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Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

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gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
72 messages
joined May 2014
#801 ·
Brenda Taylor13 said:Man, you are talking absolute, straight-up, TOTAL nonsense. After they put that fence up at the Canadian border, 22 immigrants crossed it illegally. Twenty-two!

So, newsflash: the fence WORKS.

No, let’s be real here—the fence does not work. What actually "works" is the route through the States. That's why nobody is heading toward the US anymore. Having a fence on the way into the US just adds a minor inconvenience, making it much easier to just come through the States instead. Even if we had our own barrier, people would still bust right through it—no problem at all. Maybe they'd try it at the southern border, maybe somewhere else, but it wouldn't stop them.
Sophia Ramos5 Sophia Ramos5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#802 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Oh, please! Go ahead and try explaining to the Italians or the Greeks that fifty yards of sweet water is "impassable"—maybe then they’ll stop trying to manage things over in Lampedusa and Lesvos. 🤦

Look, if they don't have any land routes left, they'll find a way. They'll trudge, they'll swim, they'll swim across the Mississippi and the Una and even the Danube; they'll climb right over the Appalachian Mountains and the Sierra Nevada if they have to.

The fence in Canada only works because we haven't built one yet. A little wire mesh and two rows of barbed wire is absolutely nothing—it's child's play. It's something they can easily bypass right now by coming through the American side. That's why they aren't bothering with it.

I'm with you. Sitting here at my computer, I can already find three ways to get past the Canadian braid. If people who made it from Afghanistan can't do it—well, maybe they could, but there aren't garden tools there, just rocks and desert... but people survive and adapt. Don't forget, Afghanistan is the kind of place that breaks empires.

Genghis Khan could not hold onto Afghanistan. Neither will The United States

http://www.globalresearch.ca/afghani...o-to-die/15281
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#803 ·
Some folks over in Canada just dropped this night footage from a helicopter:
http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...roco-reko.html

They’re out here trying to blame the American side, claiming we intentionally sent people into the river or whatever, but if you actually watch the footage, you can see a small group just split off and headed the wrong way on their own. I guess it's easier to point fingers than to admit someone messed up.
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
125 messages
joined May 2013
#804 ·
Man, we don't even have to break a sweat.

These immigrants—they’re way more organized, way more driven, and they don't give a damn about the rules. They're aggressive as hell and ready to use whatever force it takes to get what they want.

They've totally figured out how to play the media, and honestly? They won that war a long time ago. They’ve got this loyal fifth column embedded right in the humanitarian groups and news outlets, while all these massive groups of immigrants are quietly gathering behind the front lines in camps across Germany.

Once their numbers hit a certain point, things are gonna blow up big time.
Gary Perez7 Gary Perez7 Member
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joined May 2017
#805 ·
lukarak said:Blah, blah, blah. It’s pretty obvious you don't live in the real world. Your obsession with razor wire alone tells me everything I need to know. Total Rambo vibes.

People who actually believe that massive nations can't effectively stop thousands of desperate individuals from crossing their borders unchecked are living in a complete fantasy land.

The reality is they aren't stopping them because they've been ordered not to—orders coming straight out of Germany.
Meanwhile, the media keeps pushing this narrative about thousands of Supermen who can just swim across fifty meters of a swollen river and hop over any fence in massive numbers.

If they used even moderate force—without using gunpowder—nobody would make it through. But the directive is to be "humanitarian" and just let everyone pass.
Yet, here you are, still believing in these thousands of Supermen walking right in.
Robert Moore10 Robert Moore10 Member
14 messages
joined Oct 2015
#806 ·
David Baker2 said:Precisely my point.
Kids shouldn't have to pay the price for anyone's mistakes.
And honestly, we should probably just make things easier for the Americans. ☕

So then how are adults supposed to be seen as the good guys? You can't just walk into a country just because you decided to...
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active Member
90 messages
joined Oct 2011
#807 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Oh, please! Go ahead and try explaining to the Italians or the Greeks that fifty yards of sweet water is "impassable"—maybe then they’ll stop trying to manage things over in Lampedusa and Lesvos. 🤦

Look, if they don't have any land routes left, they'll find a way. They'll trudge, they'll swim, they'll swim across the Mississippi and the Una and even the Danube; they'll climb right over the Appalachian Mountains and the Sierra Nevada if they have to.

The fence in Canada only works because we haven't built one yet. A little wire mesh and two rows of barbed wire is absolutely nothing—it's child's play. It's something they can easily bypass right now by coming through the American side. That's why they aren't bothering with it.

Why don't you try calling Obama, Netanyahu, or King Salman and explain to them how fences don't work? 🤦
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
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joined May 2014
#808 ·
Sophia Ramos5 said:I'm with you. Sitting here at my computer, I can already find three ways to get past the Canadian braid. If people who made it from Afghanistan can't do it—well, maybe they could, but there aren't garden tools there, just rocks and desert... but people survive and adapt. Don't forget, Afghanistan is the kind of place that breaks empires.

Genghis Khan could not hold onto Afghanistan. Neither will The United States

http://www.globalresearch.ca/afghani...o-to-die/15281

Man, you're dealing with a crowd that's clearly obsessed with movies—just look at the stylistic flourishes they use, stripping everything down to the bare bones. They're acting like children. Mentally, at least. For God's sake, they've never even seen a coil of wire. People are getting stretched out by damn work gloves! You could toss two guys over that little scrap of metal and walk right over it naked. Thank God the old man is around; we shared some with him.
Anthony Cook40 Anthony Cook40 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Oct 2015
#809 ·
Karen Doyle72 said:we're basically becoming America. *claps*
privatize healthcare, kill off the safety net, and just hijack the whole damn country. amen.

you work, you breathe. you stop working? bye-bye. *claps*

Honestly, even the USA isn't what it used to be. The system there has shifted too—you can see the cultural changes and the demographic shifts happening right in front of us.

The real priority should be stabilizing Greece and Turkey, but I really don't see that happening while they have leaders like the ones currently running the UK, France, and Germany.

And when it comes to those debates about fences and walls... well, there's one specific country everyone knows to look at for lessons on that. 😁
Chloe Martinez7 Chloe Martinez7 Active Member
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joined Jul 2017
#810 ·
Mark Harris66 said:It’s honestly shocking and makes zero sense to me too. Forcing a kid to swim across a river...
And yeah, it's pretty telling how these new organizations immediately start screaming about discrimination whenever some local "wannabe" celebrity gets kicked out of an apartment—blah blah blah—but they stay silent about the status of women in those countries. They say nothing about how women and children make up a smaller portion of the group and how much they're being exploited...

I'm not a parent, but even I don't get that part
well, there's another side to this
I honestly don't know what drives these people
given everything we've read

Thank God I didn't have to leave my apartment during the era of the Great Depression. To be perfectly honest, it's hard for me to truly empathize with people forced to abandon their homes, whatever the reason might be. Sure, I can wrap my head around the concept, but thinking about it and actually living through it are two very different things.

What is it that pushes these people to leave everything behind—even if they have some money with them, which seems like plenty to us—to head somewhere just because someone told them life would be better? It's as if nothing else exists to them.
What kind of mindset or emotion makes you drag your children through freezing water? And facing nothing but setbacks.
Then we read about the sick, the women giving birth on the road... I remember when they were stuck in that godforsaken gap between us and Canada, an American doctor volunteered his services. One child had to be rushed into Canada for emergency care, and word was the prognosis was grim—that they might lose both legs.
Charles Fox10 Charles Fox10 RegularOP
352 messages
joined Mar 2009
#811 ·
Department of Justice

October 2015: 10.22.2015.
.........................
9:35

Between midnight and 9 a.m., 1,277 migrants entered the US. There are currently 2,644 people at the temporary processing center near Opatovac. We’re still bracing for heavy pressure from the refugee wave coming through Mexico. Since this migration crisis began in the US, 217,538 migrants have crossed the border.
Kenneth Palmer7 Kenneth Palmer7 Member
20 messages
joined Oct 2015
#812 ·
A border wall will eventually have to go up—Germany isn't going to keep accepting migrants indefinitely.

Look at how walls work in Israel, Bulgaria, Canada, or even at Calais....

Maybe about 10% will manage to scramble over, but that 90%? They’ll give up. After a while, the surge just loses momentum—and those who did make it through can be deported back home.

Handing out sandwiches and providing bus or train rides only fuels the fire—it creates a visual incentive for people in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan who are already packing their bags.

The wall is coming; let's not be naive about it.

Even the top officials in Washington know this is inevitable.

There's talk about a barrier, but the actual construction won't happen until Germany shifts its stance. 👍

The President even reached out to Sweden and Germany to ask: "Should we start putting up the wire?"

Their answer was basically: "Not just yet."
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
72 messages
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#813 ·
Gary Perez7 said:People who actually believe that massive nations can't effectively stop thousands of desperate individuals from crossing their borders unchecked are living in a complete fantasy land.

The reality is they aren't stopping them because they've been ordered not to—orders coming straight out of Germany.
Meanwhile, the media keeps pushing this narrative about thousands of Supermen who can just swim across fifty meters of a swollen river and hop over any fence in massive numbers.

If they used even moderate force—without using gunpowder—nobody would make it through. But the directive is to be "humanitarian" and just let everyone pass.
Yet, here you are, still believing in these thousands of Supermen walking right in.

Oh, absolutely, you can certainly beat them back—some will give up, since the most peaceful ones usually do. The aggressive ones? They'll just push right through. Yay, what a victory for us.

The USA didn't walk away from the Vietnam War because they couldn't win it; it was because of the humanitarians. Same thing with Afghanistan. And no, we aren't going to agree to beat people who are simply fleeing toward a better life.

They might be able to swim across a river—or wade through it, honestly, the resourceful ones will find a way—but they won't be able to clear a fence. They might try to overcome it, but they won't clear it.
wanderingbadger77 wanderingbadger77 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#814 ·
Kenneth Palmer7 said:A border wall will eventually have to go up—Germany isn't going to keep accepting migrants indefinitely.

Look at how walls work in Israel, Bulgaria, Canada, or even at Calais....

Maybe about 10% will manage to scramble over, but that 90%? They’ll give up. After a while, the surge just loses momentum—and those who did make it through can be deported back home.

Handing out sandwiches and providing bus or train rides only fuels the fire—it creates a visual incentive for people in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan who are already packing their bags.

The wall is coming; let's not be naive about it.

Even the top officials in Washington know this is inevitable.

There's talk about a barrier, but the actual construction won't happen until Germany shifts its stance. 👍

The President even reached out to Sweden and Germany to ask: "Should we start putting up the wire?"

Their answer was basically: "Not just yet."

That’s exactly what I was thinking.😁
Gary Perez7 Gary Perez7 Member
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joined May 2017
#815 ·
gentlemoose57 said:Oh, absolutely, you can certainly beat them back—some will give up, since the most peaceful ones usually do. The aggressive ones? They'll just push right through. Yay, what a victory for us.

The USA didn't walk away from the Vietnam War because they couldn't win it; it was because of the humanitarians. Same thing with Afghanistan. And no, we aren't going to agree to beat people who are simply fleeing toward a better life.

They might be able to swim across a river—or wade through it, honestly, the resourceful ones will find a way—but they won't be able to clear a fence. They might try to overcome it, but they won't clear it.

There are 4 billion impoverished people from Africa and Asia just waiting their turn to seek a better life.
Not everyone is going to fit into Europe under Merkel's watch.
Everyone wishes there was an end to hunger and sickness, where everything is provided for and taken care of.

But those are fairy tales, not reality.

I'm not being inhumane; if anything, I want what's best for everyone.
Once Europe reaches capacity and can't take any more, the only option left will be to kill those who are flooding in. It's better to prevent that from happening now.
Maria James40 Maria James40 Active Member
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joined Jan 2015
#816 ·
Brenda Taylor13 said:🤦

The guy above me made a pretty good point—for the most part, the border with Canada is totally impassable. Do you honestly think migrants are going to climb 6,000 feet up the rugged terrain of the Appalachians in the wind and snow? Or are they going to swim across the Mississippi or the Una when half of them can barely stay afloat?
If you think this is some kind of piece of cake, go ahead and ask our soldiers how they fared trekking through the mountains during the winter of '94 during Operation Storm.

Bottom line: the border with Canada is a much smaller issue than everyone here is making it out to be. It seems like the easiest excuse for why we can't just put up a fence is "oh, but they'll just come through Canada." Well, newsflash: let's build the damn fence first, then we can figure out if they try to cross through the mountains and rivers in Canada or not.

Look, I gave you some examples, but you're just clutching your head and doubling down on your own logic. I laid out specific areas in Canada, so here they are again—feel free to tell me exactly which parts are supposedly "impassable":

Here’s a possible scenario:

- 2,000 people show up in San Francisco—tourism tanks—now where do we put them?
- A larger group follows the Neretva valley and reaches Metković.
- 3,000 people caught out in the Imotski Field; we'll need about 60 buses since there's no rail line.
- They break through the fence at Strmica.
- 2,000 from last night end up in Donji Lapac.
- 5,000 arriving from Velika Kladuša.
- Traffic gets blocked on the bridges over the Mississippi—business owners start protesting.

So, looking at those places, where exactly is the border considered impassable?

P.S. Just so we're clear, I've said this before—if Canada were an ocean, I’d be all for building a fence along the border with Mexico. But the way things are now, it doesn't make sense; if anything, it just creates more problems when they start coming in through Canada.
Sophia Ramos5 Sophia Ramos5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#817 ·
Jeffrey Watson13 said:I was actually thinking the exact same thing yesterday—how could we fix this whole mess in a single day? Just have every state scrap social welfare entirely. Not a cut, but a total wipeout 😬 what a coincidence

And taxes.
And interest rates.
Maybe migrants will abolish interest too. That seems to be their version of a logical lifestyle.
gentlemoose57 gentlemoose57 Active Member
72 messages
joined May 2014
#818 ·
Kenneth Palmer7 said:A border wall will eventually have to go up—Germany isn't going to keep accepting migrants indefinitely.

Look at how walls work in Israel, Bulgaria, Canada, or even at Calais....

Maybe about 10% will manage to scramble over, but that 90%? They’ll give up. After a while, the surge just loses momentum—and those who did make it through can be deported back home.

Handing out sandwiches and providing bus or train rides only fuels the fire—it creates a visual incentive for people in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan who are already packing their bags.

The wall is coming; let's not be naive about it.

Even the top officials in Washington know this is inevitable.

There's talk about a barrier, but the actual construction won't happen until Germany shifts its stance. 👍

The President even reached out to Sweden and Germany to ask: "Should we start putting up the wire?"

Their answer was basically: "Not just yet."

If they finally pull the trigger on that, they have to go all the way—I mean fencing off the entire eastern border of the country. I just can't imagine where they'll find enough personnel to man it; maybe Angela can send some help over. 🙂 For us, the real nightmare isn't what's happening right now, but rather the risk of migrants crossing through Canada to reach our coast.
Chloe Martinez7 Chloe Martinez7 Active Member
144 messages
joined Jul 2017
#819 ·
Maria James40 said:Look, I gave you some examples, but you're just clutching your head and doubling down on your own logic. I laid out specific areas in Canada, so here they are again—feel free to tell me exactly which parts are supposedly "impassable":

Here’s a possible scenario:

- 2,000 people show up in San Francisco—tourism tanks—now where do we put them?
- A larger group follows the Neretva valley and reaches Metković.
- 3,000 people caught out in the Imotski Field; we'll need about 60 buses since there's no rail line.
- They break through the fence at Strmica.
- 2,000 from last night end up in Donji Lapac.
- 5,000 arriving from Velika Kladuša.
- Traffic gets blocked on the bridges over the Mississippi—business owners start protesting.

So, looking at those places, where exactly is the border considered impassable?

P.S. Just so we're clear, I've said this before—if Canada were an ocean, I’d be all for building a fence along the border with Mexico. But the way things are now, it doesn't make sense; if anything, it just creates more problems when they start coming in through Canada.

You are clearly an anti-American element.☕

Weren't you the one who posted all those points on the forum about how they could slip through the US-Mexico border? And that was even before they arrived and when unknown redirected everyone toward us.
Maria James40 Maria James40 Active Member
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joined Jan 2015
#820 ·
Kenneth Palmer7 said:
signum Asks:

All this nonsense about traitorous governments and old nationalist grievances—it’s honestly just mindless noise. Does anyone actually believe that anyone in our current administration would want these Arabs wandering around Washington, D.C.? At the end of the day, kids from all sides—left, center, and right—all go to the same schools and live in the same America.

I caught some people on TV suggesting that migrants from places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria should be resettled in rural areas—think the Appalachians, certain islands off the coast, or even out in the Midwest.😁

I caught a radio segment the other day where one of those left-leaning analysts was completely out of line—just totally off base. 🤔 He claimed that the future of America lies in places like Opatovac—though, honestly, I think he’s looking at it all wrong. 😁

I guess any self-proclaimed "expert" can just spout whatever nonsense they want without facing any real consequences—it's not like anyone from The Government actually said anything like that.

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