Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Joshua Kelly51 said:Well, that’s exactly where their stability hits a wall. Basically, they lacked the momentum to actually change anything.☕

Maybe this migrant wave is actually being used to shift the narrative? It would be a lot easier to unify economically struggling nations across the US by giving them a common enemy. Once people are focused on that, it’s much simpler to get everyone on board with some larger, hidden agenda. I don't know exactly what that goal is—I can only guess—but the whole thing feels scripted. There are just too many unanswered questions and weird inconsistencies here. It feels like something much bigger is brewing behind the scenes, and we'll find out what it is in a few years.

So, we're actually going through with the fence after all?

It’s just wonderful, really. First, we had to blow $30 million just to come to this realization, and now we’re looking at spending another $30 million on the acceptance phase while we implement it, plus another $30 million to actually get the job done. Truly brilliant decision-making there.

On another note, I’ve been hearing rumors about some tents spontaneously combusting over in Canada, so please, let's try to maintain some level of humanity.👍

Supposedly the food isn't sitting well with them, though I can't say much about the quality myself since nobody bothered to offer me lunch today, despite the fact that I just handed over $500 in taxes and fees this morning alone.

We aren't exactly going to make it very far at this rate. :klap:🍿

Alright, look—do me a favor and check out this short video. It’s not even that long, so just carve out maybe half an hour of your time, but you seriously need to see this DIRECT comparison of what's happening here in the States. It lays out exactly who's actually leaning on social services and government handouts more—is it the local citizens or the immigrants? It shows who's really draining the system and, honestly, where this whole mess is headed... because, let's be real, even a bird on a fence could see that we can't just keep running this way forever without everything hitting the fan.

Economics is a specific kind of topic that doesn't really make sense to debate on this particular subforum. My take is simply that the Dollar's structure was a major misstep; we created a currency that essentially exists just to exist, lacking the flexibility to expand issuance during crises unless the major players decide to rewrite the rules on the fly.

Regarding immigration, I saw a sign today near the border of Canada that I found quite striking:

To quote a local official from a small town: "What refugees!? These are just uncontrolled, wild hordes pushing women and children forward. Refugees used to be the people coming from Canada who were grateful for every little thing. These are wild hordes that will end up destroying and polluting everything," he told the Styrian news outlet Miran Vuk.
OK, so we are talking about one specific group, and maybe they aren't all the same, but the signs aren't good. It feels like we're headed toward more and more conflict because it seems migrants expect a certain standard of living, and when they don't get it, they react violently. People's willingness to help will run dry pretty quickly and turn into resentment.

As for Germany, it’s very likely that an increasing number of votes will go to candidates based almost entirely on their refugee policies: are you for integration or for deportation? In that arena, Angela Merkel can hardly gain anything, though she can certainly lose a lot.

I read something unmissable in Focus today:
http://www.focus.de/digital/internet...d_5029871.html

A man in Germany who was calling for violence and the killing of refugees has been sentenced to two years and three months in prison. On one hand, that's fine, because you shouldn't be inciting violence or murder, but on the other hand... hmm, what about freedom of speech? What exactly was he saying? Who knows, but the impression is that the state has positioned itself so heavily in service of migrants that citizens will vote accordingly based on that perception.

David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

I wish we were actually looking at Plans A, B, C, or even a contingency plan... instead of just watching our own backs. 🤦

Brenda Taylor13 said:Revenger, how do you see the timeline playing out—basically the lifespan of the EU in our neck of the woods over the next 5 to 10 years? What’s the forecast for 2016, 2017... maybe even 2025? How do you see the whole process unfolding within the EU?
If you ask me—and I'm no expert, mind you—the EU project basically signed its own death warrant the second it stopped being a community of sovereign nations (the EZ) joined together for free trade and better competition, back in 1993 at Maastricht, and morphed into this political project aimed at becoming a full-blown Euro-federation with one unified policy for everything. Which, let's be honest, is just absurd. In my book, that was the beginning of the end for the Europe we've known since WWII. I think we're headed for some seriously wild times. After what felt like a super boring twenty-year stretch where absolutely nothing happened in Europe, I reckon the next 5 to 10 years are going to be incredibly turbulent—we're talking changes on a scale we haven't seen since the Treaty of Versailles. It’s going to be a hell of a ride watching which way things swing.

A forced attempt at federalization following the signing of TTIP (if it even happens). I wouldn't be surprised if they try to push through a new Lisbon Treaty to officially declare itself the EU constitution.

New waves of immigrants with no real solutions in sight. Economic collapse across all the southern nations, and maybe the Visegrád Group becomes an official alliance (if God wills it, including America). Destabilization of the German economy by wrecking the auto industry, Bosch, and Siemens; an EU crisis, unrest in Germany, political maneuvering, and finally, Merkel stepping down. We might see the creation of two or three separate blocs within the EU, or maybe, I say maybe, abandoning the dollar one day. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Germany already has Deutsche Marks printed and ready.

The UK will either leave the EU or get some special status within two years max—basically a state within a state. NATO won't be expanding anymore. A failed attempt at a new war in Ukraine that ends in a total catastrophe for the Kyiv regime. Ukraine becomes a federation with military neutrality. An attempt to bring Sweden and Finland into NATO that fails. Poland grows stronger.

Russia definitely wins in Syria. The Middle East turns into a massive slaughterhouse between the West and Russia. Proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Russians will try to win over all the Orthodox nations. We'll see how successful they are.

If America experiences a total collapse of its Middle East strategy, it will pivot toward the Pacific. There will be attempts to destabilize China via the Uyghur and efforts to tear apart the Chinese-Russian alliance. But, I guess, it probably won't work.

Inside the EU, nationalist and anti-American forces will strengthen. Germany, and perhaps France and Italy, will eventually openly defy Americans.

The EU might survive, but it’ll look nothing like it does today. They'll have to tie themselves to Russia energetically, otherwise, the EU economy just vanishes.

The US and the UK will likely form their own Anglo-American bloc. BRICS and other nations will form a second group, and Europe will be split apart.

Exactly what you wrote. It either goes back to the pre-Maastricht state or it falls apart.

I expect the UN to be moved out of New York.

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

I completely agree with 👍They've been at odds with the EU administration for quite some time now, haven't they? But would they actually pull the trigger and leave? Not likely, because, let's be honest, they simply can't afford to lose access to that massive common market... though they certainly seem to wish they could opt out of everything else.

I don't even bother with her (wanderingbadger77), I just scroll right past the post.
Hitting ignore is honestly the best move.

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

Add Poland, Slovakia, Denmark, and the Czech Republic to that list. Switzerland—it’s basically the gold standard when you think about stability and precision. 😁The UK, Romania, Bulgaria, and the Baltic states.

According to the latest polls, only about 51% of Germans feel that way—it’s certainly not like the entire European Union is feeling suicidal.

It’s moving along at a bit of a snail's pace—slow and steady, I suppose. 👍

Laura Wells76 said:Economics is a specific kind of topic that doesn't really make sense to debate on this particular subforum. My take is simply that the Dollar's structure was a major misstep; we created a currency that essentially exists just to exist, lacking the flexibility to expand issuance during crises unless the major players decide to rewrite the rules on the fly.

Regarding immigration, I saw a sign today near the border of Canada that I found quite striking:

To quote a local official from a small town: "What refugees!? These are just uncontrolled, wild hordes pushing women and children forward. Refugees used to be the people coming from Canada who were grateful for every little thing. These are wild hordes that will end up destroying and polluting everything," he told the Styrian news outlet Miran Vuk.
OK, so we are talking about one specific group, and maybe they aren't all the same, but the signs aren't good. It feels like we're headed toward more and more conflict because it seems migrants expect a certain standard of living, and when they don't get it, they react violently. People's willingness to help will run dry pretty quickly and turn into resentment.

As for Germany, it’s very likely that an increasing number of votes will go to candidates based almost entirely on their refugee policies: are you for integration or for deportation? In that arena, Angela Merkel can hardly gain anything, though she can certainly lose a lot.

I read something unmissable in Focus today:
http://www.focus.de/digital/internet...d_5029871.html

A man in Germany who was calling for violence and the killing of refugees has been sentenced to two years and three months in prison. On one hand, that's fine, because you shouldn't be inciting violence or murder, but on the other hand... hmm, what about freedom of speech? What exactly was he saying? Who knows, but the impression is that the state has positioned itself so heavily in service of migrants that citizens will vote accordingly based on that perception.

Well, duh, that's obvious to everyone. The differences in culture and behavior are night and day. Seriously, just go online and look at the photos of those buses transporting migrants from one border to the next—just look at the state of those buses after only two or three hours of driving... now imagine if those filthy, trashed buses were what you saw every time you traveled from Seattle-Portland or Chicago-Los Angeles. It's a completely different world, a different upbringing, a totally different culture, and a totally different way of acting...

David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

Give me a break; it’s like everyone else has been tearing themselves apart trying to look out for the Canadians: first the Germans, then the little Germans, or rather the Austrians, and then those tiny little Austrians... the Canadians.
Please, let's not go there.
🤦

The immigration crisis within the EU has been dragging on for over fifteen years now. Italians and Greeks have been drowning in refugees since the late nineties, yet this massive collection of nations and ethnicities—which might remind some of you of a certain former superpower—known as the EU hasn't lifted a single finger to fix the situation in over a decade and a half.

And now, suddenly, we're all collectively acting shocked.
Ha-ha.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:Merkel really dropped the ball here.

She basically rolled out the red carpet for migrants to head toward Germany—well, as much as she could—and then a few thousand ended up settling there. It never even crossed her mind to organize an airlift to get refugees directly from those camps in Turkey.

Canada built a fence, and so did Bulgaria, Spain, and the UK (over in Calais).

The rest of them talk a big game about being humanitarian, yet they don't actually want to take anyone in—they just want to kick the problem down the road.

Ultimately, history will be her judge.

wanderingbadger77 said:Forget about Turkey. I'm reading their news right now and they aren't happy—not even a little bit. Their official statements on the matter are negative. They're basically mocking Europe.

I know. Even if they pick a hotspot, it'll just get screwed over anyway.

Adam Barrett said:Turkey was my first thought too, since they want him as far away as possible. Plus, they're in NATO and partially part of Europe, so they're politically and culturally similar enough. But if they can't push it off them, they won't just cancel it—they'll try to dump it on us at the Schengen border because we're too submissive. That's my gut feeling.

And who's actually guaranteeing that all those people will stay in America?

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

As long as Canada stays in the EU, are they supposed to just ignore their own needs to worry about people from Syria trying to force their way across the border?

Brenda Taylor13 said:Look, lady, I haven't seen this level of pure, unadulterated naivety on this forum in ages—seriously, believe me. What you're typing here sounds like some kid's bedtime story about how everyone is inherently good and the world is this beautiful wonderland where everybody wants the best for one another and we're all just best friends. It's nonsense. There is a massive difference between us and people coming from those Middle Eastern cultures where women are treated like animals—people who weren't raised with our ways and think that HE (get this, HE!) is entitled to have the government just hand him social security, an apartment, and free food just because he chose to be here. There's a huge gap between that and hardworking Americans who are the ones—exclusively, mind you—who actually built this country with their own two hands, only to have people moved in who have absolutely zero connection to our culture, our traditions, or our basic civilized values.

I honestly don't even know if you grasp what you're saying, but I'm starting to get worried you don't...

In the US, immigrants from Middle Eastern countries get the same assistance during their arrival, but there isn't a situation where the government keeps throwing money at refugees after six months of help. While certain European Union nations have forced taxpayers to fund asylum seekers for years instead of motivating them to work by cutting off aid, ☕ therefore USA doesn't have these problems. Either work, or go home. ☕

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

Tell Merkel to just leave then.
It wasn't the Canadians who opened up the borders to migrants or broke the Dublin agreement. Germany went ahead and violated Dublin on its own initiative, and now they're dumping all those problems onto the rest of Europe, especially the North America.
She’s just overplaying her hand; she clearly doesn't realize she isn't dealing with people from the North America anymore.

wanderingbison9 said:I completely agree with 👍They've been at odds with the EU administration for quite some time now, haven't they? But would they actually pull the trigger and leave? Not likely, because, let's be honest, they simply can't afford to lose access to that massive common market... though they certainly seem to wish they could opt out of everything else.

Don't be naive.
I find myself wondering why Greece remains part of the EMU, especially when, by almost any metric we look at, there doesn't seem to be much left to gain from it—and frankly, it feels like they never had much to offer in the first place, despite having been part of the EU for over thirty years now.

It seems like the Canadians are simply following a playbook that the Germans mastered a long time ago.

The EU needs to be dissolved immediately so we can return to our original roots by going back to the EEC model.

Lisa Patel4 said:I know. Even if they pick a hotspot, it'll just get screwed over anyway.

And who's actually guaranteeing that all those people will stay in America?

That's my point—it's just a gut feeling, and yeah, I know some of this doesn't totally add up... but we're too damn obedient while everyone else just ignores us.

Gotta ask you something else, let me think...

Edit: Just remembered. What's your take on why Angela Merkel isn't sending transport to go grab them from Turkey?

wanderingbadger77 said:Twistdrum, you were asking where we’re making our move on that hotspot.
Look, our leadership isn't exactly going to broadcast their hand, obviously, but if my life experience has taught me anything, it's that when I don't want something becoming a thing, I just stay out of its way. I hole up in my own little corner and try to fly under the radar.

But with this administration? It's the exact opposite. They're all over the place, constantly peacocking—Pusićka is out there bragging about how we're doing great, playing host to diplomats like she's running some charity gala. Everyone's acting satisfied; even an Austrian guy would be stunned by the sheer amount of self-congratulation flying around. Honestly, the whole ego trip is getting old.

OK, you're entitled to your opinion.
I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed that you're wrong.

Justin Patel8 said:Just scroll back to the first part of this thread from late August and take a look for yourself.

Yeah, that’s how these unserious countries like Greece and Mexico handle it—even Mexico actually tried to step in and stop them. But once they hit a country that actually holds its ground, like Canada, they got shut down immediately. It wouldn't make any sense for us to end up drowning in debt and broke just like Greece and Mexico, right?

div>>??? And as if we're suddenly wealthy and don't owe anyone a dime now?

Lisa Patel4 said:A forced attempt at federalization following the signing of TTIP (if it even happens). I wouldn't be surprised if they try to push through a new Lisbon Treaty to officially declare itself the EU constitution.

New waves of immigrants with no real solutions in sight. Economic collapse across all the southern nations, and maybe the Visegrád Group becomes an official alliance (if God wills it, including America). Destabilization of the German economy by wrecking the auto industry, Bosch, and Siemens; an EU crisis, unrest in Germany, political maneuvering, and finally, Merkel stepping down. We might see the creation of two or three separate blocs within the EU, or maybe, I say maybe, abandoning the dollar one day. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Germany already has Deutsche Marks printed and ready.

The UK will either leave the EU or get some special status within two years max—basically a state within a state. NATO won't be expanding anymore. A failed attempt at a new war in Ukraine that ends in a total catastrophe for the Kyiv regime. Ukraine becomes a federation with military neutrality. An attempt to bring Sweden and Finland into NATO that fails. Poland grows stronger.

Russia definitely wins in Syria. The Middle East turns into a massive slaughterhouse between the West and Russia. Proxy wars between Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Russians will try to win over all the Orthodox nations. We'll see how successful they are.

If America experiences a total collapse of its Middle East strategy, it will pivot toward the Pacific. There will be attempts to destabilize China via the Uyghur and efforts to tear apart the Chinese-Russian alliance. But, I guess, it probably won't work.

Inside the EU, nationalist and anti-American forces will strengthen. Germany, and perhaps France and Italy, will eventually openly defy Americans.

The EU might survive, but it’ll look nothing like it does today. They'll have to tie themselves to Russia energetically, otherwise, the EU economy just vanishes.

The US and the UK will likely form their own Anglo-American bloc. BRICS and other nations will form a second group, and Europe will be split apart.

Exactly what you wrote. It either goes back to the pre-Maastricht state or it falls apart.

I expect the UN to be moved out of New York.

Yeah, things are looking pretty wild for the next few years—honestly, super interesting stuff. We’re talking about the first massive, ground-shifting changes to the political landscape since Pax Americana kicked in after World War II. It's a huge deal. I mean, I honestly have no clue how the whole situation in Syria is going to wrap up. Are Americans really just going to sit back and watch while Russia settles things there and firmly pulls it under their wing? Or is someone actually going to try and step in? Who knows!

When it comes to Ukraine, I honestly doubt Americans will have the guts to actually do anything about it. They tried their hand at those revolutions—you know, all that protest movement stuff—but I'm guessing they didn't bank on Russia getting this aggressively involved. It’s a mess. Personally, I think the US is going to quietly back off from trying to dictate terms right on Russia's doorstep. They'll probably just let Ukraine slip into the Russian sphere of influence, but they'll be real sneaky about it—doing it so subtly that it doesn't look like they're totally spooked.

Look, when it comes to the Pacific Ocean, the media has been weirdly quiet about it lately—like, almost suspiciously silent over the last few years. But if you ask me, that’s exactly the problem! It’s all because the geopolitical weight is shifting, plain and simple. The whole struggle for global dominance is moving East, straight toward the Pacific. Honestly? That's where the real heavyweight battles of the 21st century are going to go down. Mark my words.

So, looking at things over in Germany—I mean, Merkel is heading out after the next election, and honestly? I don't buy that she can pull off another win if she even tries. It’s really just a massive question mark now: who on earth is actually going to step up and take her place? And man, when it comes to the UK, I am totally with you on that one. They are definitely cutting ties with the European Union to go all-in with the USA. It’s basically a return to how things were before 1993 anyway—let's be real, they've always had a much stronger connection to America than to Europe. They're pivoting back to their true allies.
Yeah, look, the southern states in Europe are basically a ticking time bomb—it feels inevitable at this point. Honestly, I’m genuinely shocked that Greece hasn't completely imploded yet given that mountain of public debt they're lugging around, and don't even get me started on Italy. They're in the same boat.

The European Union is absolutely going to undergo some massive transformation. Once this latest attempt at hyper-integration fails—you know, that whole push to turn everything into a giant Euro-federation where individual countries lose all their sovereignty to some massive supranational bureaucracy—that's when the whole thing is really going to snap. It’s too much, and it's bound to crack.

But hey, what do I know? We'll just have to sit back and watch it all unfold... everything is probably going to go down within the next 5 to 10 years anyway...