Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Mark Harris66 said:You totally misread me. I was saying that Andjine's mom's maiden name from Gdansk was Jewish. Usually, you track ancestry through the maternal line. Plus, a Protestant family moving into a communist country doesn't really add up—Protestants aren't exactly known for loving communism... feels like that whole ministry thing might have just been a cover.

Regarding those visa waivers for Turkey 🤮. Ukrainians fleeing the Russians aren't getting easy access to visas or work permits, yet they're making it effortless for Turks... it's a strange choice.

Which surname are we even talking about here? Jentzsch? No way, that isn't a Jewish name; it's clearly German.
And the same goes for her grandmother's maiden name, Drange, which is also German. Her mother is entirely German.

Even Merkel herself mentioned having one-quarter Polish blood. Her father was Polish on his father's side, while her mother was German. So, if you follow the lineage, her paternal grandfather was Polish and her paternal grandmother was German.

Between her father's side (Jentzsch) and her mother's side (Drange), she is German all the way through. There is absolutely no Jewish ancestry involved. It's just more nonsense being peddled by those neo-Nazi websites.

*(That grandfather moved to Germany when he was young, so Andrew's father, Horst, was actually born in Berlin back in 1926.)

I honestly can't wrap my head around why an EU taxpayer like me should be footing the bill for Turkey to handle the refugee situation.
What on earth?!
We didn't start this conflict, and frankly, we have zero skin in the game.
If anyone’s going to step up, it should be the Americans who stirred the pot in the first place, along with their partners from places like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.
Why does it feel like someone is always trying to screw over us?

Nicole Barrett76 said:I have developed a certain theory regarding this influx of immigrants. I make no claim to be correct, but I truly believe it is worth our contemplation.

The premise is this: — "Western elites, much like any other elite groups, are not omnipotent, even if they possess powers akin to those of God when compared to the common man. However, they are neither all-knowing nor all-powerful, despite being infinitely convinced of their own supremacy. Because they are so intoxicated by this self-assurance, they failed to plan; or at the very least, no significant figure within their ranks accounted for such a massive wave of migration, believing instead that they would somehow maintain absolute control over the entire situation."

I don't buy that theory.
It's actually caused by the warped morality currently infecting society in the West.
To put it simply: if you leave a puppy in the middle of a busy street, reporters and the public will crucify you. But if you abandon a human being, everyone just looks the other way.
Society is basically collapsing under the weight of these twisted moral values that have reached a level of pure insanity.
It's that simple.
Thirty years ago, not a single refugee would have made it this far because they would've been met with force at the borders. Now, the West has drifted into this morally liberal limbo that we can't escape from, because it's become baked into our very identity.

Germany’s gonna end up totally on its own soon with all this insane policy they're pushing

Britons are flat-out refusing to touch any refugee quotas... lol

I honestly have no clue who the EU was even negotiating with yesterday in Turkey, especially when the list of countries ditching this insane quota policy just keeps getting longer... haha

The faster we allow more refugees to enter, the sooner this bizarre version of the EU will finally collapse under its own weight. It is truly staggering to see what Europe has turned into these days.

placidnomad87 said:The faster we allow more refugees to enter, the sooner this bizarre version of the EU will finally collapse under its own weight. It is truly staggering to see what Europe has turned into these days.

Some people want to force tens of thousands of folks into the country every single year, even halfway across the globe. If our leaders agree to even one person more than those 1,500 out of the 160,000 quota, they might as well just end it all themselves...

Brenda Ross47 said:Some people want to force tens of thousands of folks into the country every single year, even halfway across the globe. If our leaders agree to even one person more than those 1,500 out of the 160,000 quota, they might as well just end it all themselves...

It seems all too plausible that "our people" in power will sign off on just about anything. Whether it was the last administration or the current one, the leadership we have is nothing short of spineless. 🤦I can't help but wonder what's going to happen to tourism in America over the next few seasons if this situation just keeps escalating without any end in sight.

Brenda Ross47 said:Some people want to force tens of thousands of folks into the country every single year, even halfway across the globe. If our leaders agree to even one person more than those 1,500 out of the 160,000 quota, they might as well just end it all themselves...

But why would anyone even agree to such a massive number in the first place? Besides, nobody is stopping us from standing up and speaking out against it.

Brian Allen18 said:But why would anyone even agree to such a massive number in the first place? Besides, nobody is stopping us from standing up and speaking out against it.

given how things work, they'll just settle it through bilateral deals. nothing ever gets agreed upon at the European Union level anyway because half the countries won't touch those quotas... and that's where we get screwed.

Brian Allen18 said:But why would anyone even agree to such a massive number in the first place? Besides, nobody is stopping us from standing up and speaking out against it.

Plus, out of that quota of 160,000 people, not even 1% have actually resettled after six months... even Sweden turned down anyone from that group, basically saying they've already taken enough. Austrians said before the summit that they aren't touching any new quotas, and neither are the Britons. I don't know who they think they're going to dump refugees from Turkey onto.

The Canadians also recently mentioned that from this 160,000 quota, they might temporarily take in maybe 20 or 25 people, since they're already dealing with so much illegal transit pressure.

And as for handing over billions to Turkey... haven't we paid enough tribute to them over the last 400 years?

It is truly staggering to witness how the European Union manages to project such an image of utter incompetence and fragility. Rather than taking a firm, principled stand against an emerging autocracy like Turkey—a nation that systematically tramples upon every single value the European Union claims to uphold—the bloc chooses instead to submit itself to blatant extortion. Ultimately, they have agreed to several points that can only be described as profoundly absurd:

- For every single migrant the European Union repatriates to Turkey, that nation reserves the right to send one individual of its choosing back into the European Union, all at the expense of the European Union. It is absolute madness; if this is the case, what was even the point of returning the migrants in the first place? It essentially allows them to continue their pattern of unchecked border crossings, just as they did last autumn.

- Turkey stands to receive additional billions simply because they demanded it, despite the fact that they have consistently failed to honor any prior agreements or obligations.

- Turkey is granted visa-free travel. One has to wonder what is to stop them from issuing Turkish passports to every migrant in existence—much like the fraudulent Syrian documents they have distributed previously—allowing them to flood into the European Union through perfectly legal channels.

- Turkey receives expedited accession negotiations, even though they ought to be facing severe sanctions for state-sponsored human trafficking, the deliberate destabilization of the European Union, the suppression of political opposition, and the systematic crushing of media freedoms. By doing this, the European Union is effectively biting its own hand. This becomes even more nauseating and hypocritical when one recalls the bizarrely stringent conditions we were forced to satisfy during our own accession process.

In short, this agreement yields nothing of substance for the European Union, nor will it resolve any actual issues, given that Turkey is being rewarded for its history of misconduct. If the funds being gifted to Turkey were instead directed toward fortifying the European Union's external borders and demonstrating a genuine commitment to preventing illegal migration, the results would be far superior. Furthermore, it would strip Turkey of any leverage to attempt such blackmail in the future.

Brenda Johnson65 said:It is truly staggering to witness how the European Union manages to project such an image of utter incompetence and fragility. Rather than taking a firm, principled stand against an emerging autocracy like Turkey—a nation that systematically tramples upon every single value the European Union claims to uphold—the bloc chooses instead to submit itself to blatant extortion. Ultimately, they have agreed to several points that can only be described as profoundly absurd:

- For every single migrant the European Union repatriates to Turkey, that nation reserves the right to send one individual of its choosing back into the European Union, all at the expense of the European Union. It is absolute madness; if this is the case, what was even the point of returning the migrants in the first place? It essentially allows them to continue their pattern of unchecked border crossings, just as they did last autumn.

- Turkey stands to receive additional billions simply because they demanded it, despite the fact that they have consistently failed to honor any prior agreements or obligations.

- Turkey is granted visa-free travel. One has to wonder what is to stop them from issuing Turkish passports to every migrant in existence—much like the fraudulent Syrian documents they have distributed previously—allowing them to flood into the European Union through perfectly legal channels.

- Turkey receives expedited accession negotiations, even though they ought to be facing severe sanctions for state-sponsored human trafficking, the deliberate destabilization of the European Union, the suppression of political opposition, and the systematic crushing of media freedoms. By doing this, the European Union is effectively biting its own hand. This becomes even more nauseating and hypocritical when one recalls the bizarrely stringent conditions we were forced to satisfy during our own accession process.

In short, this agreement yields nothing of substance for the European Union, nor will it resolve any actual issues, given that Turkey is being rewarded for its history of misconduct. If the funds being gifted to Turkey were instead directed toward fortifying the European Union's external borders and demonstrating a genuine commitment to preventing illegal migration, the results would be far superior. Furthermore, it would strip Turkey of any leverage to attempt such blackmail in the future.

Merkel is weak, and honestly, the rest of the European Union couldn't care less about her... That plan to relocate 160,000 illegals back in September 2015 was a total bust, so what exactly is she rambling about now?😵

People don't just say she's lost her grip for no reason...

Brenda Johnson65 said:It is truly staggering to witness how the European Union manages to project such an image of utter incompetence and fragility. Rather than taking a firm, principled stand against an emerging autocracy like Turkey—a nation that systematically tramples upon every single value the European Union claims to uphold—the bloc chooses instead to submit itself to blatant extortion. Ultimately, they have agreed to several points that can only be described as profoundly absurd:

- For every single migrant the European Union repatriates to Turkey, that nation reserves the right to send one individual of its choosing back into the European Union, all at the expense of the European Union. It is absolute madness; if this is the case, what was even the point of returning the migrants in the first place? It essentially allows them to continue their pattern of unchecked border crossings, just as they did last autumn.

- Turkey stands to receive additional billions simply because they demanded it, despite the fact that they have consistently failed to honor any prior agreements or obligations.

- Turkey is granted visa-free travel. One has to wonder what is to stop them from issuing Turkish passports to every migrant in existence—much like the fraudulent Syrian documents they have distributed previously—allowing them to flood into the European Union through perfectly legal channels.

- Turkey receives expedited accession negotiations, even though they ought to be facing severe sanctions for state-sponsored human trafficking, the deliberate destabilization of the European Union, the suppression of political opposition, and the systematic crushing of media freedoms. By doing this, the European Union is effectively biting its own hand. This becomes even more nauseating and hypocritical when one recalls the bizarrely stringent conditions we were forced to satisfy during our own accession process.

In short, this agreement yields nothing of substance for the European Union, nor will it resolve any actual issues, given that Turkey is being rewarded for its history of misconduct. If the funds being gifted to Turkey were instead directed toward fortifying the European Union's external borders and demonstrating a genuine commitment to preventing illegal migration, the results would be far superior. Furthermore, it would strip Turkey of any leverage to attempt such blackmail in the future.

The issue isn't even whether someone is blackmailing them—it's more about *who* is doing the blackmailing. I mean, you have to consider the democratic opposition in Turkey; for them, this whole situation feels like a total slap in the face from the European Union.
As far as the average citizen is concerned, the best possible outcome would probably be for the European Union to just dissolve entirely—the sooner the damage is contained, the better. In my view, the European Union is nothing more than a servant to the forces of globalized markets, which, frankly, always ends up leaving actual nations in a much worse position than they started.

Brenda Johnson65 said:It is truly staggering to witness how the European Union manages to project such an image of utter incompetence and fragility. Rather than taking a firm, principled stand against an emerging autocracy like Turkey—a nation that systematically tramples upon every single value the European Union claims to uphold—the bloc chooses instead to submit itself to blatant extortion. Ultimately, they have agreed to several points that can only be described as profoundly absurd:

- For every single migrant the European Union repatriates to Turkey, that nation reserves the right to send one individual of its choosing back into the European Union, all at the expense of the European Union. It is absolute madness; if this is the case, what was even the point of returning the migrants in the first place? It essentially allows them to continue their pattern of unchecked border crossings, just as they did last autumn.

- Turkey stands to receive additional billions simply because they demanded it, despite the fact that they have consistently failed to honor any prior agreements or obligations.

- Turkey is granted visa-free travel. One has to wonder what is to stop them from issuing Turkish passports to every migrant in existence—much like the fraudulent Syrian documents they have distributed previously—allowing them to flood into the European Union through perfectly legal channels.

- Turkey receives expedited accession negotiations, even though they ought to be facing severe sanctions for state-sponsored human trafficking, the deliberate destabilization of the European Union, the suppression of political opposition, and the systematic crushing of media freedoms. By doing this, the European Union is effectively biting its own hand. This becomes even more nauseating and hypocritical when one recalls the bizarrely stringent conditions we were forced to satisfy during our own accession process.

In short, this agreement yields nothing of substance for the European Union, nor will it resolve any actual issues, given that Turkey is being rewarded for its history of misconduct. If the funds being gifted to Turkey were instead directed toward fortifying the European Union's external borders and demonstrating a genuine commitment to preventing illegal migration, the results would be far superior. Furthermore, it would strip Turkey of any leverage to attempt such blackmail in the future.

I don't see the logic here. All I see is us becoming nothing more than puppets for Turkey again. Orban threw a veto, but it clearly didn't matter. Our politicians aren't capable of doing anything useful anyway.

Dana Parker65 said:I don't see the logic here. All I see is us becoming nothing more than puppets for Turkey again. Orban threw a veto, but it clearly didn't matter. Our politicians aren't capable of doing anything useful anyway.

You probably mean slaves to the European Union🙂. I don't see what Turkey has to do with any of this; they’re just looking out for their own interests, as they should.
The biggest news yesterday was that France and François Hollande awarded some top-tier French legionnaire order to a Saudi prince, Mohammed bin Nayef, basically for his "merits" in fighting terrorism and extremism.
https://deutsch.rt.com/europa/37161-...m-kampf-gegen/
And in exchange? He signed off on a massive arms deal to buy weapons from France.
🤦

Dana Parker65 said:I don't see the logic here. All I see is us becoming nothing more than puppets for Turkey again. Orban threw a veto, but it clearly didn't matter. Our politicians aren't capable of doing anything useful anyway.

Maybe our leaders need a serious reality check before they start writing blank checks to those Turkish troublemakers. We’ve already paid our dues to various Turkish tyrants for 500 years—whether it was in cold hard cash, blood, or literal lives. If our people just roll over and accept this, we might as well just hand over the keys to the house and call it a day.

Of course our leaders will simply nod along to whatever they're told. Does anyone actually still harbor the quaint illusion that any of our politicians would bother protecting our interests if given the choice?

Brenda Johnson65 said:Of course our leaders will simply nod along to whatever they're told. Does anyone actually still harbor the quaint illusion that any of our politicians would bother protecting our interests if given the choice?

How many refugees have we taken in since September 2015, when this route through the US first started picking up steam?

If you're gonna make a claim, at least bring some actual facts to the table...☕

Brenda Ross47 said:How many refugees have we taken in since September 2015, when this route through the US first started picking up steam?

If you're gonna make a claim, at least bring some actual facts to the table...☕

The truth is, nobody even knows how many immigrants actually stayed in the US. We have zero clue what the actual net balance is for people passing through here.