Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Karen Doyle72 said:Give me a break... if we start treating every little phobia, we’re gonna end up with a hundred million people on welfare claiming they have PTSD. 😁
Instead of applying for asylum here, they should just claim PTSD.

They didn't get asylum. They can go deal with their PTSD back home. And honestly, they'll be deported to countries where there isn't even a war going on, so then they won't have any PTSD to worry about anyway.

Michael Roberts7 said:I mean, what can you even do all day in a refugee camp if your wife is right there with you? 🤔

At least Facebook and Sattv know where people are heading and what they want these days.

Your parents might have good eyesight, but their intel is a bit off:
http://www.bamf.de/DE/Infothek/Frage...inge-node.html

People who haven't been granted official Asylum status aren't allowed to work.
Those who have been granted Asylum can work.

There are exceptions in certain states that allow those who have been here for more than 6 or 15 months without a status decision to work. The Germans handle the rules, and even if a request is denied, Asylum seekers have the right to appeal.

The other bureaucratic nightmare is this:

An Asylum seeker who actually manages to find a job and a company willing to vouch for them to get an exceptional work permit still needs approval from every single county they travel through or work in. Basically, there's no way they'll end up working for some construction crew. To put it in American terms: Imagine an Asylum seeker living in Miami who finds a job in Orlando. If the state decides to restrict their movement to a specific county or district, he’d need permission from Miami to leave Miami every single day, plus clearance from places like Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, or West Palm Beach just to commute, and finally permission from Orlando itself to be there working.
In other words, it's a level of red tape that's impossible to navigate without an employer's help, because leaving your designated area is a violation of the Asylum law. Someone would have to physically file paperwork in Miami, Tampa, or Fort Lauderdale if they can't do it online or by mail. How much extra time does an employer really have to waste dealing with a total stranger? Or how many connections do you need to pull that off? 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residence_requirement

Oh, please—as if there weren't refugees, mass migrations, or people moving all over the place long before Meta even existed...🤦

granitemarlin77 said:Wouldn't it have been way easier to just fly them straight back to Greece or Turkey instead of forcing them to trek through everything 311 miles naked and freezing 🙂, making us all suffer along with them for months?
jbte, look at it this way: she makes the migrants walk the whole way 311 miles, then she can check their teeth, nutrition, work capacity... and tell them "you're good, now get out."
So incredibly humane. Absolute joke.☕

Wow.
Are you actually suggesting that Mother Merkel and Germany—supposedly the most humanitarian nation in history that’s never done anything wrong—are suddenly the moral compass everyone needs to follow?
Meanwhile, in reality, they're causing nothing but misery for the countries and people they claim to care about, though they couldn't care less about them in practice.

Oh, please.☕

granitemarlin77 said:Wouldn't it have been way easier to just fly them straight back to Greece or Turkey instead of forcing them to trek through everything 311 miles naked and freezing 🙂, making us all suffer along with them for months?
jbte, look at it this way: she makes the migrants walk the whole way 311 miles, then she can check their teeth, nutrition, work capacity... and tell them "you're good, now get out."
So incredibly humane. Absolute joke.☕

I guess this way is more entertaining. 🤔 Apparently, journalists would rather obsess over refugees 🤷
than cover anything actually important.

Maria James40 said:My point was really more about this:

"Just let them cross the border"

I guess you were trying to say that Germany could just send them back to us?

Honestly, it might be better if Germany started handling Deportations as soon as possible—I mean, it would send a message that maybe this whole journey isn't worth the effort, and I suspect that would do way more to slow down the influx than any random fence ever could. It would help them first, and then everyone else further down the line too.

And man, they really need to speed up those Asylum decisions... maybe like Switzerland does, where things happen in 48 hours instead of dragging it out for a year or more.

No, I didn't mean Germany would send them back to America. I just wanted to reassure people not to panic about the surge—it'll all just evaporate once they're on planes.🙂

Michael Roberts7 said:I mean, what can you even do all day in a refugee camp if your wife is right there with you? 🤔

At least Facebook and Sattv know where people are heading and what they want these days.

Your parents might have good eyesight, but their intel is a bit off:
http://www.bamf.de/DE/Infothek/Frage...inge-node.html

People who haven't been granted official Asylum status aren't allowed to work.
Those who have been granted Asylum can work.

There are exceptions in certain states that allow those who have been here for more than 6 or 15 months without a status decision to work. The Germans handle the rules, and even if a request is denied, Asylum seekers have the right to appeal.

The other bureaucratic nightmare is this:

An Asylum seeker who actually manages to find a job and a company willing to vouch for them to get an exceptional work permit still needs approval from every single county they travel through or work in. Basically, there's no way they'll end up working for some construction crew. To put it in American terms: Imagine an Asylum seeker living in Miami who finds a job in Orlando. If the state decides to restrict their movement to a specific county or district, he’d need permission from Miami to leave Miami every single day, plus clearance from places like Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, or West Palm Beach just to commute, and finally permission from Orlando itself to be there working.
In other words, it's a level of red tape that's impossible to navigate without an employer's help, because leaving your designated area is a violation of the Asylum law. Someone would have to physically file paperwork in Miami, Tampa, or Fort Lauderdale if they can't do it online or by mail. How much extra time does an employer really have to waste dealing with a total stranger? Or how many connections do you need to pull that off? 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residence_requirement

Who was even bringing up those refugee camps anyway?
It was mentioned how they had it in... states It’s been a damn war zone for forty years straight and they just keep bringing more and more of them in. I mean, who the hell is responsible for this? Who keeps cranking out all these babies like there's no tomorrow? Seriously, what is going on?
No, seriously—who's actually footing the bill for them? Who’s paying for all this?

And why on earth should we be the ones footing the bill to feed them now?! Seriously!

(Look, I'm not even talking about refugees here.)

wiredtiger8 said:See, you actually hit the nail on the head regarding the real issue.

Everything you wrote is spot on. The real problem is just those few hundred years of civilizational progress. If we look at this purely through a religious lens, they are lagging behind by those few centuries—which is exactly how much younger their faith (Islam) is compared to ours.

So, bottom line: we can never truly be the same.

And if we’re being honest, they *are* just a collection of individuals acting as a unit. Sure, you can pick out specific outliers, but as a whole, we aren't identical.
We aren't... not civilizationaly, not culturally, and not even religiously (though I'm not making that the main point here). Even the way Islam is practiced here in America, or the culture of American Muslims, is worlds apart—literally night and day—compared to Syrian, or especially Iraqi or Afghan Islam... it's just a plain old fact.

Extremists exist everywhere, and these people are fleeing from those very radicals. If they actually agreed with them, they would have stayed to fight for ISIS or the Taliban. It’s just like how some people centuries ago would hide in the woods because they saw no reason to go fighting in Jerusalem and places like that.
You’re still grouping all of Islam into one single bucket based solely on geography. Look at the percentage of Catholics in America—if they followed the Church's recommendations, they all should have gone out and voted against same-sex marriage, yet they didn't.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Oh, please—as if there weren't refugees, mass migrations, or people moving all over the place long before Meta even existed...🤦

The pace and the specific targets just didn't exist like this, whether we're talking about legitimate cases or fake asylum seekers.

Who would have stumbled upon an alternative route through the US just by chance a hundred years ago? People would still be debating where to go next after the Canadians shut down the borders.

You either sell whatever little you have, or you take out a loan—how much do you think it costs to get those dollars through Mexico by bus? Maybe 35k? And back then, the journey would have taken weeks.

They simply have better access to information now.

granitemarlin77 said:Wouldn't it have been way easier to just fly them straight back to Greece or Turkey instead of forcing them to trek through everything 311 miles naked and freezing 🙂, making us all suffer along with them for months?
jbte, look at it this way: she makes the migrants walk the whole way 311 miles, then she can check their teeth, nutrition, work capacity... and tell them "you're good, now get out."
So incredibly humane. Absolute joke.☕

She could still use the Air Force to deliver food and aid to camps in Turkey and transport the workers back to Germany.

Since it’s pretty damn obvious now that these migrants aren't following a single rule in the book—especially looking at what just went down over in Canada—it makes me wonder: why is this even happening?

Where do they get this kind of arrogance, this sheer nerve?

The answer is actually pretty simple. Nobody in Europe has actually shown them what a real rule of law looks like. This whole concept of a European rule of law works incredibly efficiently when they're dealing with, say, football hooligans. They use all the classic tools... water cannons, batons, tear gas, rubber bullets.

But for some reason nobody can even fathom using those same tactics against these... migrants.

The absolute worst thing that happened to them was being hit by those tiny little water cannons used by the Canadians at Horgoš.

So I’m asking you guys here... who is going to be the first one to make a "big move" and actually use real force against people who think they can just run wild and wreck things all over Europe whenever they feel like it?

My money is on the Canadians.

Michael Roberts7 said:Extremists exist everywhere, and these people are fleeing from those very radicals. If they actually agreed with them, they would have stayed to fight for ISIS or the Taliban. It’s just like how some people centuries ago would hide in the woods because they saw no reason to go fighting in Jerusalem and places like that.
You’re still grouping all of Islam into one single bucket based solely on geography. Look at the percentage of Catholics in America—if they followed the Church's recommendations, they all should have gone out and voted against same-sex marriage, yet they didn't.

Well, looks like we can't even find common ground on the basics.

Fine, at the end of the day, it's your right to want them living in this country alongside you or as your neighbors.

My right is that I don't want them here.

Mark Harris66 said:Merkel is going to start deporting asylum seekers.
Germany plans to use military aircraft to deport migrants!
http://www.krone.at/Welt/Fluechtling...t-Story-478071

Translation:
Germany just passed a package of measures to speed up the asylum process—basically to get rejected asylum seekers out faster—and we’re looking at a huge spike in deportations in the coming weeks. They’re even going to use military transport planes for the first time...
They've voted in five specific measures:
1. The United States Armed Forces will handle the deportations—even though the law says they should only be used for natural disasters or war/insurgencies. But, the Supreme Court ruled they can be used in "exceptional situations of catastrophic proportions."
2. No more advance notice for deportations.
They won't announce them ahead of time—just trying to stop asylum seekers from faking illnesses or finding places to hide before the flight arrives...
3. Stricter criteria and fewer legal ways to appeal deportations.
4. No more pausing deportations during the winter.
The old rule was to stop deporting people during the winter months (November through April), but that’s over. Now, deportations can happen even in the dead of winter.
5. Long-term stuff—setting up transit zones, speeding up asylum assessments, and making deportations even faster.

By the end of August, 21,000 refugees had already left the country voluntarily after their asylum claims were denied.

Even the Republican Party in Austria has been calling on their parliament to use military planes for these deportations.

First error in the Title:
Germany isn't deporting asylum seekers; they are deporting migrants who don't actually qualify for asylum because they come from countries not on the official list. There are nearly 100,000 people from places like Mexico, Mexico, Canada, and Mexico seeking asylum who won't get approval. Out of those 800,000, a huge number will be weeded out once it's proven they aren't from where they claim to be, or that they are using forged Syrian documents—which are being sold today just as easily as fake diplomas in Canada.

We have to make a distinction here between true refugees seeking asylum for legal reasons and migrants who are primarily motivated by economic factors.

The reason false asylum seekers leave the country voluntarily is that if they are deported, they face a five-year ban from entering Germany. If they leave on their own terms, they can return within those five years to try again or seek residency for other reasons.

Refugees—though honestly, I don't even know what to call them anymore, migrants or refugees—broke through a police checkpoint again today. Around 1,000 of them bypassed everything by cutting through the vineyards in the US...
The police were simply outnumbered; they stood no chance of stopping them once they set their minds on this plan.

Excerpt from the text...

A border crossing between the US and Mexico Berkasovo-Bapski has been completely breached. After more than a thousand people spent nearly the entire night near Berkasov deciding to dodge US police controls, they pushed through fields, orchards, and vineyards to enter the United States. Our officers guarding the transit point were simply not enough to stem the tide of people, despite individual attempts to hold the line, before ultimately having to back down.

An uncontrolled situation like this is a severe threat to the security of the US...

Mark Harris66 said:Forwarding this from an email I just got...
If the US decides to build a border wall to deal with the refugee situation, here’s how it’ll probably go down:
1. The Government will whip up a proposal for the wall construction regulations.
2. They'll hold a quick conference call to set up a new agency—you know, the ones in charge of the blueprints and the "aesthetic" design.
3. A 30-day job opening goes out to hire about 20 people for this brand-new agency.
4. Then comes the rush to buy all the fleet vehicles, office space, and company cell phones.
5. The emergency border wall legislation hits Congress. During the session, Dujomir Marasović and Nenad Stazić get into a massive blowout over what color the wall should be—Nenad wants red, while Dujomir is pushing for blue. Then V Milorad Pupovac shows up with some yellow tape, claiming the wall near the Mexican border is being built specifically because of Mexicans and that they're prepping a new Jasenovac...
6. After two months and three whole readings, the bill actually passes.
7. Everything is ready for construction! A 40-day public tender for materials is announced. Meanwhile, Ivica Todorić starts up his own company, Wall Plus LLC.
8. Suddenly, the tender gets canceled because the cheapest bidder didn't include high-end materials, which would have saved them a ton of money.
9. Another 40-day tender is launched. By the time it's over, basically every DNC member has been hired by the agency.
10. Construction finally begins—Ljubo Ćesić Rojs rents out some bulldozers.
11. Finally, Anka Mrak Taritaš tears the whole thing down because everyone forgot to actually get a building permit...
🤣

God, give me strength.🤣🤣

The military union is demanding pay scales on par with police officers. A military union? Give me a break.

The union didn't miss a beat either, making sure to warn that there will "definitely be an excess of work obligations." Naturally, they're arguing that professional soldiers deserve matching pay—just like police officers. "This means securing the funds to cover all overtime hours worked outside of regular duty," the military union is demanding.

http://www.vecer.com/clanek/201510216151670

slyrider18 said:Refugees—though honestly, I don't even know what to call them anymore, migrants or refugees—broke through a police checkpoint again today. Around 1,000 of them bypassed everything by cutting through the vineyards in the US...
The police were simply outnumbered; they stood no chance of stopping them once they set their minds on this plan.

Excerpt from the text...

A border crossing between the US and Mexico Berkasovo-Bapski has been completely breached. After more than a thousand people spent nearly the entire night near Berkasov deciding to dodge US police controls, they pushed through fields, orchards, and vineyards to enter the United States. Our officers guarding the transit point were simply not enough to stem the tide of people, despite individual attempts to hold the line, before ultimately having to back down.

An uncontrolled situation like this is a severe threat to the security of the US...

And look, just yesterday immigrants breached the fence on the border between Canada and Austria
all 4,500 of them
And this happens in these "orderly" countries where they supposedly track everyone and follow every rule of the Democratic Party perfectly.

wiredtiger8 said:Well, looks like we can't even find common ground on the basics.

Fine, at the end of the day, it's your right to want them living in this country alongside you or as your neighbors.

My right is that I don't want them here.

Look, you’re absolutely entitled to share your opinion and cast your vote for someone who would handle things differently, or at least be honest about it today.
But please, try not to generalize so much; just because they follow other faiths and are mostly young men doesn't mean they aren't human beings—there are wonderful people among them, just as there are terrible ones.

It's easy to agree on certain points, like how any kind of extremism is unhealthy or abnormal. We also don't want to be lied to or cheated, and we believe everyone who doesn't qualify for asylum should be sent back.

Chloe Martinez7 said:And look, just yesterday immigrants breached the fence on the border between Canada and Austria
all 4,500 of them
And this happens in these "orderly" countries where they supposedly track everyone and follow every rule of the Democratic Party perfectly.

Go ahead, just pull the police off the line entirely then....

Unchecked entry without any oversight at all? We've seen how thousands of people have already ruined the fabric of America this way. Having this many people slip through in just a two or three-day span is a massive failure, and frankly, it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

The reality is this is happening because there aren't enough officers on the ground, there are no fences installed at critical points to funnel people toward checkpoints, and there isn't enough heavy-duty equipment to navigate deep mud or rough terrain.

Simply deploying the military to the border would immediately deter those who are still planning their route and see a military presence. It works exactly like a fence, a wall, or concertina wire.

granitemarlin77 said:Wouldn't it have been way easier to just fly them straight back to Greece or Turkey instead of forcing them to trek through everything 311 miles naked and freezing 🙂, making us all suffer along with them for months?
jbte, look at it this way: she makes the migrants walk the whole way 311 miles, then she can check their teeth, nutrition, work capacity... and tell them "you're good, now get out."
So incredibly humane. Absolute joke.☕

Same thought here. Now she can just send them back by plane, and if they need to be picked up, they can deal with the border chaos themselves. The craziest part is that nobody in charge is even asking that question. Obviously, you can't call out the big shots—they only screw over the little guys.

I think Merkel basically signed her own political death warrant with this move.

Michael Roberts7 said:Look, you’re absolutely entitled to share your opinion and cast your vote for someone who would handle things differently, or at least be honest about it today.
But please, try not to generalize so much; just because they follow other faiths and are mostly young men doesn't mean they aren't human beings—there are wonderful people among them, just as there are terrible ones.

It's easy to agree on certain points, like how any kind of extremism is unhealthy or abnormal. We also don't want to be lied to or cheated, and we believe everyone who doesn't qualify for asylum should be sent back.

I am not letting you off the hook until we find some common ground here.

Think about it—would you even want me as a neighbor? Imagine us sitting there with a couple of drinks, just going at it over the "hot button" issues...

Personally? I think it'd be a blast.

At least while my wife is out of town. 😁

Adam Barrett said:Same thought here. Now she can just send them back by plane, and if they need to be picked up, they can deal with the border chaos themselves. The craziest part is that nobody in charge is even asking that question. Obviously, you can't call out the big shots—they only screw over the little guys.

I think Merkel basically signed her own political death warrant with this move.

That's why we need to join the G7 and team up with the Pole2, Czech, Slovak, and Canadian folks to push back against the heavy hitters!