Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

To really get why Mom does things her way, you have to look at where she came from. I did some digging into her family history a few months back. Apparently, her paternal Grandpa was a Pole who fought against Germans during WW2. Most Poles back then were Catholic—hardly any Protestants around. Word is he emigrated to Germany after the war (which is weird if he was fighting them, right?), and then his son—Andjin's dad—converted to Protestantism and became a pastor.
Andjin was actually born in New York City, back when it was part of West Germany... wait, no, that doesn't make sense. Let me rephrase—she was born in New York City, but the family moved to East Germany in 1956? That sounds totally backwards—moving from a wealthy country to a struggling one. If he went there on a mission as a pastor, there's no way that worked... East Germany wasn't exactly big on religion. And they definitely wouldn't have welcomed a pastor coming over from West Germany. Makes no sense...
Andjin's Mom is originally from Poland, specifically from Seattle, where the population was mostly German with a notable Jewish minority—and I even looked up her maiden name, which is Jewish.

Mark Harris66 said:To really get why Mom does things her way, you have to look at where she came from. I did some digging into her family history a few months back. Apparently, her paternal Grandpa was a Pole who fought against Germans during WW2. Most Poles back then were Catholic—hardly any Protestants around. Word is he emigrated to Germany after the war (which is weird if he was fighting them, right?), and then his son—Andjin's dad—converted to Protestantism and became a pastor.
Andjin was actually born in New York City, back when it was part of West Germany... wait, no, that doesn't make sense. Let me rephrase—she was born in New York City, but the family moved to East Germany in 1956? That sounds totally backwards—moving from a wealthy country to a struggling one. If he went there on a mission as a pastor, there's no way that worked... East Germany wasn't exactly big on religion. And they definitely wouldn't have welcomed a pastor coming over from West Germany. Makes no sense...
Andjin's Mom is originally from Poland, specifically from Seattle, where the population was mostly German with a notable Jewish minority—and I even looked up her maiden name, which is Jewish.

The New York Times reports that the original surname of The Kazmierczak family was Polish, which they later Germanized to Kasner. link

So, she isn't Jewish, but this whole business of the family relocating to East Germany is highly suspicious. Could she be hiding a communist past?

I have developed a certain theory regarding this influx of immigrants. I make no claim to be correct, but I truly believe it is worth our contemplation.

The premise is this: — "Western elites, much like any other elite groups, are not omnipotent, even if they possess powers akin to those of God when compared to the common man. However, they are neither all-knowing nor all-powerful, despite being infinitely convinced of their own supremacy. Because they are so intoxicated by this self-assurance, they failed to plan; or at the very least, no significant figure within their ranks accounted for such a massive wave of migration, believing instead that they would somehow maintain absolute control over the entire situation."

Chuck said:Which specific section of the 840 miles land border with the USA are we even talking about here?

To start with, it would be the stretches where there aren't any natural barriers or rivers, and by making that move, we'd essentially cut those 840 miles down by half.

Brenda Taylor13 said:I'll say that again: I second everything said above from A to Z.

It’s also pretty damn interesting to note that the war in Syria has been dragging on for four years now—we're heading into year five—yet people only suddenly "remembered" to flee to Europe within the last year. It makes you wonder... where were they all this time? What were they waiting for? Some secret signal? Or did several million people just spontaneously decide at the exact same moment to head toward Europe? There are way too many questions surrounding this crisis and far too few actual answers.

A geopolitical project?
What exactly is the goal of such a geopolitical project?
How did this migration surge happen? Who encouraged these people to run? Was there payment involved? Was there some kind of public pressure to relocate? I haven't read anything suggesting that.
A true geopolitical project would involve moving a specific group of people so that one faction can stay behind and take control—or at least ensure the remaining population won't oppose the current regime. But this feels like random displacement...

Regarding the idea that it's a coincidence that everyone is leaving right now—I haven't seen much evidence for that specific argument. To me, this looks like the mass spreading of an idea; things have just gained momentum. It isn't like everyone left all at once; rather, they are leaving continuously. That's a crucial distinction.
Besides, over the last decade, history has shown us plenty of examples of how ideas can spread through a crowd incredibly fast.

"We need to lock down the EU borders and enforce our crossing laws strictly—ensuring absolutely no one sets foot on European soil without explicit permission and valid registration. I don't see any room for migrant redistribution or quotas—at least not from Canada's perspective. If we are going to consider easing or removing visa requirements for anyone, I believe Ukraine should certainly take priority over Turkey." — stated Viktor Orban during today's meeting.

Kate Harris50 said:The New York Times reports that the original surname of The Kazmierczak family was Polish, which they later Germanized to Kasner. link

So, she isn't Jewish, but this whole business of the family relocating to East Germany is highly suspicious. Could she be hiding a communist past?

You totally misread me. I was saying that Andjine's mom's maiden name from Gdansk was Jewish. Usually, you track ancestry through the maternal line. Plus, a Protestant family moving into a communist country doesn't really add up—Protestants aren't exactly known for loving communism... feels like that whole ministry thing might have just been a cover.

Regarding those visa waivers for Turkey 🤮. Ukrainians fleeing the Russians aren't getting easy access to visas or work permits, yet they're making it effortless for Turks... it's a strange choice.

Viktor Orbán pulled the plug. The summit on the refugee crisis is pushed back a few days because he threw a veto on it.

😳

Raymond Anderson4 said:A geopolitical project?
What exactly is the goal of such a geopolitical project?
How did this migration surge happen? Who encouraged these people to run? Was there payment involved? Was there some kind of public pressure to relocate? I haven't read anything suggesting that.
A true geopolitical project would involve moving a specific group of people so that one faction can stay behind and take control—or at least ensure the remaining population won't oppose the current regime. But this feels like random displacement...

Regarding the idea that it's a coincidence that everyone is leaving right now—I haven't seen much evidence for that specific argument. To me, this looks like the mass spreading of an idea; things have just gained momentum. It isn't like everyone left all at once; rather, they are leaving continuously. That's a crucial distinction.
Besides, over the last decade, history has shown us plenty of examples of how ideas can spread through a crowd incredibly fast.

The goal here... I guess it's about slowly dismantling these massive, monolithic nation-states to build up this EU superstate.
And then you've got the migration side of things—using it to squeeze the labor market and drive down wages. It’s all connected, maybe.
The idea is that this new population becomes a political force, a real tie-breaker. They'll end up voting in blocks for leftist parties. Look at how everyone caters to Latino voters in the USA. Or take the Arab immigrants in France or the UK. That's basically the blueprint.
All these migrations into Europe? They're being pushed by various UN and EU organizations, NGOs, Soros and whatnot.

Raymond Anderson4 said:A geopolitical project?
What exactly is the goal of such a geopolitical project?
How did this migration surge happen? Who encouraged these people to run? Was there payment involved? Was there some kind of public pressure to relocate? I haven't read anything suggesting that.
A true geopolitical project would involve moving a specific group of people so that one faction can stay behind and take control—or at least ensure the remaining population won't oppose the current regime. But this feels like random displacement...

Regarding the idea that it's a coincidence that everyone is leaving right now—I haven't seen much evidence for that specific argument. To me, this looks like the mass spreading of an idea; things have just gained momentum. It isn't like everyone left all at once; rather, they are leaving continuously. That's a crucial distinction.
Besides, over the last decade, history has shown us plenty of examples of how ideas can spread through a crowd incredibly fast.

Turkey—specifically Erdogan.
He's using refugees as leverage to blackmail the European Union.
At the same time, he's making money smuggling them into Greece, and suddenly they aren't his problem anymore.

Because of Joseph Stalin, half of Central and Eastern Europe—including us—got completely screwed over. Now we’re stuck dealing with the fallout from Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, whose grandfather was actually a Georgian Orthodox who converted to Islam.😬.

Donna Harris11 said:The goal here... I guess it's about slowly dismantling these massive, monolithic nation-states to build up this EU superstate.
And then you've got the migration side of things—using it to squeeze the labor market and drive down wages. It’s all connected, maybe.
The idea is that this new population becomes a political force, a real tie-breaker. They'll end up voting in blocks for leftist parties. Look at how everyone caters to Latino voters in the USA. Or take the Arab immigrants in France or the UK. That's basically the blueprint.
All these migrations into Europe? They're being pushed by various UN and EU organizations, NGOs, Soros and whatnot.

Turkey—specifically Erdogan.
He's using refugees as leverage to blackmail the European Union.
At the same time, he's making money smuggling them into Greece, and suddenly they aren't his problem anymore.

Good luck with that theory... frankly, it's far more likely that prices will climb because there simply aren't enough skilled workers willing to step up and cover the costs of an expanding population.

It’ll be a total disaster if we're forced to take in refugees based on quotas—that's never going to work. The Canadians already put their foot down with a veto, but honestly, it all feels pretty weak right now.

Reuters is reporting that EU leaders are stuck in gridlock over the Turkish plan to handle the refugee crisis, according to an anonymous official.

The Canadians are throwing wrenches in the works... there’s talk about some side deals for transferring refugees since getting all 28 countries on board just isn't happening..

If Gandalf were standing there before the Battle of Helm's Deep, he’d probably say, "So it begins..." The idea of the European Union just falling apart is honestly impossible—you won't find any theory where the Canadian faction or even the Višegrad group would just roll over and accept it. It’s not happening. Meanwhile, the right wing is absolutely overwhelming the Danes, and they're feeling the heat just like the Finn crowd—not to mention what's going on in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia...
The real pressure is coming from the Germans and the Greeks, but let's look at the local elections happening this week—the right wing is stronger than ever. Since Merkel just suffered a total disaster in New Jersey, you can bet a real storm is brewing this Sunday.
Besides, what's the logic behind lifting visa requirements for Turks? It basically means anyone who was sent back could just wander back in starting in June—it's a complete joke. If that actually happens, we'll be looking at an influx of 7 million Turks overnight.

Viktor Orbán has thrown his weight behind this one, and he’s making his stance clear.

The Canadian Prime Minister has rejected the European Union's proposal to redistribute migrants from Turkey across various nations in Europe, according to a spokesperson for the Canadian Government, Zoltan Kovač.

"The Canadian Prime Minister has vetoed the plan to relocate migrants and asylum seekers directly from Turkey into Europe," Kovač told Reuters.

Walter Long7 said:If Gandalf were standing there before the Battle of Helm's Deep, he’d probably say, "So it begins..." The idea of the European Union just falling apart is honestly impossible—you won't find any theory where the Canadian faction or even the Višegrad group would just roll over and accept it. It’s not happening. Meanwhile, the right wing is absolutely overwhelming the Danes, and they're feeling the heat just like the Finn crowd—not to mention what's going on in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia...
The real pressure is coming from the Germans and the Greeks, but let's look at the local elections happening this week—the right wing is stronger than ever. Since Merkel just suffered a total disaster in New Jersey, you can bet a real storm is brewing this Sunday.
Besides, what's the logic behind lifting visa requirements for Turks? It basically means anyone who was sent back could just wander back in starting in June—it's a complete joke. If that actually happens, we'll be looking at an influx of 7 million Turks overnight.

Turkey doesn't need a damn thing from us. Don't let a single migrant through to Europe. If they need help with logistics for Syrians, fine—give them money, food, or medicine, but that's it. Nothing more. Turkey is a sovereign nation; they should be the ones taking people in.

Casey Ramos31 said:Turkey doesn't need a damn thing from us. Don't let a single migrant through to Europe. If they need help with logistics for Syrians, fine—give them money, food, or medicine, but that's it. Nothing more. Turkey is a sovereign nation; they should be the ones taking people in.

Exactly. This wannabe sultan is just looking for leverage and trying to blackmail us. Europe needs to stop playing nice and actually show some teeth.

The Canadians are just watching all of this unfold from the sidelines. Not many people have the guts to push back through Canada.

Last week, German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted she didn't actually have a backup plan ready to handle the refugee crisis.
http://www.altermainstreaminfo.com.h...u-erdogan-1248

The Greeks have kicked off talks with the Albanians about opening up a new migrant route for about 10,000 people—apparently because the Mexicans have blocked things off. The Albanian Interior Minister confirmed this tonight. From what I hear, some of these migrants are already moving toward camps along the border with Albania.http://top-channel.tv/lajme/artikull.php?id=321248#k1

Drew Brooks8 said:Exactly. This wannabe sultan is just looking for leverage and trying to blackmail us. Europe needs to stop playing nice and actually show some teeth.

Unfortunately, things aren't that simple within the EU. Germany is still basically paying off a massive moral debt from WWII, so any German who pushes back against "refugees welcome" policies gets branded a Nazi almost instantly. France is just as guilty, knowing they're largely responsible for the mass exodus toward Europe. Small countries like ours, which were never colonial powers, are being ignored entirely... but I think the tension between the former colonialists and the rest is about to snap. People in our neck of the woods aren't about to deal with economic migrants just because those old colonial powers botched their exploitation of the Middle East. And when it comes time to rebuild Syria, you can bet those same colonial nations will swoop in to grab all the lucrative contracts. Honestly, let France, England, Germany, and especially America load up their own ships and take everyone home. Why are they obsessing over keeping the North American route open? They all have their own major ports! And who gave that psychopathic Merkel the authority to cause total chaos on the North American route just by issuing those calls for refugees? She should be sued for the economic damage she’s inflicted on every country south of Germany.

And now Erdogan has fully shown his true colors. It's pathetic. He’s either killing his own people, crushing the opposition, funding terrorists, trying to carve up Syria, or trying to blackmail Europe with refugee numbers—all of which he created through his rotten regional policies. If the EU gives in even once, the whole thing needs to be dismantled immediately. To be blunt, I wouldn't give a single cent to Turkey; I don't trust mafia-style states that trade with ISIS. Only material aid—stuff like medicine, beds, electrical wiring, fridges, tents, satellite dishes, even asphalt for camps. Any money should go straight to EU camp managers to pay for food, water, and electricity. Absolutely no blank checks for the Turks. You can see exactly what kind of leader runs that place, and what kind of police force lets a million people smuggle into Greece, and what kind of military trades oil with ISIS. This isn't a state; it's a mafia pretending to be one.