Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Kenneth Palmer7 said:And what’s the plan for the wood? Build some makeshift ramp, buy a used Ferrari, and try to jump the fence? 😁

Good luck when things actually get busy. I guess you'll just put out a formal RFP and wait for five different contractors to bid before you can even find a drop of water.

David Baker2 said:I'm not disputing the point.
It just strikes me as incredibly foolish to draw comparisons between some drunk football fan—who, if caught on camera, might find himself scrubbing dishes in a diner by next month—and refugees who, upon arriving here or in Canada, have absolutely nothing left to lose and nowhere to go back to.

The guy at the soccer game actually has quite a lot to lose.

Interesting point—I keep hearing stories about how "supermen" from all over the world are constantly breaking through fences at the southern border or in Europe.🍿

At first, you catch 200 of them, arrest them, and deport them.

The next day, it's 80—arrested and deported.
After a week, it drops to 20—arrested and deported.

A month later, they'll simply give up.

With open borders, the wave just keeps getting bigger!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lm-Cyprus.html

migrants said they had paid smugglers $4,000(£2,585) each to make the journey in the 40ft wooden boats, but were abandoned

When did the US Federal Government actually arrange for that plane to fly in from Dubai to Indianapolis?
How on earth were we kept in the dark about all of this? About the whole plan to set up a hotspot right here in America? We really shouldn't have let that aid land on US soil...

And then you have Madeleine Albright bringing thirty-five foreign diplomats over to Omaha just to brag about how great everything is going for us.

BTW, migrants in Dubai aren't even allowed to make a sound.

Karen Doyle72 said:Honestly, the best move would be for the folks at the border to just shut the gates tight, then all these immigrants would realize they can't make it through this route to anywhere else.
But hey, look—I think I’ve actually cracked the code here:
just shut down Germany entirely.
Or better yet, scrap the whole welfare system.

Scrap social security and welfare? Yeah, exactly.

What a brilliant little scheme—use the influx of immigrants as an excuse to either kill off or just gut our entire social safety net. 😁

And we'll all just sit here cheering and praying to the powers that be to finally pull the plug on our benefits. Absolutely priceless. 🤣

See how it works? 😁
Once you cut the welfare, an immigrant will take any job at any price ;-)

What are you even talking about? What kind of hotspot?

In Opatovac, there are always like 2,000 to 4,000 people hanging around. And I guess over 200,000 have passed through the US in total. They show up at Opatovac, get themselves registered, grab a quick bite to eat, and then they're pretty much straight onto the trains heading toward Canada.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:Interesting point—I keep hearing stories about how "supermen" from all over the world are constantly breaking through fences at the southern border or in Europe.🍿

At first, you catch 200 of them, arrest them, and deport them.

The next day, it's 80—arrested and deported.
After a week, it drops to 20—arrested and deported.

A month later, they'll simply give up.

With open borders, the wave just keeps getting bigger!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lm-Cyprus.html

migrants said they had paid smugglers $4,000(£2,585) each to make the journey in the 40ft wooden boats, but were abandoned

Where on earth did you find Calais to bring up?
Here’s a photo. Just some kitchen shears from Walmart. 😁
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Channel.html

Yeah, because everyone just magically left those jungle camps...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ngle-camp.html

French police were being so useless that the British actually suggested sending troops to handle protection...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10449340.html

Kenneth Palmer7 said:Interesting point—I keep hearing stories about how "supermen" from all over the world are constantly breaking through fences at the southern border or in Europe.🍿

At first, you catch 200 of them, arrest them, and deport them.

The next day, it's 80—arrested and deported.
After a week, it drops to 20—arrested and deported.

A month later, they'll simply give up.

With open borders, the wave just keeps getting bigger!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lm-Cyprus.html

migrants said they had paid smugglers $4,000(£2,585) each to make the journey in the 40ft wooden boats, but were abandoned

Well, obviously they aren't hitting the Canadian border when they have a clear path through the US. I mean, if the US decided to put up a fence too, they’d probably be slamming against both sides just the same, I guess.

David Baker2 said:Just how much does consuming all that junk food and sugary garbage actually erode your intelligence and your ability to think with even a shred of common sense?

Why aren't there any crossings happening?

Is it perhaps because 20,000 refugees are currently standing right at the border near Texas and can't move an inch past the fence line?

Or is someone else entirely responsible for this, and should the people at the border be expected to feel nothing but gratitude toward someone else just because there isn't total chaos and bodies piling up on their doorstep?

For heaven's sake, please, just try using your brains for once and actually grasp the connection between cause and effect—try to understand the actual relationship between why things happen and what follows. ☕

Look, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Before the Canadian fence went up, migrants were moving through Canada. Now that it's finished, they aren't.

But you'd rather just philosophize, twist words, struggle, and throw insults. It's clearly the only thing you know how to do. 👍

Sophia Ramos5 said:Good luck when things actually get busy. I guess you'll just put out a formal RFP and wait for five different contractors to bid before you can even find a drop of water.

I can't tell if you're just trolling or if you're actually—as someone else here pointed out—naturally "dim."

Every single perimeter is heavily guarded (think National Guard, local police, and K9 units) and stands at least 8 feet tall.

Sure, you might manage to toss some boards over to hop a fence, but you'll be looking at two years in a high-security federal penitentiary.

In the States, crossing the border illegally is a serious federal offense.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:Do you honestly believe Mexico, Mexico, Albania, or Canada will just sit idly by while America builds a wall?!

It’ll trigger a domino effect—problem solved. Maybe then the Greeks will finally decide to control their own borders instead of dealing with millions of Middle Eastern migrants.

Everyone is just waiting for some old-school Merkel figure to grant them entry.😉

Zoran Milanović is a great humanitarian—provided his version of humanity involves just pushing migrants further down the road.

And wouldn't it be simpler to just put the wall on the North Mexican border? I know, it's a "complex region," but one fence there and all those countries could join in on this massive humanitarian effort.☕

Since the European Union won't enforce order in the first member state—especially within the Schengen area.

Benjamin Reyes52 said:It seems nobody wants to admit that they simply don't have the right to cross borders like this.

They don't.
But they do.
And everyone just lets them through.

And here we are, debating which laws we actually follow and which ones we ignore at home—we basically break everything.

darkotter35 said:🙏

Everyone thinks they're Navy SEALs now. You can't stop them from scaling a 6,000-foot peak or swimming like some kind of Mississippi-overcomer!
And don't even get me started on how they eat nails for breakfast....

I mean, aren't they all just tough guys? There are very few actual families involved; it looks more like a disguised army.
If we actually decided to identify who is coming through...

northerncyclist2 said:What are you even talking about? What kind of hotspot?

In Opatovac, there are always like 2,000 to 4,000 people hanging around. And I guess over 200,000 have passed through the US in total. They show up at Opatovac, get themselves registered, grab a quick bite to eat, and then they're pretty much straight onto the trains heading toward Canada.

Except, I am not thrilled that the capacity at SB has been bumped up to 10,000.

electricorca112 said:Look, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Before the Canadian fence went up, migrants were moving through Canada. Now that it's finished, they aren't.

But you'd rather just philosophize, twist words, struggle, and throw insults. It's clearly the only thing you know how to do. 👍

Exactly.
It’s the exact same old story we heard from Zoko and Rank.
Those migrants are going to end up eating literal scrap metal.
The Jews are calling.
The wire is pure evil, and there is absolutely no way we’re ever letting it happen...
Look, let’s get one thing straight: we aren't fascists. Period.
Unless we’re absolutely forced into a corner, I don't see us going that route. Because if we do, we aren't exactly looking like the good guys anymore—we won't be acting like fascists, the barbed wire won't be seen as a necessary evil, and we won't have the Jewish community calling us out on it. ☕

wiredbadger62 said:You certainly have a sharp mind, don't you?😵 Even if America were to shut its borders tight, Romania likely wouldn't follow suit, making the whole plan rather moot, I should think.🤔

I honestly couldn't care less whether Romania closes their borders or not. Let all those immigrants stay in Mexico, let them head back home, or let them be deported all the way to Kyrgyzstan—it's none of my business. I just don't want them coming here to our country.

Kenneth Palmer7 said:I can't tell if you're just trolling or if you're actually—as someone else here pointed out—naturally "dim."

Every single perimeter is heavily guarded (think National Guard, local police, and K9 units) and stands at least 8 feet tall.

Sure, you might manage to toss some boards over to hop a fence, but you'll be looking at two years in a high-security federal penitentiary.

In the States, crossing the border illegally is a serious federal offense.

Good thing you didn't include drones in that list.

You have to realize that border patrol has been geared up like crazy over the last few years. They’ve been prepping hard for full integration into the regional security systems, and they're already operating at that high level. Laušić points out that between all the donated tech and the gear we've bought ourselves—thermal imaging, advanced surveillance cameras, specialized vehicles, even helicopters—they have everything they need. The whole point of this equipment is simple: track illegal crossings and secure the border.

The local authorities just dropped a bombshell about the ongoing investigation into that massive fire out in the suburbs. They’re finally starting to peel back the layers on what actually went down during those hours of chaos. It’s the same old story, really. We see these incidents happen, everyone panics, and then we wait months for a report that usually tells us exactly what we already suspected. I remember back when my neighbor’s garage went up in flames over in Phoenix—the response was fast, but the paperwork took forever. It’s frustrating when you just want answers. The investigators are looking into whether it was pure negligence or if someone actually lit the match. Either way, the scale of the damage is gut-wrenching for the families involved. It’s a mess, plain and simple. Stay tuned, because this isn't going to be settled overnight.

How many people does it actually take to man a guard post? Some guys on the forums from across the border are trying to tell me that things aren't nearly as intense over there under the current administration, like they're somehow dodging the thorns. Give me a break.

Is it even a crime? Where would they even hold them all? And who’s going to foot the bill to feed them?

Why are you fighting over scraps instead of going after the big fish?
Look at that previous post. Look at how they’re entering the Lincoln Tunnel—just cutting everyone off and forcing their way in.

Have you ever actually seen that border fence in person? It’s a joke. You could practically cut it in half and watch the whole thing just unravel. Meanwhile, we’ve got local small business owners stuck on government assistance who are basically being treated like raw materials for this political stunt. Give me a break. The only real solution would have been building a massive wall—one where the construction companies were ordered to start manufacturing the components a full year in advance. If they had actually planned ahead like that, maybe we'd actually see some results.

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I can’t really do much with just a link to a photo, but if you're looking for a breakdown of what's happening in that image or want to discuss the context behind it, let me know. I'm ready when you are.

Sophia Ramos5 said:It's under high tension. If you try to cut it from six feet away, the whole thing just snaps back into a pile on itself because of the tension. How are you supposed to cut it from six feet out? Honestly, if I can figure out why that wouldn't work, surely someone staring directly at the obstacle would too.

It’s a shame not to acknowledge some truly modern thinking here—you cut the wire, and it just curls itself up effortlessly.🎉

David Baker2 said:Do you have even the slightest inkling of what the terrain is actually like over there?

Have you ever set foot on a peak like Mount McKinley in Alaska, right near the border, for instance?
Because I certainly have.

If they actually attempt to trek through those mountains... well, honestly, anyone who manages to survive that route deserves a free luxury apartment in Germany.
And that’s assuming they try it in the dead of winter.

Whether we put up a fence or the authorities do, even Rambo wouldn't be getting through that.
As far as the Appalachian Trail goes, the terrain isn't exactly a walk in the park. Either way, the whole point is to make things as difficult as possible for migrants once they leave the comfort of those refugee camps in Turkey. Like I said before, crossing flat plains is one thing, but trekking through the mountains is a completely different beast.

Just asking hypothetically here.

Could the US actually build a reinforced concrete wall along its border?

electricorca112 said:Look, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Before the Canadian fence went up, migrants were moving through Canada. Now that it's finished, they aren't.

But you'd rather just philosophize, twist words, struggle, and throw insults. It's clearly the only thing you know how to do. 👍

In that little fantasy world you've built for yourself, you're ignoring the fact that there's an entirely different route running right underneath Canada. Down here in the States, nobody's getting through. That fence simply isn't working.

Chloe Martinez7 said:And wouldn't it be simpler to just put the wall on the North Mexican border? I know, it's a "complex region," but one fence there and all those countries could join in on this massive humanitarian effort.☕

Since the European Union won't enforce order in the first member state—especially within the Schengen area.

They don't.
But they do.
And everyone just lets them through.

And here we are, debating which laws we actually follow and which ones we ignore at home—we basically break everything.

I mean, aren't they all just tough guys? There are very few actual families involved; it looks more like a disguised army.
If we actually decided to identify who is coming through...

Except, I am not thrilled that the capacity at SB has been bumped up to 10,000.

I mean, people just cycle through there in a day or two.

So, I guess it’s probably hard to call it a hotspot. Maybe it's more about necessity.

Lisa Patel4 said:Just asking hypothetically here.

Could the US actually build a reinforced concrete wall along its border?

I mean, probably not in just two weeks.

Gregory Hall66 said:

gentlemoose57 As I have previously observed:

If they find themselves with nowhere left to stand on this soil, they will simply forge ahead. They will trample over every obstacle, swim across the Mississippi, cross the Danube, trek through the heart of the Appalachians, and conquer both the Rockies and the highest peaks in between. Is there truly any boundary that can hold them back?

This situation demands a much more vigorous and comprehensive denial than what we have seen thus far. Is it not enough to simply ignore such baseless assertions? One would think that a formal, decisive rebuttal would be the only logical course of action to prevent further misinformation from taking root.
The rugged peaks of the Appalachian Mountains will be of little consequence to them if they intend to proceed in such a manner. They lack the constitution for mountain trekking, and they certainly possess no skill for swimming. How can one expect to hold back a force that lacks even the most basic survival instincts?
Should they fail to secure transportation through one of the various states they transit—assuming, of course, that no such jurisdiction has already seen fit to provide it—they simply rent a vehicle and proceed directly to the border. Is it not a remarkably straightforward, if somewhat wearying, solution to their predicament?

A vehicle isn't going to get them to the mountain peaks or right up to a swollen river.
Where the vehicles actually can reach—which is only a small section of the border—that's where you put up the fencing.
Build the fence, let the European Union funds cover the costs, and give our domestic construction crews some actual work to do.