Christian Anderson6 said:You think what we're doing now is terrifying, but somehow it's perfectly fine if they send them back to us and we just repeat the whole process in reverse.
Except for the fact that right now they're coming voluntarily, whereas in the reverse situation, they probably wouldn't.
I guess I have to ask: what kind of logic is that? Where is the consistency?
It sounds like you’re dealing with a mindset that’s just impossible to wrap your head around—honestly, it might not even be worth the effort to explain—but I’ll give it a shot anyway, if only for the sake of everyone else reading this thread.
Why exactly is what we're doing right now considered "terrifying"?
Look... first off—we are essentially smuggling people. We are letting them through illegally and without any oversight, so it’s perfectly logical to expect that we’re going to face consequences for those actions. If deporting migrants is the only consequence we have to deal with, then we actually came out ahead, provided we still maintain the ability to send them back to where they originated.
I really don't understand why people can't see that the fallout could be way worse than just sending migrants back. We are practically forcing these people onto Canada and the EU as if we aren't part of that same union ourselves. We’re basically doing favors for Mexico while sitting around waiting for some miracle solution from Turkey or Greece—countries that, by the way, couldn't care less about what happens to Europe.
Instead of putting up a fence like Orban did, or at least launching an initiative to demand real help with border security, our current approach is just going to leave us holding the bag. Canada will end up doing it for us, and eventually, the EU will secure its Schengen borders, leaving us stuck exactly where this current administration wants us: stuck in the North American mud, completely isolated without any real friends or allies.
You claim we're smuggling people. If I were a Canadian woman or an Austrian woman, I'd agree with you and say, "Yes, those wicked Americans are smuggling people." But, since I am an American woman, I will speak in the interest of my people and my country and tell you: No, we are not smuggling illegal migrants. We are assisting refugees and upholding the Geneva Conventions. And what can a foreigner say against that? Who has officially stated that these conventions should be suspended? Who has distinguished migrants from refugees? Germans will be the ones doing that once they arrive.
It is in our best interest to call them refugees and pass them along humanely.
Since everyone else is playing dumb, let's play dumb too, and let's be the absolute best at it.
Sending people back is almost impossible. It’s like trying to run up a downward escalator constantly. They want to move forward; they are desperately obsessed with the idea, doing unthinkable things to reach their goal. You can only stop them if someone starts using force. Fences alone won't work without force. Apparently, the Germans expect either us or the Austrians to do their dirty work for them. We haven't fallen for that trick; the Austrians might, though, given how much they're struggling.
Everyone breaks the rules, including us. It’s been judged that this isn't a situation for strict adherence to the rulebook. Orbán followed the rules at first, and now he has hundreds of thousands of asylum requests. Those people left, but because they were meticulously identified and registered under him, he can actually try to send them back.
Austria looks like they intend to do exactly what you're suggesting. We'll watch the situation unfold and see how everyone fares. Personally, I think we'll handle it better.
And one more thing—we aren't helping Mexico. It suits us to have control over the numbers and the way people enter. Right now, this deal with the Mexicans works for us. When it stops working, we'll handle it differently.
