Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

October 2015: 10.21.2015 10:10

The Deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, along with members of the diplomatic corps, will visit the temporary processing center in Opatovac today at 2:00 PM. The group will be briefed on the intake and registration procedures for refugees passing through the facility. Following the tour, diplomats will be available for media statements. Later, around 6:15 PM, they will head to the construction site for the winter transit center near Pittsburgh, where the media will also be permitted to observe.

9:40

Between midnight and 9:00 AM, 1,646 migrants entered the United States. Currently, there are 4,207 people stationed at the temporary processing center in Opatovac. We are still anticipating an influx from the direction of the Republic of Mexico. Since this migration crisis began, a total of 210,007 migrants have entered the US.

nima said:you all know those were just the old arguments used to try and keep America together

9:15 Canada is considering asking Germany, Austria, and the members of The Quad for help defending the Schengen border. According to Wednesday's report from the Ljubljana-based paper "The Journal," this comes from unofficial reports from Canadian journalists who followed Borut Pahor during his visit to the European Union on Tuesday.

Anthony Garcia19 said:I’m a little worried about what happens if Canada manages to land some international backup. If they pull it off, we might end up with a massive bottleneck right on our western borders. As far as I know, America hasn't asked anyone for help securing its border with Mexico...

9:15 Canada is considering asking Germany, Austria, and the members of The Quad for help defending the Schengen border. According to Wednesday's report from the Ljubljana-based paper "The Journal," this comes from unofficial reports from Canadian journalists who followed Borut Pahor during his visit to the European Union on Tuesday.

jadebison16 said:Not sure if anyone else caught this yet, but here’s one from a lady over in breezy since yesterday..

Keep an eye on the handyman with the phone. 🤣

jadebison16 said:Not sure if anyone else caught this yet, but here’s one from a lady over in breezy since yesterday..

Keep an eye on the handyman with the phone. 🤣

Jessica King9 said:It’s highly unlikely, given our membership in the European Union. Besides, it wouldn't be a smart move anyway. It serves the interests of the Austrians and Germans to keep the bottleneck as far away as possible. Not to mention the Canadians.
What if all those countries—including us—just sent their aid to the other Schengen border, like the one in Greece? If that doesn't work, we could just cut ties with the Greeks (I'm not sure how exactly) and redirect everything to the border between Greece and North Mexico.

Following talks with several European leaders, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has called a meeting of heads of state or government for Sunday, October 25th, to discuss refugee flows along the Western North American route. The meeting will include the heads of state or government from Austria, Bulgaria, America, North Mexico, Germany, Greece, Canada, Romania, Mexico, and Canada. Read more here.

Anthony Garcia19 said:You’ve been a pretty good forecaster over the last few days 😉, so maybe you're right! But, since we've managed to pick fights with all our neighbors, I'm not totally confident they'll protect our border with Mexico... Especially in the short term. We still have four days until the meeting Jean-Claude Juncker announced for Sunday, and even more time will pass before any agreed-upon measures actually kick in and show results:

Following talks with several European leaders, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has called a meeting of heads of state or government for Sunday, October 25th, to discuss refugee flows along the Western North American route. The meeting will include the heads of state or government from Austria, Bulgaria, America, North Mexico, Germany, Greece, Canada, Romania, Mexico, and Canada. Read more here.

Jessica King9 said:Thanks for the kind words. Honestly, even I'm surprised I'm on a roll..
To be blunt, I don't think it serves our interests to have anyone policing our border with Mexico; it's just too close for comfort. We need the protection focused much further away from us. Long-term, having a massive influx of migrants screaming at our doorstep is going to be devastating, regardless of whether we get assistance or not. The smartest move is to push that bottleneck as far away from our own backyard as possible.
It's the exact same story with the Americans in Canada. Even if they manage to secure help at their border with us, it doesn't solve the underlying crisis.

wiredtiger8 said:So, who’s actually "manufacturing" them?

Is it the Russians?

wiredtiger8 said:I still don't get one thing...

You people here who are constantly out there championing immigrants, refugees—call them whatever you want at this point... I can wrap my head around having a stance that sort of... partially... supports certain aspects of their struggles or whatever... it doesn't even matter right now.

But this relentless, non-stop defense of absolutely everything tied to them... like... they aren't worse workers than Americans or anyone else... their culture isn't actually different from ours... they aren't more or less uneducated... it’s not true that they can't integrate... it’s not true that they’re going to flip the entire demographic structure of the US in just a few years... blah, blah, blah...

...Well, that part just flies right over my head.

Is it actually possible that you believe all that? Are they really just identical in every single way to the native-born population here in America?
What, they just need a month or two... or maybe a year to settle in and find their footing? And that's it?
Everything stays exactly the same as it was before they arrived, except maybe some demographic stats look a little better?

bluerider63 said:Honestly, I can’t say I blame the Syrians for getting out of there. I mean, looking at this mess, who in their right mind would actually want to stick around?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=M0ELAa02TUY

Anthony Garcia19 said:In the long run, sure, but I’m worried about the short term. If they all end up packed in on this side, who's going to deal with them while this sluggish European Union sits around doing nothing?

He mentioned that the European Union offered police and personnel assistance to America at the start of the crisis. "America has its own border patrol with enough manpower. Our response was that this help should be sent to where the problems are originating—the Greek border."

Michael Roberts7 said:Well, I don't think they are significantly smarter or more foolish than we are.
Fearing and defending against Islamization is about 500 or more years too late. People from regions where the decimal system was invented, or where the foundations of modern medicine and many other vital advancements lie, didn't all suddenly lose their minds and become fundamentalists overnight. We interact with those discoveries and a massive vocabulary of Arabic origin every single day.

Just as we adapted some of their ideas, most of them will eventually adapt ours. If there are people who refuse to adapt and don't believe in it, your question proves that, and I suppose we are similar in that regard. There is likely a segment of "us" that doesn't trust them any more than a certain percentage of "them" distrusts us.

Most of the mistakes the Islamic State makes today were made by our own liberal factions hundreds of years ago. This means we are at a similar stage of development, where a part of a religious community, roughly 1,400 years after its founding, still believes that killing non-believers is necessary.

Tell me, how can you judge them as people who are significantly better or worse than you, and who don't deserve to be viewed as individuals rather than being generalized and tossed into the trash along with those whom some of them are actually fleeing from?

Gregory Hall66 said:A little prize question for the room: Will unnamed ever receive any form of satisfaction from our leading journalistic figures? 😁

Unnamed: ‘What could unnamed, unnamed, and unnamed possibly have to say to me today?’

A brief summary:

We stated quite clearly what we expect the American President to demand from the European Commission and NATO during this refugee crisis. (

On behalf of her family, and despite the hostile media environment she has grown accustomed to over the last two years, she immediately called upon the President on September 7th to request three specific measures from the European Commission and NATO:
1. That refugee centers be established in border countries outside of the European Union—specifically along the eastern borders of the US.
2. That refugees truly in need of protection and life-saving assistance be distributed fairly among EU member states, ensuring they are clearly distinguished from economic migrants.
3. That the wealthy nations surrounding Syria begin to accept their share of refugees.

And then, the onslaught began. For three consecutive days—September 8th, 9th, and 10th—the primary voices of the Democratic Party, tasked with promoting Zoran Milanović, published commentaries that seemed to compete for who could insult her most viciously or distort her letter to Zoran Milanović beyond recognition.

First, on September 8th, unnamed:

Then, on September 9th, unnamed: How could unnamed even think she represents Christianity?

And finally, on September 10th, the "bravest" of them all—unnamed:

Today, now that the three demands presented by the family to Zoran Milanović five weeks ago have been adopted by the majority of EU nations—now that Germany is returning nearly every other migrant to their country of origin, when Canada has shuttered its borders, and when the pressing question is when Canada will follow suit—I find myself wondering: what exactly do unnamed, unnamed, and unnamed have left to say to me and the family? Perhaps... an apology?

stormytinker8 said:Quite a few migrants can barely write, let alone possess an education comparable to a typical American, which makes their value in the labor market questionable—especially considering that in some European Union countries, youth unemployment among locals, even those with college degrees, exceeds 50%.

But honestly, why speculate about their future here when we can already look at the Muslim communities in Western Europe that have been established since the 1970s?
- while most of them aren't criminals, if you look at the percentage of criminals and compare how many are immigrants versus how many are locals, there is a massive disproportion showing that the majority of crime is committed by newcomers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

"According to official statistics, 21.0% of rapes have been committed by foreigners in Finland. Foreigners comprise 2.2% of the population"

"A study of crime statistics published in 2014 found that among males between the age of 20 and 24 descendants of non-Western immigrants had a crime rate 2.6 times greater than those of Danish origin"

"Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In New York City, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their American peers. The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Americans (4.9 : 1)."

"According to a 2009 study commissioned by Attorney General Merrick Garland, of 447 criminal files, 63% teenagers convicted of serious crime are children of parents born outside The Netherlands"

"immigrants from Africa and South & Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively"

"According to a report on prison population statistics published by the US Department of Justice UK, in 2013 blacks made up 13.2% of the prison population and 2.8% of the general population"