Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

The human race doesn't possess, nor will it ever possess, a magic wand
We merely hold certain resources that we exploit until we inevitably destroy the very planet we call home

Humanity crossed the line a long time ago; we are consuming the Earth much faster than it can possibly regenerate
Seven billion people is simply too many for this planet to sustain, especially as our numbers continue to swell
With such finite resources, we are seeing an ever-increasing number of people falling into poverty

The gentleman explained this perfectly in the film


Accepting immigrants serves no purpose and helps absolutely no one

The police over in Canada posted some thermal imaging footage on their website—taken from a helicopter during the night of October 20th to 21st—as proof that massive groups of refugees were crossing the Canadian border with help from the American authorities, "even crossing over the unknown area.
"They didn't even try to stop them," the Canadian police claimed, criticizing the American government for failing to "direct them toward the most appropriate border crossings instead, letting them head straight through the green border where unknown people tried to enter the land by crossing the unknown river."
...
"At the train station, passengers got off and, under the escort of American police, were sent on foot toward the border with Canada, where they were blocked by the unknown river right on the boundary line. After a while, the refugees decided to cross the border by swimming across the river. It’s crystal clear that on the American side, there was no intention to even attempt to stop anyone just to redirect them to more suitable crossings," the statement read.

unknown responded

unknown: Don't let them out in drips and drabs

When asked to respond to the accusations coming from the Canadian government, the American Police Minister, unknown, told CNN in a statement to his Canadian colleagues: "Just a quick word... Transit them humanely without combat vehicles, dogs, or wire at the agreed-upon crossings, but don't let them trickle in bit by bit until they start finding their own paths... That's what humanity looks like to me."

unknown responded to Canadian accusations of inhumanity

Who's actually crazy here? Is Joe Biden going to go out and slap an embargo on himself now??
Who knows how many migrants are in America if this is how things are being handled. Looks like total panic within The Government.
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David Baker2 said:Those people in Canada can play the genius role all they want, but just wait until we start piling refugees up against that precious little fence of theirs; I guarantee their laughter will turn to pure panic instantly. Especially after they get that first frantic phone call from Soros.

And don't even get me started on the rest of you fence-worshippers who are right there alongside them. ☕

I find myself wondering why Zoran Milanović acts with such misplaced aggression toward the Canadians while remaining remarkably soft on the Canadians.☕
Give us a little more variety in your rhetoric, man. 🤣

Maria James40 said:Look, I gave you some examples, but you're just clutching your head and doubling down on your own logic. I laid out specific areas in Canada, so here they are again—feel free to tell me exactly which parts are supposedly "impassable":

Here’s a possible scenario:

- 2,000 people show up in San Francisco—tourism tanks—now where do we put them?
- A larger group follows the Neretva valley and reaches Metković.
- 3,000 people caught out in the Imotski Field; we'll need about 60 buses since there's no rail line.
- They break through the fence at Strmica.
- 2,000 from last night end up in Donji Lapac.
- 5,000 arriving from Velika Kladuša.
- Traffic gets blocked on the bridges over the Mississippi—business owners start protesting.

So, looking at those places, where exactly is the border considered impassable?

P.S. Just so we're clear, I've said this before—if Canada were an ocean, I’d be all for building a fence along the border with Mexico. But the way things are now, it doesn't make sense; if anything, it just creates more problems when they start coming in through Canada.

Do you honestly believe Mexico, Mexico, Albania, or Canada will just sit idly by while America builds a wall?!

It’ll trigger a domino effect—problem solved. Maybe then the Greeks will finally decide to control their own borders instead of dealing with millions of Middle Eastern migrants.

Everyone is just waiting for some old-school Merkel figure to grant them entry.😉

Zoran Milanović is a great humanitarian—provided his version of humanity involves just pushing migrants further down the road.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:Most of the US-Mexico border is already impassable. Try trekking through the Rockies or the Sierra Nevadas and let me know how it goes (if you even make it). Or try crossing via the Mississippi or the Missouri. Don't forget that the US Army barely managed to push through the river valleys back in '95, and even then, it was a failed military operation because those rivers were such massive obstacles. And now you think a crowd of immigrants in sneakers can just stroll across Canada into the States, much like they move across the flat plains from Mexico into the US? 🤣

If you put up fencing at the easier access points along the border with Canada, that still only covers a small fraction of the perimeter. Even if they make it to a place like New Orleans, where do they go from there? They’d still have to navigate multiple state lines and cross through places like Mobile.

Let me break this down for you.

The "mold" is just a riverboat. You use one mold to make X number of boats out of plastic. Is there a Home Depot with a fiberglass warehouse in a town like Little Rock? If not, they'll open one. And what's the big deal about ordering five containers of inflatable rafts from China and selling them in some small town in the Midwest? You think Turkey doesn't mass-produce inflatable boats?

Money? These people were paying 1,500 Dollars a head just to get into Greece. Do I really need to go any further?

Chloe Martinez7 said:You are clearly an anti-American element.☕

Weren't you the one who posted all those points on the forum about how they could slip through the US-Mexico border? And that was even before they arrived and when unknown redirected everyone toward us.

Look, I’m not really trying to be that guy—you know, the one who's always nitpicking—but I think I’m just trying to look at things realistically here. Honestly? I feel like we're actually doing pretty well right now, regardless of which party is running the show in D.C. or who's sitting in the Oval Office... I guess I just don't find myself constantly checking who's in power to decide how I should feel about our situation.

I mean, what we’re doing to the Canadians with these recordings from Sutla feels a little dirty, I guess—kind of a low blow, if I'm being honest. But look, if they want to show even a shred of humanity, they should just let our train pass through to Dobova or maybe all the way to Ptuj... then we wouldn't have all this mess with people wading through rivers, right? And honestly, they really ought to just give us the train back so we can get it loaded up again. Simple as that, really. 😁

Alexander Ortiz3 said:It was the exact same thing when the authorities dealt with the situation at the US-Mexico border. There was some minor unrest, a bit of tear gas used, and by the next day, everything had settled down. These aren't superheroes; once they realize their tactics aren't working, they back off. They didn't come here to fight a war in America; they just want to live a comfortable life.
You can't just jump over a fence when it's reinforced with multiple layers of razor wire designed to tear through skin. At the border crossings, you've got specialized tactical units, water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets, and armored vehicles. There simply isn't an opening there.

It's under high tension. If you try to cut it from six feet away, the whole thing just snaps back into a pile on itself because of the tension. How are you supposed to cut it from six feet out? Honestly, if I can figure out why that wouldn't work, surely someone staring directly at the obstacle would too.

While they’re still dragging their feet on deciding about the border wall, I guess I’ll just keep obsessing over this:

De Mezier visited the Red Cross reception center for people from the North America

Associated Press | 10/22/2015 - 3:22 PM | Comments: 0
The German Minister of the Interior, Thomas de Mezier, stated today that by establishing that center for people arriving from the North America, it's pretty clear that asylum seekers from those countries aren't going to be allowed to stay in Germany.

Thomas de Mezier
- By setting up this center, we're sending a loud and clear message that asylum seekers from the North America can't stay in Germany and have to head back home - said De Mezier.

He visited the facility, which is located in a former U.S. military barracks in Bamberg, Bavaria, and has been running since September, alongside the Bavarian ministers for social policy, Emily Miller, and health, Melanie Huml.

De Mezier mentioned that refugees from the North America are getting a fair shot at an asylum process that only takes about five to ten days in Bamberg, though he added that the chance of anyone actually being granted asylum is probably less than one percent.

German politicians are basically pointing out that people coming from so-called safe countries—which includes Mexico—don't really stand a chance at staying in Germany or getting asylum status. Meanwhile, the New York Post has learned that an action plan is being cooked up in Berlin to deport and send rejected asylum seekers back to their home countries, potentially even involving Supreme Court-affiliated pilots.

- On top of that, they won't be announcing the deportations anymore, so asylum seekers won't have a heads-up to go into hiding to avoid being sent back - the tabloid reports regarding this plan, which is supposedly ready to roll out soon.

There's also talk of setting up transit zones right on the German borders—like the ones leading to Austria, for example—using special tent or container-style reception centers. According to the paper, they want to declare these "extraterritorial zones," which basically means they wouldn't technically be part of German territory.

In these zones, decisions would be made within a few days on whether someone stays or goes, and then rejected asylum seekers would be sent straight back to their home countries, maybe by train, plane, or even voluntarily.

These zones would apply to everyone whose arrival is deemed unfounded, like people from those "safe" countries, according to the report.

When it comes to those specific places, Mexico has been on the list of safe countries for a while now, meaning there isn't any political persecution or violence there, so asylum claims from its citizens in Germany are considered baseless, though under German rules, they can still be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

Chloe Martinez7 said:I'm not a parent, but even I don't get that part
well, there's another side to this
I honestly don't know what drives these people
given everything we've read

Thank God I didn't have to leave my apartment during the era of the Great Depression. To be perfectly honest, it's hard for me to truly empathize with people forced to abandon their homes, whatever the reason might be. Sure, I can wrap my head around the concept, but thinking about it and actually living through it are two very different things.

What is it that pushes these people to leave everything behind—even if they have some money with them, which seems like plenty to us—to head somewhere just because someone told them life would be better? It's as if nothing else exists to them.
What kind of mindset or emotion makes you drag your children through freezing water? And facing nothing but setbacks.
Then we read about the sick, the women giving birth on the road... I remember when they were stuck in that godforsaken gap between us and Canada, an American doctor volunteered his services. One child had to be rushed into Canada for emergency care, and word was the prognosis was grim—that they might lose both legs.

In Syria, there are over 200,000 orphans—kids who've lost their parents entirely.
I was reading somewhere that in Germany, a huge number of those kids have been placed in foster care or centers. It seems pretty obvious that some people might take advantage of these children just to make their own path easier, which might be one way to explain what you're asking about.

gentlemoose57 said:You’ve clearly been watching too many action movies:

You can overcome razor wire with one thick blanket.

With a few cubic yards of lumber, you could build a bridge over it straight to Brooklyn. You might even have enough left over for some toll booths.

Rachel Reyes93 said:While they’re still dragging their feet on deciding about the border wall, I guess I’ll just keep obsessing over this:

De Mezier visited the Red Cross reception center for people from the North America

Associated Press | 10/22/2015 - 3:22 PM | Comments: 0
The German Minister of the Interior, Thomas de Mezier, stated today that by establishing that center for people arriving from the North America, it's pretty clear that asylum seekers from those countries aren't going to be allowed to stay in Germany.

Thomas de Mezier
- By setting up this center, we're sending a loud and clear message that asylum seekers from the North America can't stay in Germany and have to head back home - said De Mezier.

He visited the facility, which is located in a former U.S. military barracks in Bamberg, Bavaria, and has been running since September, alongside the Bavarian ministers for social policy, Emily Miller, and health, Melanie Huml.

De Mezier mentioned that refugees from the North America are getting a fair shot at an asylum process that only takes about five to ten days in Bamberg, though he added that the chance of anyone actually being granted asylum is probably less than one percent.

German politicians are basically pointing out that people coming from so-called safe countries—which includes Mexico—don't really stand a chance at staying in Germany or getting asylum status. Meanwhile, the New York Post has learned that an action plan is being cooked up in Berlin to deport and send rejected asylum seekers back to their home countries, potentially even involving Supreme Court-affiliated pilots.

- On top of that, they won't be announcing the deportations anymore, so asylum seekers won't have a heads-up to go into hiding to avoid being sent back - the tabloid reports regarding this plan, which is supposedly ready to roll out soon.

There's also talk of setting up transit zones right on the German borders—like the ones leading to Austria, for example—using special tent or container-style reception centers. According to the paper, they want to declare these "extraterritorial zones," which basically means they wouldn't technically be part of German territory.

In these zones, decisions would be made within a few days on whether someone stays or goes, and then rejected asylum seekers would be sent straight back to their home countries, maybe by train, plane, or even voluntarily.

These zones would apply to everyone whose arrival is deemed unfounded, like people from those "safe" countries, according to the report.

When it comes to those specific places, Mexico has been on the list of safe countries for a while now, meaning there isn't any political persecution or violence there, so asylum claims from its citizens in Germany are considered baseless, though under German rules, they can still be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

I want to see how they plan on deporting them without any enforcement resources. Are they actually allowed to do that to such vulnerable immigrants?

If the Germans had even an ounce of humanity, they would just set up their own camps in Turkey and fly people over directly.
But that would expose the actual engineering they're trying to pull off.
Instead, they play the humanitarian card while cowardly making life difficult for every country along the route.

Sophia Ramos5 said:With a few cubic yards of lumber, you could build a bridge over it straight to Brooklyn. You might even have enough left over for some toll booths.

Weren't you called the "smart kid" in school?
Think about the sheer volume of people. How many can pass through a single gap compared to those moving through open fields? You can't fit even a fraction of the people who walk through open areas through a fence line.

And I'd love to see this "genius" technique of yours involving wood and blankets. Pure brilliance.

Maria James40 said:In Syria, there are over 200,000 orphans—kids who've lost their parents entirely.
I was reading somewhere that in Germany, a huge number of those kids have been placed in foster care or centers. It seems pretty obvious that some people might take advantage of these children just to make their own path easier, which might be one way to explain what you're asking about.

So they take an orphan from Turkey and drop them off in Germany? That kid is probably just itching to assimilate.

Gary Perez7 said:I want to see how they plan on deporting them without any enforcement resources. Are they actually allowed to do that to such vulnerable immigrants?

If the Germans had even an ounce of humanity, they would just set up their own camps in Turkey and fly people over directly.
But that would expose the actual engineering they're trying to pull off.
Instead, they play the humanitarian card while cowardly making life difficult for every country along the route.

Weren't you called the "smart kid" in school?
Think about the sheer volume of people. How many can pass through a single gap compared to those moving through open fields? You can't fit even a fraction of the people who walk through open areas through a fence line.

And I'd love to see this "genius" technique of yours involving wood and blankets. Pure brilliance.

I'm with you, they basically invited them in and now we're the ones left cleaning up the mess.

Anyway, I'm assuming enough people will read this that maybe the wave will die down a bit.
They should just fly them out on planes.

Besides, they mentioned this isn't just limited to the North America, but applies to other safe countries too.

Sophia Ramos5 said:It's under high tension. If you try to cut it from six feet away, the whole thing just snaps back into a pile on itself because of the tension. How are you supposed to cut it from six feet out? Honestly, if I can figure out why that wouldn't work, surely someone staring directly at the obstacle would too.

🤦

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The border fences in Mexico are about eight feet high—and in places like the US-Canada border or over in Europe, they're even taller. What kind of talk is this about things coiling up? It's just not realistic.

Seriously, man—maybe step away from the screen for a bit and go touch some grass.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:Do you honestly believe Mexico, Mexico, Albania, or Canada will just sit idly by while America builds a wall?!

It’ll trigger a domino effect—problem solved. Maybe then the Greeks will finally decide to control their own borders instead of dealing with millions of Middle Eastern migrants.

Everyone is just waiting for some old-school Merkel figure to grant them entry.😉

Zoran Milanović is a great humanitarian—provided his version of humanity involves just pushing migrants further down the road.

And what if Joe Biden decided to just keep them all here? Look, we're all trying to be humanitarians, just like everyone else making the trek toward Germany.

If it isn't obvious by now, I'm against building a fence on the border with Mexico, especially since we have Canada right there—I think I already mentioned my reasons for that. Basically, it feels like this issue needs to be tackled somewhere else entirely, not right on the American border. As for when that might happen, or if it ever will... well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

ironmoose6 said:There are specific regions where the US really needs to reinforce its border security to ensure the system actually works as intended.map

Pointless.

Grab the USA border coordinates from the Census Bureau data, import them into Google Earth, and crank up the elevation so we can view it all in 3D. Treat Canada like a leaking hamper—just show us where the contents are spilling over the borders so we can see exactly where we need to plug the gaps.

Robert Moore10 said:So they take an orphan from Turkey and drop them off in Germany? That kid is probably just itching to assimilate.

Yeah. That’s pretty much what I read about a few days ago. As for integration 😁—well, there's really nothing happening there, but I suppose that's a whole other conversation entirely...

driftingtinker said:Some folks over in Canada just dropped this night footage from a helicopter:
http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...roco-reko.html

They’re out here trying to blame the American side, claiming we intentionally sent people into the river or whatever, but if you actually watch the footage, you can see a small group just split off and headed the wrong way on their own. I guess it's easier to point fingers than to admit someone messed up.

That’s my take too. They love to act like they're "always telling the truth," so if we send them some buses, will they confiscate those as vehicles used for transporting illegal trespassers?

To those of you claiming that fences and riot squads won't stop them—honestly, it sounds like you’ve never actually seen what a baton does to most people. Once you take a hit like that, you aren't looking to stick around for round two. And let's be real, you can't just have ten thousand migrants charging the entire length of the border all at once without being able to hold them back using water cannons and police lines. It's just not how it works.
I mean, look at what happened recently during that big game at the stadium in Miami: there were about 7,500 people packed into the north section, and toward the end, a group started protesting and moving west, trying to tear through the barricades. Suddenly, about twenty riot officers come charging from the other side of the fence and start spraying tear gas... man, you wouldn't believe the chaos of everyone scrambling backward. Only about ten of the craziest guys tried to push through, but even they eventually gave up.

That’s pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

Rachel Reyes93 said:I'm with you, they basically invited them in and now we're the ones left cleaning up the mess.

Anyway, I'm assuming enough people will read this that maybe the wave will die down a bit.
They should just fly them out on planes.

Besides, they mentioned this isn't just limited to the North America, but applies to other safe countries too.

What I find most infuriating is when someone treats you like an idiot—when they know damn well you see through their nonsense, yet they push the agenda anyway.
Merkel calls for everyone to come to Germany, claiming they'll take in as many as necessary.

Then she turns around and talks about how everyone within the EU has to share the burden.
Who do they think they are? They don't own the entire EU.
If they're so eager to take everyone in, then let Germany handle it alone without dragging the rest of the EU into the mess.
Instead, they've already dragged us into it.

They’ve likely already drained over $4 million in taxpayer money from American citizens.

Frank Sanchez37 said:To those of you claiming that fences and riot squads won't stop them—honestly, it sounds like you’ve never actually seen what a baton does to most people. Once you take a hit like that, you aren't looking to stick around for round two. And let's be real, you can't just have ten thousand migrants charging the entire length of the border all at once without being able to hold them back using water cannons and police lines. It's just not how it works.
I mean, look at what happened recently during that big game at the stadium in Miami: there were about 7,500 people packed into the north section, and toward the end, a group started protesting and moving west, trying to tear through the barricades. Suddenly, about twenty riot officers come charging from the other side of the fence and start spraying tear gas... man, you wouldn't believe the chaos of everyone scrambling backward. Only about ten of the craziest guys tried to push through, but even they eventually gave up.

That’s pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

People watch too many movies where characters take a punch to the ribs and keep charging the cops.
The ones claiming this can't be stopped have never actually taken a hit in real life, nor have they witnessed how force works on a crowd.

They’ve turned these poor souls into Supermen who can leap three meters into the air, swim across a raging Mississippi, and trek through the Appalachians in -20°F weather.