Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Raymond Clark7 said:So I’m watching CNN right now and they've got this segment on where these immigrants are claiming they were beaten by police over in America, even going as far as saying officers were stomping on pregnant women. Can you actually believe this stuff? ( ????? )

The whole report is coming from the border between Canada and Austria, with all these reporters out in the field. They even showed footage of how they set fire to a tent city over in Canada, burning kids alive just to make a point about how pissed off they are.

If this kind of news gets picked up, people might start bypassing us just like they do with Bulgaria. 😁
I'm honestly just worried it might ruin Madeleine Albright's candidacy for the UN. 😛

David Vaughn75 said:Look, if those Canadians are part of the EU, they should be looking out for the interests of America—which is also a member.

Honestly, this just proves the whole EU thing is a total disaster—it’s basically just a bunch of people waiting for a chance to trip someone else up and screw them over.

Let me agree with you for once.
If only we could get a government that actually knows how to look out for our own interests—doing it in that polite, "European" way, where we support everything on paper while actually just doing what's best for ourselves. Just like the Canadians. 😁

restlessangler61 said:First and foremost, this should have been handled by Germany, given their obsession with acting like the leader of the European Union and supposedly protecting its collective interests.
Instead, they were the first ones to trample over European Union regulations and create a mess for the entire union. Why? Just so some frantic German politician can play the humanitarian? I don't see any genuine concern being shown for any of the states caught in this mess. On the contrary, they're actually threatening and blackmailing anyone who refuses to pay the price for THEIR insanity.

When the European Commission voted on those migrant quotas for all member states, everyone jumped on board except for the Visegrád Group.

And honestly, the fact that nobody gives a damn about America is old news at this point.
Actually, it feels like the European Union is actively working against our interests. First, they sided with Canada during that arbitration mess where they basically tried to swindle us out of our territory, and now they're backing people like Vučić. Even that criminal Hernadi—who basically hijacked our strategic energy company through shady dealings—is just strolling around Austria like he didn't do anything wrong.

But hey, as long as we managed to get out of the North America, right? That's what matters. 🙄

Justin Patel8 said:Why didn't America just ban immigrant entry from the start?

I assume your folks in DC managed to explain that to you—why your fellow Mexicans are intentionally destabilizing the US by smuggling them across the border illegally.

Seriously, when are you going to realize I'm just ignoring you?

Charles Ross3 said:I honestly have no idea what you’re even talking about here.

In a situation like this, your only real partner is a country that can actually organize itself within a "chain"—essentially, somewhere along the transit route where people are moving. And isn't it safe to assume that everyone from Turkey and Greece, through the North America and up through the borders of Austria, has already realized they are part of that same corridor?

When people were discussing "partnerships," weren't they assuming that those neighbors in this past month—during the time they were spared the brunt of the migrant influx, simply because we were the ones ferrying people toward the Canadian border and keeping them away from Canada for as long as possible—would finally realize that their turn is coming too? Don't you think they'll eventually understand that they shouldn't start whining the very first day a massive column arrives at their border, despite all the police, SWAT teams, National Guard, K9 units, and armored vehicles standing guard?

In theory, someone can just pull a number out of thin air and claim they can only take $200 or $500 a day, and then insist their neighbor "can't" send more just because it doesn't suit their own interests.

Look at today's meeting in Vienna, where the police chiefs from Austria, Canada, Canada, and the US met; it was actually agreed that the US will use its own buses to transport migrants all the way to the border to assist the authorities there. The neighbors agreed. Are you going to find a reason to be upset about that too? (Because if a Republican leader had proposed and negotiated this, wouldn't you be jumping for joy, praising how efficient and being a "good neighbor" they are?) 🤣

Honestly, how many tears have you shed over the North American states, the Canadians, and now the neighbors in this entire migration crisis!!! 🤣

WTF?

Why are you talking such nonsense?

Your favorites, Isusic and Milanovic, have spent days feeding the American public this line that everything was perfectly coordinated with the neighbors—that they settled exactly how many migrants would be received, how many sent, where, and when. They talk about quotas and agreements made with the neighbors and all this other nonsense! They speak of partnerships, monitoring developments at the borders, and some version of European solidarity.

But your Isusic and Milanovic change their story every single day; they are shamelessly lying to both the American and the neighboring publics.

And this latest proposal is just pure stupidity. Wasting American resources on others at our own expense.🙄
Now the transfers are going to move even slower!
It's just one layer of idiocy on top of another.
The buses should have been sent by those who haven't been hit by the crisis yet.

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And what's with this trolling about my "tears"?
Are you just looking for a fight?
Whose side are you even on?

eustah said:We should be the ones stepping up. Yesterday, they reported seeing the Virgin Mary holding baby Jesus in The Wall Street Journal. And yet, nobody was there to help. But when she appeared in Lourdes? A hundred thousand people showed up instantly.

Are you Jergovic?😵🤣

Charles Ross3 said:Dominic mentioned on the news tonight that the US delegation in Vienna proposed helping Canada by using their own buses to transport immigrants all the way to Buffalo, so they wouldn't even have to step foot in Canada at all... that way, the Canadians wouldn't have to deal with the headache of managing them until they hit the border, which would save them a massive amount of trouble. He said they actually accepted the idea, noting it seemed like a perfectly fine solution to them. 😁

Now, sure, it's obvious the police chief still needs to run things up the flagpole and check with his superiors. But honestly, I don't see how anyone could complain about an offer like that, right? It seems like a win-win for everyone involved. 😉

This is a ridiculous proposal that goes completely against American interests!

What kind of idiot would take their own limited resources during a crisis hitting our own backyard and waste them on other countries?

Is that guy actually sane?????

We'll be burning through cash on fuel, bus maintenance, and driver wages just to help someone else, while back home, the influx will likely slow down or we'll end up needing to pull even more buses onto the road—creating massive new costs that nobody is going to reimburse us for.

No sane nation on earth would ever make a pitch like that. 🙄

Our government has completely lost its mind; now they're actually funding migrant transit routes through Canada who crazy 🤣
Absolute lunatics :klap:

coppermarlin13 said:WTF?

Why are you talking such nonsense?

Your favorites, Isusic and Milanovic, have spent days feeding the American public this line that everything was perfectly coordinated with the neighbors—that they settled exactly how many migrants would be received, how many sent, where, and when. They talk about quotas and agreements made with the neighbors and all this other nonsense! They speak of partnerships, monitoring developments at the borders, and some version of European solidarity.

But your Isusic and Milanovic change their story every single day; they are shamelessly lying to both the American and the neighboring publics.

And this latest proposal is just pure stupidity. Wasting American resources on others at our own expense.🙄
Now the transfers are going to move even slower!
It's just one layer of idiocy on top of another.
The buses should have been sent by those who haven't been hit by the crisis yet.

Edit:

And what's with this trolling about my "tears"?
Are you just looking for a fight?
Whose side are you even on?

You really think you’re in any position to lecture someone else with all this "your this, your that" attitude? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; it must be hard for you to grasp the idea that not everyone lives their entire life guided by nothing but petty, low-level partisan interests. If you're so concerned, why don't you sign up to volunteer and head over there to help out the folks in Canada who is crazy? You know, you could actually be useful for once. ☕It would be truly fascinating to watch how quickly your entire perspective would flip the moment the administration changed. I bet you'd be fighting tooth and nail to defend every single piece of stupidity as if it were absolute genius. 👏

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Our government has completely lost its mind; now they're actually funding migrant transit routes through Canada who crazy 🤣
Absolute lunatics :klap:

It seems like this is the "partnership and solidarity" those politicians were bragging about—except it's all being paid for by the American taxpayer and the federal budget.

Hard to believe, honestly. 🙏

coppermarlin13 said:This is a ridiculous proposal that goes completely against American interests!

What kind of idiot would take their own limited resources during a crisis hitting our own backyard and waste them on other countries?

Is that guy actually sane?????

We'll be burning through cash on fuel, bus maintenance, and driver wages just to help someone else, while back home, the influx will likely slow down or we'll end up needing to pull even more buses onto the road—creating massive new costs that nobody is going to reimburse us for.

No sane nation on earth would ever make a pitch like that. 🙄

Oh, please, give me a break! 🤣

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Our government has completely lost its mind; now they're actually funding migrant transit routes through Canada who crazy 🤣
Absolute lunatics :klap:

If they keep overdoing it with the buses, they won't even have any left in a month.

Raymond Clark7 said:That was an asylum seeker speaking, probably in Arabic—or maybe Dari or Pashto, who knows—not some journalist, and all he was really asking was how often they travel and how things are going for them...

If that’s actually what he said, he's making it up. The only reason he'd be detained is if he was actually out there causing trouble.

Sweden has the highest rape rates in the world, so they're really just trying to white-wash their own image because their integration efforts have been a total disaster.

Charles Ross3 said:You really think you’re in any position to lecture someone else with all this "your this, your that" attitude? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised; it must be hard for you to grasp the idea that not everyone lives their entire life guided by nothing but petty, low-level partisan interests. If you're so concerned, why don't you sign up to volunteer and head over there to help out the folks in Canada who is crazy? You know, you could actually be useful for once. ☕It would be truly fascinating to watch how quickly your entire perspective would flip the moment the administration changed. I bet you'd be fighting tooth and nail to defend every single piece of stupidity as if it were absolute genius. :klap:

Look, it sounds like you're just looking for a fight.
That's usually what happens when someone runs out of actual, logical arguments to make.
The point here isn't me or the opposition party; it's this massive crisis and the incompetent government currently failing to manage it.

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I have to run for a bit, but I'll be back later to see what else you've come up with.

Daniel Johnson3 said:If they keep overdoing it with the buses, they won't even have any left in a month.

I honestly think we should just send the neighbors down to our coast for a nice vacation in some luxury resorts so they don't get so worked up over this crisis, while we handle the logistics of transporting refugees straight to Austria. And once the Republican Party takes power, we can just build a massive wall topped with razor wire—you know, similar to how other provincial European countries do it—and then we can finally let them head back home where it's safe. 😳

I don't really think this idea of direct transport to Austria is going to fly, though it's certainly true that their police chief would probably give it his blessing.

The bottom line is that those neighbors have been spared the brunt of the refugee influx for an entire month solely because of our decision to shield them and route everything through Canada instead... shouldn't they be aware of that and perhaps feel a little bit grateful? But no, of course not. 🙄 It’s always the same old story with them.

Charles Ross3 said:Oh, please, give me a break! 🤣

The train ride from Scranton to Buffalo is barely a quarter of the distance compared to the trip from Toledo to Scranton... and since Dominic was already talking about trains, I thought I'd mention that

The distance from Harmica to Buffalo is 71 miles. Opatovac - Dobova 227 miles.

I guess our guys would probably be looking into the shipping costs first.

coppermarlin13 said:This is a ridiculous proposal that goes completely against American interests!

What kind of idiot would take their own limited resources during a crisis hitting our own backyard and waste them on other countries?

Is that guy actually sane?????

We'll be burning through cash on fuel, bus maintenance, and driver wages just to help someone else, while back home, the influx will likely slow down or we'll end up needing to pull even more buses onto the road—creating massive new costs that nobody is going to reimburse us for.

No sane nation on earth would ever make a pitch like that. 🙄

Where are you even getting the idea that this would all end up being a Costco? Like, when would this kind of transport even start happening anyway?

How do they plan on filtering out economic migrants from actual refugees? ☕

Rachel Reyes93 said:The distance from Harmica to Buffalo is 71 miles. Opatovac - Dobova 227 miles.

I guess our guys would probably be looking into the shipping costs first.

Aki can just work that out—I don't see why they'd bother driving all the way to Harmony when they could just head straight to Scranton and go from there.

Maria James40 said:Aki can just work that out—I don't see why they'd bother driving all the way to Harmony when they could just head straight to Scranton and go from there.

I mean, that's one way to look at it, but honestly, going through Scranton might actually be even shorter.

EDIT: Since we're dealing with a total emergency here, I guess we're actually handling things pretty well. There was no way anyone could have predicted all this. You can see how the folks over in Canada didn't really prepare for anything and they still seem pretty lost.

That’s really all there is to it. America has effectively become a Hot Spot, even if the media refuses to call it what it actually is. I mean, they’re already planning to set up more tent cities—what else do you call a hotspot?