing center in a facility near Indianapolis. We’re still bracing for heavy pressure from the migrant wave coming through the Republic of Mexico. Since this crisis began in America, 214,474 migrants have crossed the border.
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
195 messages
joined Oct 2014
#303 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

🙏

Euroutopisitam will probably never grasp the fact that people always put their own interests first.

Yeah, right. Why should a guy from Buffalo have to worry about some Pakistani? I don't see why.
Justin Patel8 Justin Patel8 Active Member
99 messages
joined Mar 2014
#304 ·
Chloe Martinez7 said:Where exactly are all these "numerous forum testimonies" everyone keeps talking about?

As far as the paperwork and the legalities go, it seems like everyone is just collectively deciding to ignore every single boundary in existence. I guess that's just how things work now.

Yeah, I guess that camp could probably fit all 2 million refugees currently stuck in Turkey.[/I]

Oh, please. It’s not just you.
There are probably two more waiting in the wings. ☕

Where on earth did you get the idea that Americans hate Canadians?

How can you possibly justify such a sweeping generalization?

The BBC is at it again with more high-stakes drama. Honestly, I guess it’s becoming a bit predictable at this point, but maybe that's just me. says:
I suspect nothing will be forced upon us against our will, but we won't even notice when it happens. It’ll be gradual, almost insidious. It starts with this material aid, then moves to humanitarian assistance, and before we know it, we’ll have become some sort of massive collection hub. We won't even realize what hit us.
I suppose this is a worst-case scenario; let's hope it doesn't come to this, but... I'm worried.

don't you worry
TK will have everything sorted by 11/09
along with KGK

really?
well, if the European Union has a way—which they haven't used on Greece—then maybe.
Either the European Union or Schengen.

Just scroll back to the first part of this thread from late August and take a look for yourself.

Yeah, that’s how these unserious countries like Greece and Mexico handle it—even Mexico actually tried to step in and stop them. But once they hit a country that actually holds its ground, like Canada, they got shut down immediately. It wouldn't make any sense for us to end up drowning in debt and broke just like Greece and Mexico, right?
Amanda Moore8 Amanda Moore8 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#305 ·
Corvus27 said:Once we've provided the absolutely essential assistance they need—which is a given—we really ought to just move forward with deportations. Honestly, if we don't, we’re looking at a series of civil wars in the very near future—it's practically inevitable. 🕺

Honestly, I just don't see anyone out there with the actual capability to pull that off—it’s just not happening. In my view, they shouldn't have been allowed into the country in the first place, regardless of how much dignity or reputation we might lose because of it.
Justin Patel8 Justin Patel8 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#306 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

If you claim Mexicans are like brothers to you, then why are they being sent specifically here instead of over to Romania?
Lisa Patel4 Lisa Patel4 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#307 ·
neonhound18 said:If my memory serves me—and I hope it does—Pizvo was writing quite recently about this supposed European unity when facing Russia, yet here we are, witnessing the full, unvarnished glory of what that "unity" actually looks like in practice. 🙄

🤣

Blaming the Marica River for not understanding geopolitics...

The grand dream of a European federation will probably end up being just Brussels and the empty fields surrounding it.
wanderingbadger77 wanderingbadger77 Active Member
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#308 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:They’ll probably try to bribe Turkey as much as they can. If that fails, maybe there won't even be a hot spot. Honestly, setting up a hot spot in any EU country feels like a massive risk.

It's already total chaos in Italy. I've already said my piece about Greece. Only an idiot would put one in Central Europe.

My suggestion? Just have the military take over Libya and set up the hot spot there under NATO protection. Libya barely functions as a state anyway. It sounds blunt, but I just care about American and European security.

Forget about Turkey. I'm reading their news right now and they aren't happy—not even a little bit. Their official statements on the matter are negative. They're basically mocking Europe.
Jessica King9 Jessica King9 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#309 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

Canada protected its own interests exactly how it saw fit, and honestly, most Americans there were right behind them. They couldn't bring themselves to care about everyone else when the European Union was basically treating them like a designated disaster zone anyway. They aren't stupid enough to just roll over and accept that...
We protect our interests through other means—ways that I personally find much more acceptable...
As for our own interests—we should really just mind our own business...
Anthony Garcia19 Anthony Garcia19 Active Member
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joined Aug 2012
#310 ·
Joshua Kelly51 said:It raises the question: were international relations actually stable enough before the White House crisis hit? ☕ It’s a logical conclusion: of course they aren't. ☕

But they also weren't unstable enough to trigger a massive shift in how the EU operates—whether we're talking about pulling closer together or falling apart completely.
Joshua Kelly51 Joshua Kelly51 Member
27 messages
joined Oct 2015
#311 ·
Rachel Reyes93 said:Given how things are looking across Europe right now, when you have this massive influx of people who aren't educated and don't even speak the language, money becomes a huge, huge problem.

The US is dealing with major financial strain because of migrants for those exact same reasons, too.

At the end of the day, I guess money is the decisive factor, the absolute key problem.

Let’s be real: money isn't the issue here. We spend billions on wars and all sorts of other non-essentials anyway, right? ☕
Anthony Cook40 Anthony Cook40 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2015
#312 ·
Joshua Kelly51 said:And who exactly told you the European Union is out of cash? ☕

I can see it for myself. None of the big players—think Germany, France, or the UK—are actually in a great spot economically right now, and things in Southern Europe are honestly looking pretty dire.
I mean, countries like Greece, Spain, and Italy are already struggling just to keep their healthcare and social security systems afloat under all the pressure from their own citizens. Now, on top of all that, they're expected to fund housing, medical care, food, language classes, and full-scale integration for newcomers... and let's be real, trying to integrate these men into society is an even bigger hurdle.
Rachel Reyes93 Rachel Reyes93 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#313 ·
wanderingbadger77 said:Forget about Turkey. I'm reading their news right now and they aren't happy—not even a little bit. Their official statements on the matter are negative. They're basically mocking Europe.

I mean, they kind of brought this on themselves. Maybe the EU is just destined to become a Muslim entity at this rate.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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joined Sep 2015
#314 ·
Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#315 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:🤣

Blaming the Marica River for not understanding geopolitics...

The grand dream of a European federation will probably end up being just Brussels and the empty fields surrounding it.

He’s becoming increasingly tedious and quite frankly irritating with these endless "forecasts" of his. 🙄
Adam Barrett Adam Barrett Member
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joined Jul 2018
#316 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:They’ll probably try to bribe Turkey as much as they can. If that fails, maybe there won't even be a hot spot. Honestly, setting up a hot spot in any EU country feels like a massive risk.

It's already total chaos in Italy. I've already said my piece about Greece. Only an idiot would put one in Central Europe.

My suggestion? Just have the military take over Libya and set up the hot spot there under NATO protection. Libya barely functions as a state anyway. It sounds blunt, but I just care about American and European security.

Turkey was my first thought too, since they want him as far away as possible. Plus, they're in NATO and partially part of Europe, so they're politically and culturally similar enough. But if they can't push it off them, they won't just cancel it—they'll try to dump it on us at the Schengen border because we're too submissive. That's my gut feeling.
Adam Barrett Adam Barrett Member
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joined Jul 2018
#317 ·
Lisa Patel4 said:What are you talking about regarding North Mexico? That country is on the brink of civil war, plus they aren't even in the EU or NATO.

The West, if they have any sense at all, won't create a flashpoint in Greece. If they do, just wait and see what happens next.

So who's deciding this, you? Our only shot is if they pick a hotspot way further out, but still...
Joshua Kelly51 Joshua Kelly51 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#318 ·
Amanda Moore8 said:And then there are those who thought they could play the leftist card—well, after seeing how the current administration has handled things, especially with this migration crisis, many have had to rethink their positions. At least, most of the ones I know, anyway. The real champions of this unchecked border situation are our mainstream media outlets—we all know who pulls their strings, not to mention the government censorship—along with the various NGOs (it shouldn't be a secret who's footing their bills) and a few naive souls who genuinely believe they're doing good by helping people in need. If there's any small consolation in all of this, it's the thought that one day, when migrants and their descendants eventually reshape our American traditions and Western civilization, those very same organizations and media pundits will likely be the first ones to face the consequences.

And how exactly is that supposed to happen? Please, walk me through the mechanics of that phenomenon. I'm genuinely curious. ☕
Kenneth Palmer7 Kenneth Palmer7 Member
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joined Oct 2015
#319 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

Merkel really dropped the ball here.

She basically rolled out the red carpet for migrants to head toward Germany—well, as much as she could—and then a few thousand ended up settling there. It never even crossed her mind to organize an airlift to get refugees directly from those camps in Turkey.

Canada built a fence, and so did Bulgaria, Spain, and the UK (over in Calais).

The rest of them talk a big game about being humanitarian, yet they don't actually want to take anyone in—they just want to kick the problem down the road.
Brenda Taylor13 Brenda Taylor13 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#320 ·
Joshua Kelly51 said:And how exactly is that supposed to happen? Please, walk me through the mechanics of that phenomenon. I'm genuinely curious. ☕

Look, lady, I haven't seen this level of pure, unadulterated naivety on this forum in ages—seriously, believe me. What you're typing here sounds like some kid's bedtime story about how everyone is inherently good and the world is this beautiful wonderland where everybody wants the best for one another and we're all just best friends. It's nonsense. There is a massive difference between us and people coming from those Middle Eastern cultures where women are treated like animals—people who weren't raised with our ways and think that HE (get this, HE!) is entitled to have the government just hand him social security, an apartment, and free food just because he chose to be here. There's a huge gap between that and hardworking Americans who are the ones—exclusively, mind you—who actually built this country with their own two hands, only to have people moved in who have absolutely zero connection to our culture, our traditions, or our basic civilized values.

I honestly don't even know if you grasp what you're saying, but I'm starting to get worried you don't...

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