Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Maria James40 said:And what if Joe Biden decided to just keep them all here? Look, we're all trying to be humanitarians, just like everyone else making the trek toward Germany.

If it isn't obvious by now, I'm against building a fence on the border with Mexico, especially since we have Canada right there—I think I already mentioned my reasons for that. Basically, it feels like this issue needs to be tackled somewhere else entirely, not right on the American border. As for when that might happen, or if it ever will... well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Robert Moore10 said:

The police over in Canada posted some thermal imaging footage on their website—taken from a helicopter during the night of October 20th to 21st—as proof that massive groups of refugees were crossing the Canadian border with help from the American authorities, "even crossing over the unknown area.
"They didn't even try to stop them," the Canadian police claimed, criticizing the American government for failing to "direct them toward the most appropriate border crossings instead, letting them head straight through the green border where unknown people tried to enter the land by crossing the unknown river."
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"At the train station, passengers got off and, under the escort of American police, were sent on foot toward the border with Canada, where they were blocked by the unknown river right on the boundary line. After a while, the refugees decided to cross the border by swimming across the river. It’s crystal clear that on the American side, there was no intention to even attempt to stop anyone just to redirect them to more suitable crossings," the statement read.

unknown responded

unknown: Don't let them out in drips and drabs

When asked to respond to the accusations coming from the Canadian government, the American Police Minister, unknown, told CNN in a statement to his Canadian colleagues: "Just a quick word... Transit them humanely without combat vehicles, dogs, or wire at the agreed-upon crossings, but don't let them trickle in bit by bit until they start finding their own paths... That's what humanity looks like to me."

unknown responded to Canadian accusations of inhumanity

Who's actually crazy here? Is Joe Biden going to go out and slap an embargo on himself now??
Who knows how many migrants are in America if this is how things are being handled. Looks like total panic within The Government.
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Frank Sanchez37 said:To those of you claiming that fences and riot squads won't stop them—honestly, it sounds like you’ve never actually seen what a baton does to most people. Once you take a hit like that, you aren't looking to stick around for round two. And let's be real, you can't just have ten thousand migrants charging the entire length of the border all at once without being able to hold them back using water cannons and police lines. It's just not how it works.
I mean, look at what happened recently during that big game at the stadium in Miami: there were about 7,500 people packed into the north section, and toward the end, a group started protesting and moving west, trying to tear through the barricades. Suddenly, about twenty riot officers come charging from the other side of the fence and start spraying tear gas... man, you wouldn't believe the chaos of everyone scrambling backward. Only about ten of the craziest guys tried to push through, but even they eventually gave up.

That’s pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

Gary Perez7 said:I want to see how they plan on deporting them without any enforcement resources. Are they actually allowed to do that to such vulnerable immigrants?

If the Germans had even an ounce of humanity, they would just set up their own camps in Turkey and fly people over directly.
But that would expose the actual engineering they're trying to pull off.
Instead, they play the humanitarian card while cowardly making life difficult for every country along the route.

Weren't you called the "smart kid" in school?
Think about the sheer volume of people. How many can pass through a single gap compared to those moving through open fields? You can't fit even a fraction of the people who walk through open areas through a fence line.

And I'd love to see this "genius" technique of yours involving wood and blankets. Pure brilliance.

David Baker2 said:It absolutely can happen if their neighbors "spontaneously" ferry them all over in a tiny window of time.

Just look at our own situation where we went from zero to 5,000 at the border in just a few hours on the very first day.

And please, for the love of God, stop comparing soccer matches to this.

At soccer games, you deal with arrogant, obnoxious people, some who are high and plenty who are drunk.

These are people who have absolutely nothing left to lose.

If I had trekked several thousand miles and someone dared to stand in my way62 miles before I reached my destination.. I’d rip their throat out just to get past.

You simply don't grasp the mindset of these individuals, nor do you understand how the human brain reconfigures itself under specific circumstances and environments.

Maybe you could have easily sent those people back while they were still on a coast in North Africa.
But the person who has already crossed the sea, navigated through Europe, and made it all the way to the US border? That person is already mentally wired like a bull charging a red rag being waved right in front of their nose.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:🤦

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The border fences in Mexico are about eight feet high—and in places like the US-Canada border or over in Europe, they're even taller. What kind of talk is this about things coiling up? It's just not realistic.

Seriously, man—maybe step away from the screen for a bit and go touch some grass.

Sophia Ramos5 said:Honestly, true. It's better to be born without a nose than to be born without an imagination.

What does a cubic yard of planks cost these days? $400. Someone is clearly profiting here, parking loads of lumber right up against the border every single day. You just pile the boards up until the weight pulls the wire tight. And the netting? Why bother even setting that up?

Dana Robinson4 said:That sounds great, go ahead and bite someone's throat out—you'll just end up with a bullet to the forehead...
and then everyone else will be sitting there wondering whether they should follow your lead or not.

Gary Perez7 said:What I find most infuriating is when someone treats you like an idiot—when they know damn well you see through their nonsense, yet they push the agenda anyway.
Merkel calls for everyone to come to Germany, claiming they'll take in as many as necessary.

Then she turns around and talks about how everyone within the EU has to share the burden.
Who do they think they are? They don't own the entire EU.
If they're so eager to take everyone in, then let Germany handle it alone without dragging the rest of the EU into the mess.
Instead, they've already dragged us into it.

They’ve likely already drained over $4 million in taxpayer money from American citizens.

People watch too many movies where characters take a punch to the ribs and keep charging the cops.
The ones claiming this can't be stopped have never actually taken a hit in real life, nor have they witnessed how force works on a crowd.

They’ve turned these poor souls into Supermen who can leap three meters into the air, swim across a raging Mississippi, and trek through the Appalachians in -20°F weather.

Frank Sanchez37 said:To those of you claiming that fences and riot squads won't stop them—honestly, it sounds like you’ve never actually seen what a baton does to most people. Once you take a hit like that, you aren't looking to stick around for round two. And let's be real, you can't just have ten thousand migrants charging the entire length of the border all at once without being able to hold them back using water cannons and police lines. It's just not how it works.
I mean, look at what happened recently during that big game at the stadium in Miami: there were about 7,500 people packed into the north section, and toward the end, a group started protesting and moving west, trying to tear through the barricades. Suddenly, about twenty riot officers come charging from the other side of the fence and start spraying tear gas... man, you wouldn't believe the chaos of everyone scrambling backward. Only about ten of the craziest guys tried to push through, but even they eventually gave up.

That’s pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

David Baker2 said:It absolutely can happen if their neighbors "spontaneously" ferry them all over in a tiny window of time.

Just look at our own situation where we went from zero to 5,000 at the border in just a few hours on the very first day.

And please, for the love of God, stop comparing soccer matches to this.

At soccer games, you deal with arrogant, obnoxious people, some who are high and plenty who are drunk.

These are people who have absolutely nothing left to lose.

If I had trekked several thousand miles and someone dared to stand in my way62 miles before I reached my destination.. I’d rip their throat out just to get past.

You simply don't grasp the mindset of these individuals, nor do you understand how the human brain reconfigures itself under specific circumstances and environments.

Maybe you could have easily sent those people back while they were still on a coast in North Africa.
But the person who has already crossed the sea, navigated through Europe, and made it all the way to the US border? That person is already mentally wired like a bull charging a red rag being waved right in front of their nose.

Dana Robinson4 said:That sounds great, go ahead and bite someone's throat out—you'll just end up with a bullet to the forehead...
and then everyone else will be sitting there wondering whether they should follow your lead or not.

Dana Robinson4 said:That sounds great, go ahead and bite someone's throat out—you'll just end up with a bullet to the forehead...
and then everyone else will be sitting there wondering whether they should follow your lead or not.

redridge35 said:There's actually a way to handle people like that too. I honestly don't know what these guys think is waiting for them over in Germany—it's basically a lifetime of living off welfare. That's the reality for them, and honestly, probably for the next generation too, since they'll just be riding the system instead of actually contributing.

Benjamin Reyes52 said:It seems nobody wants to admit that they simply don't have the right to cross borders like this.

Gary Perez7 said:Draw me a sketch and attach it here.

Now, following the whole Superman fiasco, refugees have suddenly started getting labeled as engineers.
And they’ve got excavators on standby, too.😁

It is incredible how much the media and various special interest groups try to convince you that a mob of a few thousand people has the power and the right to do whatever the hell they want,
and that there is absolutely no way to stop them.

Of course, that's only true if there isn't any force being used on the other side. A few swings of a baton can bring even a bear to heel.
Just like it would work on a starving guy from Asia.

Sophia Ramos5 said:Honestly, true. It's better to be born without a nose than to be born without an imagination.

What does a cubic yard of planks cost these days? $400. Someone is clearly profiting here, parking loads of lumber right up against the border every single day. You just pile the boards up until the weight pulls the wire tight. And the netting? Why bother even setting that up?

Gary Perez7 said:What I find most infuriating is when someone treats you like an idiot—when they know damn well you see through their nonsense, yet they push the agenda anyway.
Merkel calls for everyone to come to Germany, claiming they'll take in as many as necessary.

Then she turns around and talks about how everyone within the EU has to share the burden.
Who do they think they are? They don't own the entire EU.
If they're so eager to take everyone in, then let Germany handle it alone without dragging the rest of the EU into the mess.
Instead, they've already dragged us into it.

They’ve likely already drained over $4 million in taxpayer money from American citizens.

People watch too many movies where characters take a punch to the ribs and keep charging the cops.
The ones claiming this can't be stopped have never actually taken a hit in real life, nor have they witnessed how force works on a crowd.

They’ve turned these poor souls into Supermen who can leap three meters into the air, swim across a raging Mississippi, and trek through the Appalachians in -20°F weather.

sivi svijet;55964355 said:nothing sucks more than when someone treats you like an idiot, knowing damn well you see right through them but doing it anyway
Merkel calls everyone to Germany, claiming we'll take in as many as it takes

then she starts lecturing about how the whole EU needs to split the burden
who the hell do they think they are? They don't own the entire EU
if they're so eager to take everyone in, fine—let Germany handle it alone without dragging the rest of the EU into the mess
but they already pulled us in

they've probably already bled over $3 million in taxpayer money from American citizens

What do you guys think? Just more illiterate sheep from Eastern Europe... tax Germany

Too bad there isn't a full clip of this, and too bad our local radio stations won't play it as a "thank you" to Germany for this disaster. I guess the "Übermensch" have to be smarter than the rest of us...

David Baker2 said:Exactly.
If only you actually had the guts to pull the trigger.

That's where the real danger lies. 😁