Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Christian Anderson6 said:Here is what I’m actually hoping for:

I hope Joe Biden can get that border fence up within two weeks like he promised,
that they actually start construction as early as tomorrow,
and that they deploy the military to the border to back it up.

Otherwise, we are completely screwed.

I have a feeling he’s just trying to stall for another two weeks until the election, and then... well, good luck.

He'll just pass the buck to whoever comes next and play the critic from the opposition benches.

Christian Anderson6 said:That was a year ago. ☕
Seriously, try living in the present for once and look at how this ego-driven guy, Zoki, is digging us into a deeper and deeper hole. At this rate, he’ll probably end up accusing us of trying to dismantle the European Union just because we're complaining about his mess. ☕

It happened a year ago... and honestly, nothing has changed. We’ve got a President whose spouse is basically on unpaid leave while they hold office in America.

So, yeah—the Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces is effectively on an unpaid sabbatical at NATO.

I actually think that’s worth noting. Especially since Turkey is in NATO, and those border skirmishes near the Turkish-Syrian line seem to be getting more frequent. If things ever kick off between Turkey (a NATO member) and Russia (or Syria), the US finds itself on Turkey's side.

Suddenly, our "defenders of the homeland" are stationed in Turkey.

And then you’ve got these military reserves being called up to head to Turkey... under the command of someone who is currently on unpaid leave at NATO.

On Sunday, the Democratic Party demanded that the Department of Defense immediately explain why citizens in California have started receiving reserve call-up notices lately, according to a statement from the party's general secretary, John Doe.

Let me make this simple for you:

You grab a rifle and head to Turkey to fight Russians. And your commanding officer? They're busy on vacation at NATO.

🤔

Though, I wonder... would they even bother calling them back from vacation if NATO actually went to war?

Great. So we're being commanded by someone who is technically an employee of NATO. 🤣 🤣

Dennis Hall41 said:Obvious. All five.

Ali Hvalanariba was talking about an open conflict breaking out right on our borders within the next 5 or 6 months—and he thinks both NATO and the EU are just going to sit there and watch. Since I actually agree with him that we need to make friends with the Russians ASAP, especially seeing how much they're intervening, I don't think we're totally stuck.

What you're describing sounds more like terrorism to me than actual war.

I certainly hope it doesn't come to that, but I fear it might.
And I truly believe we have to be prepared, even while we’re simultaneously praying to God that it never happens.

To be honest, I am worried about Canada for two distinct reasons. First off, the place is a total powder keg all on its own, and frankly, none of us know how many ISIL cells are operating inside right now.
On top of that, the recent developments over in Mexico make me suspect that Mexico is sliding back into its old habit of mythomania, and given who is currently sitting at the helm of their government, I have my doubts about their true intentions.
So, Canada could essentially explode from two different directions due to these two competing spheres of interest.

In either scenario, we are going to have to protect ourselves and fight back.

I can't say for certain whether things will escalate into full-blown war on our borders.
But I am terrified of it because everything happening right now provides these ominous little hints that such a thing is possible.
My goal is for us to be ready for that absolute worst-case scenario if it hits, while at the exact same time fighting tooth and nail with every resource we have to ensure it never reaches that point.

Essentially, it would be incredibly wise to run two parallel tracks: prepare for the disaster on one track, while using every single tool and method available on the other to prevent that disaster from ever occurring.

The entire point of what I am saying is this: it is simply not smart to bury our heads in the sand.
We need to face the reality of the threats looming over us and have solid contingency plans ready for every "what if" that might pop up.

And look, there’s no sense in panicking; panic is completely useless.
You take the facts, you run your cost/benefit analyses, and you map out a "what if" for every potential scenario.
That way, we can remain calm because, no matter when or where, we will know exactly what needs to be done and how to defend ourselves.

Ideally, Vučić and Nikolić would be sane individuals that we could actually reach an agreement or a deal with. But unfortunately, they aren't. We just have to accept that's the reality of the situation, turn inward, and trust in our own strength.

Now, it's not like we have to go out and love the Russians, but it would be a very smart move to repair the relationships we've damaged over the last two years because of NATO. In times like these, any friend you can find is a good one. Every ally counts.
It's not about kissing anyone's ass, but we absolutely must turn around and see who is actually willing and able to help us.
And that is where we need to build our foundation.

So, if I've got this all wrong, believe me, no one would be happier about it than I am. 🤷

Dennis Alvarez10 said:Don't go attacking the extremists. They might just end up being the potential coalition partners we need.

Oh, don't be silly, dear; your Zoki has already dealt with them.
And I really wouldn't drag that into this particular discussion.

Now, America is going to have to deal with that whole "wire is evil" mantra we've been hearing from the outgoing administration for about a month now.

I suppose it wasn't entirely unexpected, was it?

Don't sign off on anything or accept whatever Milanović is pushing—seriously, history is gonna remember you as the guy who wrecked the US if you do. Ask for more time to consult—get everyone from the old session together, all the parties involved, and try to actually build some consensus or find decent ideas... honestly, the election campaign is way less important right now than the actual country... do what you gotta do, even if it's behind the scenes—postpone the elections if necessary because the state matters way more than some political parties or Parliament right now... but hey, ask for support to start building that wall.... expand police powers and for God's sake, start shutting down those open borders....
He needs to sit down with Kolinda and all the agencies to figure out where we're headed with this refugee situation—it's a bigger deal than the elections or Congress, and it feels like everything is being rigged to destroy America just to satisfy Juncker and the EU

ABC News reported that some contagious illnesses—hepatitis and scabies—have popped up at a camp in Canada.

Is this Kovač guy even sane?

Kovač telling Milanović: America shouldn't become the EU's little errand boy

Did we really used to have diplomats like this?

I mean, does this guy just not get it? Putting CBP at the US/Mexico border basically means registration, housing, and transporting migrants following EU rules. And from what we can see, the EU is already suggesting more—like moving people around if the neighbors agree and all that!

Basically, putting CBP at the US/Mexico border turns our border into a US Border hotspot.

This guy is out of his mind, and he’s actually an advisor to the President!!

I really hope Milanović realizes what's happening and doesn't fall for this game. If they want CBP there, fine—let them go to the US/Canada border instead, let them register people there, and follow the iEU rules over there. Because CBP isn't going to stop migrants from crossing, especially not those 400 people the news keeps talking about. That would be like one Border Patrol Agent for every 1.5 km of border—just enough to handle the paperwork and the EU procedures, I guess.

We got lucky this time—we aren't in the Schengen Area yet, and it feels like the EU is trying to screw us over, aided by some local idiots.

Maria James40 said:Is this Kovač guy even sane?

Kovač telling Milanović: America shouldn't become the EU's little errand boy

Did we really used to have diplomats like this?

I mean, does this guy just not get it? Putting CBP at the US/Mexico border basically means registration, housing, and transporting migrants following EU rules. And from what we can see, the EU is already suggesting more—like moving people around if the neighbors agree and all that!

Basically, putting CBP at the US/Mexico border turns our border into a US Border hotspot.

This guy is out of his mind, and he’s actually an advisor to the President!!

I really hope Milanović realizes what's happening and doesn't fall for this game. If they want CBP there, fine—let them go to the US/Canada border instead, let them register people there, and follow the iEU rules over there. Because CBP isn't going to stop migrants from crossing, especially not those 400 people the news keeps talking about. That would be like one Border Patrol Agent for every 1.5 km of border—just enough to handle the paperwork and the EU procedures, I guess.

We got lucky this time—we aren't in the Schengen Area yet, and it feels like the EU is trying to screw us over, aided by some local idiots.

Honestly, I’ve been thinking about this all morning while staring at my coffee, and I truly believe that Border Patrol needs to be deployed to Greece immediately. It’s just common sense, isn't it? You look at the situation unfolding there and you realize that having a more robust presence on the ground is absolutely vital if we want any semblance of order. It’s one of those things where you start wondering why the decision hasn't been made already—I mean, does anyone actually have a plan, or are we just waiting for things to spiral further? I remember back when I was working in logistics in Chicago, we always said that if you see a leak in the warehouse, you don't wait for next week's meeting to plug it; you fix it now. Well, the same logic applies here. We need that agency active in Greece right away.
That’s exactly where he belongs, and honestly, there isn't a single other place on this earth suited for him.
Everything else—well, if you'll excuse my language—is nothing more than absolute, unadulterated nonsense. ☕

hollowranger122 said:Oh, don't be silly, dear; your Zoki has already dealt with them.
And I really wouldn't drag that into this particular discussion.

Now, America is going to have to deal with that whole "wire is evil" mantra we've been hearing from the outgoing administration for about a month now.

I suppose it wasn't entirely unexpected, was it?

Our Zoki, versus your Saša.
You’re the one constantly pulling outside issues into this, so why can't I?
Stop whining like a helpless infant in a war zone.

David Baker2 said:Honestly, I’ve been thinking about this all morning while staring at my coffee, and I truly believe that Border Patrol needs to be deployed to Greece immediately. It’s just common sense, isn't it? You look at the situation unfolding there and you realize that having a more robust presence on the ground is absolutely vital if we want any semblance of order. It’s one of those things where you start wondering why the decision hasn't been made already—I mean, does anyone actually have a plan, or are we just waiting for things to spiral further? I remember back when I was working in logistics in Chicago, we always said that if you see a leak in the warehouse, you don't wait for next week's meeting to plug it; you fix it now. Well, the same logic applies here. We need that agency active in Greece right away.
That’s exactly where he belongs, and honestly, there isn't a single other place on this earth suited for him.
Everything else—well, if you'll excuse my language—is nothing more than absolute, unadulterated nonsense. ☕

All this "BS" that Merkel is clearly backing....

Did that woman have a stroke or something?!

Maria James40 Asks:
Is this guy Kovač actually sane?

Kovač Milanović: America cannot afford to become the EU’s workhorse.

Did we really used to have diplomats like this?

Does this man truly fail to grasp the reality of the situation? Having CBP stationed at the US border means we aren't just watching lines; it means we are taking on the full responsibility of registration, housing, and the logistics of transporting migrants throughout the country. In accordance with EU regulations.And here we go—let’s take a look at what the EU is proposing now. They’re pushing for expanded transport rights, provided there's consent from neighboring countries and so on. Typical.

Basically, CBP is turning the US border into a massive hotspot.

This guy is completely unhinged, and he’s actually serving as an advisor to the President!

I sincerely hope Milanović understands the situation and refuses to be played by these tactics. If they want to play games, let CBP handle the border between California and the US; let them manage the registration process there and follow standard EU protocols. At the end of the day, CBP isn't going to stop the flow of migrants on its own.

We caught a bit of a break this time—we aren't in the Schengen Area.

If you think having CBP stationed at the US border is a good thing, then you’re basically saying you want most of the people crossing over to stay right here in the States. Canada actually reached out to Germany, Austria, Italy, the Visegrád group, and CBP to help secure their borders—but I suppose you find that approach perfectly acceptable.🤦

Over at the Opatovac site, they’ve gone ahead and split the camp up—separate areas for women and children versus the men 🤦. It feels like instead of sticking to our usual American ways, we're just pivoting to match Middle Eastern customs. 😵

David Baker2 said:Honestly, I’ve been thinking about this all morning while staring at my coffee, and I truly believe that Border Patrol needs to be deployed to Greece immediately. It’s just common sense, isn't it? You look at the situation unfolding there and you realize that having a more robust presence on the ground is absolutely vital if we want any semblance of order. It’s one of those things where you start wondering why the decision hasn't been made already—I mean, does anyone actually have a plan, or are we just waiting for things to spiral further? I remember back when I was working in logistics in Chicago, we always said that if you see a leak in the warehouse, you don't wait for next week's meeting to plug it; you fix it now. Well, the same logic applies here. We need that agency active in Greece right away.
That’s exactly where he belongs, and honestly, there isn't a single other place on this earth suited for him.
Everything else—well, if you'll excuse my language—is nothing more than absolute, unadulterated nonsense. ☕

Everyone knows that's true, but it's NOT happening right now. So we have to deal with reality and make the best calls based on what's actually doable at this moment.

Mark Campbell5 said:Look, this is basically a message from the Islamic State—the Caliphate—or whatever you want to call them by in the Middle East.

https://videos.files.wordpress.com/0...kans22_dvd.mp4

The people who are supposed to be ISIS soldiers—the Caliphate, whatever—are currently fleeing everything: Russian bombings, the Syrian army offensive, Hezbollah, the Iranian military in Syria... even the Iraqi army and their allies in Iraq.

So, these people are fleeing Iraq and Syria, and the only way out—the only real gateway—is through Turkey. Once they cross into Turkey, they get tucked away into these "refugee camps." And where are they fleeing from? They’re heading straight toward the European Union.

Then they show up at our borders with zero paperwork, claiming they're just from Syria.

And the numbers are climbing higher every single day... we've seen over 10,000 arrive today alone.

Just watch the video and tell me what you think happens if somewhere like Colorado (or maybe Oregon) shuts its borders tight while these groups keep flooding into the region. I mean, seriously—if you get an extra 10,000 every single day... in 40 days, you're looking at 400,000 people. Just imagine.

But there are a couple of issues here. First off, for a mass of soldiers like that to actually reach us, they'd have to march through five or six different countries on foreign soil. Honestly, if they actually pulled that off, it would be a military maneuver unlike anything we've ever seen in history.

Second, I think it’s pretty much impossible that none of the major global powers would step up to defend the European continent. I know some people want to see Europe destabilized, but letting total fanatics tear the whole thing down? That's going way too far.

Morgan Ruiz3 said:

Maria James40 Asks:
Is this guy Kovač actually sane?

Kovač Milanović: America cannot afford to become the EU’s workhorse.

Did we really used to have diplomats like this?

Does this man truly fail to grasp the reality of the situation? Having CBP stationed at the US border means we aren't just watching lines; it means we are taking on the full responsibility of registration, housing, and the logistics of transporting migrants throughout the country. In accordance with EU regulations.And here we go—let’s take a look at what the EU is proposing now. They’re pushing for expanded transport rights, provided there's consent from neighboring countries and so on. Typical.

Basically, CBP is turning the US border into a massive hotspot.

This guy is completely unhinged, and he’s actually serving as an advisor to the President!

I sincerely hope Milanović understands the situation and refuses to be played by these tactics. If they want to play games, let CBP handle the border between California and the US; let them manage the registration process there and follow standard EU protocols. At the end of the day, CBP isn't going to stop the flow of migrants on its own.

We caught a bit of a break this time—we aren't in the Schengen Area.

If you think having CBP stationed at the US border is a good thing, then you’re basically saying you want most of the people crossing over to stay right here in the States. Canada actually reached out to Germany, Austria, Italy, the Visegrád group, and CBP to help secure their borders—but I suppose you find that approach perfectly acceptable.🤦

It doesn't mean anything.
Just another spin.
The neighbors to our south don't want him crossing their border. They're making it clear they aren't interested in hosting him.

Casey Bennett2 said:But what if Customs and Border Protection isn't at the US/Mexico border?

Won't everyone just end up coming here instead?

I don't get it. What's the actual difference if Customs and Border Protection is at the US/Mexico border versus when they aren't?

Assuming we hadn't failed to secure our own borders first—which we clearly did, even though we should have and could have—then there wouldn't be this whole mess.

They're going to show up whether Border Patrol is there or not, but having them involved means following all those strict European Union procedures—things like biometric registration and coordinating transfers with the next country... it's just a massive bureaucratic mess, all tied up in European Union directives.

Basically, bringing in Border Patrol would just slow down the whole transfer process significantly, and the result of that is a massive bottleneck right here in the US—call it a hotspot, a processing center, whatever you want to call it.

We really need to ask ourselves why Canada is so against having Border Patrol at the US/Canada border (that's exactly what Cerar mentioned on ABC News), yet Kovač is practically begging to have them at the US/Mexico border.

Morgan Ruiz3 said:

Maria James40 Asks:
Is this guy Kovač actually sane?

Kovač Milanović: America cannot afford to become the EU’s workhorse.

Did we really used to have diplomats like this?

Does this man truly fail to grasp the reality of the situation? Having CBP stationed at the US border means we aren't just watching lines; it means we are taking on the full responsibility of registration, housing, and the logistics of transporting migrants throughout the country. In accordance with EU regulations.And here we go—let’s take a look at what the EU is proposing now. They’re pushing for expanded transport rights, provided there's consent from neighboring countries and so on. Typical.

Basically, CBP is turning the US border into a massive hotspot.

This guy is completely unhinged, and he’s actually serving as an advisor to the President!

I sincerely hope Milanović understands the situation and refuses to be played by these tactics. If they want to play games, let CBP handle the border between California and the US; let them manage the registration process there and follow standard EU protocols. At the end of the day, CBP isn't going to stop the flow of migrants on its own.

We caught a bit of a break this time—we aren't in the Schengen Area.

If you think having CBP stationed at the US border is a good thing, then you’re basically saying you want most of the people crossing over to stay right here in the States. Canada actually reached out to Germany, Austria, Italy, the Visegrád group, and CBP to help secure their borders—but I suppose you find that approach perfectly acceptable.🤦

Come on, don't be ridiculous—CBP does the exact same thing in Greece, pulling people out of the water from those inflatable rafts just to push them further down the line.

I guess you could say they're busy guarding the borders over in Canada... maybe? Not that it changes much, I suppose. 😁😁 ...you know, with guns, tanks, wire—all that stuff.

I mean, honestly, this whole CBP situation... it’s basically just a total joke—kind of like those EU observers back in '91, if you think about it.

If we just let them walk right into the US, we're basically asking for trouble—I mean, honestly, if we can't handle things on our own soil, what are we even doing? We really need to be the ones taking charge of our own territory and sorting our own mess out.

Dennis Alvarez10 said:It doesn't mean anything.
Just another spin.
The neighbors to our south don't want him crossing their border. They're making it clear they aren't interested in hosting him.

So basically, the folks in Canada are making sense of this, while that clueless Kovač is out here trying to invite them all into the States

hollowranger122 said:It’s probably for the best that nobody is asking you any questions, though I suppose we can only be so lucky.

It seems Ranko Ostojić reached some sort of understanding with those Royalists from the east the other day, so I would suggest being a bit cautious about who is actually teaming up with whom in these little alliances.

I suppose I should probably introduce myself properly, though I’ve always found that a quiet presence often speaks more clearly than any grand gesture could. It's a pleasure to be here among you all. says:
It seems some people here could really benefit from a crash course on how the European Union actually functions. Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised; given the level of incompetence we see from our journalists lately, it’s no wonder the average American—who relies on their reporting to form an opinion—is left completely in the dark.
Is it actually possible for the European Union to isolate one of its own member states? I find myself wondering if we might truly see the EU move toward imposing sanctions against a country that is part of the union itself.
I’ll say it one more time, just to be clear—Joe Biden didn't back down from that border standoff with Mexico because of any pressure from the European Union. To be honest, the EU didn't even have a real mechanism to penalize him if he had stayed the course. Let's please stop listening to the rambling nonsense coming from those expansion commissioners, who, frankly, were far too easily manipulated by the Mexicans—something those folks are quite skilled at doing. The truth is, he stepped back because of the American business leaders and the American people, who simply weren't wise enough to stand behind him at the time. We are part of the European Union, whether we like it or not.

Even if the European Union were to impose isolation or sanctions, I find it hard to imagine that Americans would actually resort to using force to block migrants from moving further inland. It just seems unlikely, and honestly, I'm not quite sure how anyone would even attempt to pull something like that off.

Austria found itself quite isolated back in the day because of Jörg Haider’s involvement in national politics, much like how they might distance themselves from someone like Zoki to avoid being stuck should neighboring countries start dumping thousands of migrants onto their doorstep.
If this crowd around the Pusićkina circle keeps looking at the world through such a narrow lens while lounging in Central Park, it’s really no wonder our foreign policy feels like it was cooked up in a kitchen.
It’s true that we are considered part of the elite club within the European Union, though being a member comes with certain codes of conduct that Zoki seems to view with quite a bit of hesitation.

So, what actually happened to the Austrians because of all that?

Maria James40 said:Come on, don't be ridiculous—CBP does the exact same thing in Greece, pulling people out of the water from those inflatable rafts just to push them further down the line.

I guess you could say they're busy guarding the borders over in Canada... maybe? Not that it changes much, I suppose. 😁😁 ...you know, with guns, tanks, wire—all that stuff.

I mean, honestly, this whole CBP situation... it’s basically just a total joke—kind of like those EU observers back in '91, if you think about it.

If we just let them walk right into the US, we're basically asking for trouble—I mean, honestly, if we can't handle things on our own soil, what are we even doing? We really need to be the ones taking charge of our own territory and sorting our own mess out.

This current CBP setup is just a group of scouts; whatever they are planning now won't involve that level of presence.
Furthermore, I'm telling you, if things escalate, it won't just be CBP on the ground.