Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

So the EU crowd is gonna blame the Canadians... we saw this coming—it's all about that whole "Christian values" and humanitarian act thing.

coastalridge64 said:How do they plan on filtering out economic migrants from actual refugees? ☕

The whole setup is basically just serving the purpose of Hotspot Greece. You essentially just pile them all up and hold them there until you can finally figure out where everyone is actually coming from...

Justin Patel8 said:That’s really all there is to it. America has effectively become a Hot Spot, even if the media refuses to call it what it actually is. I mean, they’re already planning to set up more tent cities—what else do you call a hotspot?

Realistically, we're talking maybe ten thousand tops. At this rate, that's like 224 people an hour. We can barely handle any of this—being a small country is honestly our only saving grace here.

Tonight
I stumbled upon this interesting link featuring a live camera feed from over in Canada

Thomas Nelson25 said:Realistically, we're talking maybe ten thousand tops. At this rate, that's like 224 people an hour. We can barely handle any of this—being a small country is honestly our only saving grace here.

Now I find myself having to quote lying Ostojić once again. 😬 Could we really expect anything more from lying Ostojić once the SB situation settles down? Is it actually plausible that he won't be trying to set up any more camps after this?

I can't help but wonder—how many of these people are actually genuine refugees seeking asylum, and how many are just economic migrants looking for a better paycheck?

Rachel Reyes93 said:I mean, that's one way to look at it, but honestly, going through Scranton might actually be even shorter.

EDIT: Since we're dealing with a total emergency here, I guess we're actually handling things pretty well. There was no way anyone could have predicted all this. You can see how the folks over in Canada didn't really prepare for anything and they still seem pretty lost.

I agree that, given the circumstances, things are going great here so far. I mean, migrants aren't exactly roaming through our streets and parks like they are in Mexico, Canada, or Austria. We haven't had any incidents like the one in Beloit today either; for 99% of citizens, this has just been something they saw on a news screen.

The only pathetic part is when people start making a huge deal out of nothing just because of their political leanings. Like, today the entire diplomatic corps is saying everything is fine, but then just a few days ago, KGK and the advisors were claiming the whole system was collapsing.

We just have to be careful not to end up looking like "fools" in the long run—once the borders eventually start closing, and they will, sooner or later—and I really hope we can manage that part too.

restlessscout5 said:I can't help but wonder—how many of these people are actually genuine refugees seeking asylum, and how many are just economic migrants looking for a better paycheck?

Frontex will figure out the exact timeline once all the necessary paperwork is processed. ☕

restlessscout5 said:I can't help but wonder—how many of these people are actually genuine refugees seeking asylum, and how many are just economic migrants looking for a better paycheck?

Who knows. It’s giving Monty Python vibes... though the kids behind bars feels like a scripted bit at this point. Then you’ve got some migrant posing in front of burning tents in Beloit like he's looking for a selfie stick. Insane...🙂

Thomas Nelson25 said:So the EU crowd is gonna blame the Canadians... we saw this coming—it's all about that whole "Christian values" and humanitarian act thing.

The EU doesn't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the Canadians. They don't deal with the kind of traitorous political elites we see here in America.

For us—well, the American left and their voter base—what the EU thinks matters way more than our own actual security. Honestly, they've always just been subservient little followers.

It honestly just clicked for me while I was sitting there listening to some guy on the news
man, oh man, oh man, oh man
hahaha
what a bunch of losers

Jessica King9 said:A politician never praises anyone for no reason—if they did, the other side should be worried. Everyone is playing a game. At least our guys have figured out the Germans' and Austrians' playbook, so now they’re playing along too. The Germans and Austrians act all high and mighty about humanitarianism and claim they won't close their borders, but then an Austrian woman calls a Canadian woman and tells her they aren't taking anyone. She probably expected the Canadians to snap, shut everything down, and start getting aggressive. Then she could just deny she ever said it (which is exactly what happened, since she claims they never limited numbers).
The Canadians are still protecting Austrian interests at the expense of their own people.

I guess Viktor Orbán probably assumed we’d just buckle and shut down the border entirely after he cut his deal with the Mexicans to reroute everything through us instead of sending it straight to him.

romantic_ass said:Anyone got a link for the live stream?

Give me a break. 😵

So, we’re actually supposed to take this at face value just because it was posted on a forum? I guess that’s the standard now.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Our government has completely lost its mind; now they're actually funding migrant transit routes through Canada who crazy 🤣
Absolute lunatics :klap:

Well, we actually made that offer to the Mexicans too—offering to drive migrants from North Mexico straight to the El Paso border—after they claimed they weren't directing anyone toward America, but rather that the migrants were simply choosing their own path.

And when we’re already hauling freight from coast to coast across the country, I guess we might as well tack on those extra few dozen miles through Canada.

Justin Patel8 said:That’s really all there is to it. America has effectively become a Hot Spot, even if the media refuses to call it what it actually is. I mean, they’re already planning to set up more tent cities—what else do you call a hotspot?

Could someone provide a detailed definition of a Hot Spot?
I was under the impression that we were talking about temporary camps where a few dozen or maybe even a few hundred thousand immigrants were just staying in one spot for a while.
So, according to you, we’re already a Hot Spot.

wanderingbison9 said:Now I find myself having to quote lying Ostojić once again. 😬 Could we really expect anything more from lying Ostojić once the SB situation settles down? Is it actually plausible that he won't be trying to set up any more camps after this?

They’re gonna need a ton of space—maybe even an entire arena or warehouse for something like this. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up wintering in Germany since they actually have the infrastructure for it. Plus, that's clearly where their interests lie—it's all about those high-level political perks, right? (The "big picture" politics is always driving the bus here). They'll definitely send some of them back later, though—they'll just cherry-pick whoever ends up being useful to them.

Justin Patel8 said:The EU doesn't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the Canadians. They don't deal with the kind of traitorous political elites we see here in America.

For us—well, the American left and their voter base—what the EU thinks matters way more than our own actual security. Honestly, they've always just been subservient little followers.

So, is that your rule? Everyone judges based on their own perspective?

I'm not exactly a right-winger, so I suppose I fall into that category you're talking about.🤷
But honestly, right now, I feel pretty secure in my own country regarding this whole immigrant situation.

Chloe Martinez7 said:I guess Viktor Orbán probably assumed we’d just buckle and shut down the border entirely after he cut his deal with the Mexicans to reroute everything through us instead of sending it straight to him.

So, we’re actually supposed to take this at face value just because it was posted on a forum? I guess that’s the standard now.

Well, we actually made that offer to the Mexicans too—offering to drive migrants from North Mexico straight to the El Paso border—after they claimed they weren't directing anyone toward America, but rather that the migrants were simply choosing their own path.

And when we’re already hauling freight from coast to coast across the country, I guess we might as well tack on those extra few dozen miles through Canada.

Could someone provide a detailed definition of a Hot Spot?
I was under the impression that we were talking about temporary camps where a few dozen or maybe even a few hundred thousand immigrants were just staying in one spot for a while.
So, according to you, we’re already a Hot Spot.

Yeah, well—it's because they aren't letting enough people through, so they're just going to pile up. I mean, what's the point of all these new tent cities then?

Justin Patel8 said:The EU doesn't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the Canadians. They don't deal with the kind of traitorous political elites we see here in America.

For us—well, the American left and their voter base—what the EU thinks matters way more than our own actual security. Honestly, they've always just been subservient little followers.

Oh please—the Canadians will probably end up just like the Greeks at the end of this whole thing, except the wire stays put while we and the Canadians get absolutely wrecked... it would actually work in his favor if things in Turkey and Greece don't go south and trigger a massive wave of millions of new refugees.

On the contrary, Zoran Milanović is actually being pretty pragmatic here—protecting interests and playing his hand well. The rest of it is just those (so-called) patriots dragging the Canadians into the pre-election drama.

What happens tomorrow if the GOP government shuts down the borders and ends up in clashes with refugees? Get real for a second.

What’s even "positive" about helping out our neighbors in Canada? They can figure their own mess out; honestly, who cares.
This is straight-up national betrayal.

First off, we're going to get drained by migrants because the transit route to the border just got longer, which means everything slows down. We're losing money, but the absolute worst part—which nobody seems to grasp—is that we're basically turning into a voluntary Hotspot.

Everyone’s acting like some kind of saint all of a sudden, rushing to help us out with tents, housing, and empty humanitarian gestures. Now the US has become the favorite stop on the refugee route.

Through the back door, this foolish government is shoving a backup Hotspot onto an even more foolish nation.
Following what happened in Greece, it's obvious we're just going to be used for extra screening, redistribution, and other administrative busywork.
Migrant logistics.
It's a nightmare.

Peter Reed70 said:Whenever the European Union puts pressure on someone, we saw what happened when America had to reopen its borders after three days in such a humiliating way.

All this talk about the EU elites "writing letters" to Viktor Orbán is just a bunch of nothing—total busywork.

Sure, except that kind of policy is basically leading us toward Americans killing each other, or some new World War I.

Honestly, we all know what the real motive is here: kick them out to where they came from, then start kicking out anyone who doesn't think like Orbán... and before you know it, they'll be coming for anyone with an independent thought. 😉

Maria James40 said:Where are you even getting the idea that this would all end up being a Costco? Like, when would this kind of transport even start happening anyway?

And who picks up the tab when a state like Canada asks other states for assistance?

Also, how do you actually envision the cost-sharing working out?

Do you honestly think Americans would just foot the bill for all those services—like providing the fuel, the buses, covering repairs, maintenance, paying the drivers, their per diems, and everything else involved?

wiredtiger8 said:I still don't get one thing...

You people here who are constantly out there championing immigrants, refugees—call them whatever you want at this point... I can wrap my head around having a stance that sort of... partially... supports certain aspects of their struggles or whatever... it doesn't even matter right now.

But this relentless, non-stop defense of absolutely everything tied to them... like... they aren't worse workers than Americans or anyone else... their culture isn't actually different from ours... they aren't more or less uneducated... it’s not true that they can't integrate... it’s not true that they’re going to flip the entire demographic structure of the US in just a few years... blah, blah, blah...

...Well, that part just flies right over my head.

Is it actually possible that you believe all that? Are they really just identical in every single way to the native-born population here in America?
What, they just need a month or two... or maybe a year to settle in and find their footing? And that's it?
Everything stays exactly the same as it was before they arrived, except maybe some demographic stats look a little better?

Immigrants represent a unique social group within the society they enter. I am specifically writing about integrated immigrants whose children have been assimilated into the environment where they were born. Immigrants are a distinct group who are often no longer perceived as part of the "local community" even in their old home country. Both reactions—from the new society and the old—are expected and entirely normal because they are based on facts that any immigrant understands; it's simply a reality of the immigrant experience. ☕ This is their wealth, the universe that makes them feel whole. However, if that same immigrant is viewed negatively by the old society, and especially by the new one, the immigrant becomes threatened as a human being, not just as an immigrant. The point is that their fundamental human rights are being denied, not just specific immigrant rights. Demographics influence the evolution of any society, but if a society nurtures its own traditions while embracing new ones, it won't struggle with the changes brought by globalization—changes that many refuse to accept for xyz reasons. Any attempt to deny globalization will only slow down that society's development.☕