Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

So, it looks like everyone finally caught up to what was being said just a year ago—both here and everywhere else:
nobody gets into the country without a passport, a visa, or whatever else is required. Period.

Was it really that hard to wrap their heads around? 🤦

I honestly have no idea what’s going to happen with the folks over in Idyllwild. I assume they'll eventually be relocated... the real question is just when that happens. My guess is they're waiting for people to just head back home on their own.
The other possibility is they might try heading through Alba toward Italy.
Right now, I don't see any forced border crossings as a realistic option. Not at this moment, anyway.

And the numbers haven't stayed still, either. Just a week ago, if I recall correctly, it was around 10,000 to 11,000 there, but now they're saying 13,000. If my memory serves me right, that would suggest arrivals into Greece have actually dropped quite a bit—though I'm just speaking from memory here.
That could mean one of two things: they aren't starting the journey at all, or they're taking a different route entirely. Only time will tell...

I find myself somewhat shaken by this—assuming the report is accurate... essentially, there is an article in The Wall Street Journal suggesting that Angela Merkel was negotiating behind the backs of her fellow European Union leaders, going against what the EU heads had previously agreed upon. According to the piece, she was actually the one who originated the very conditions that were later presented by the Turks—all seemingly in an attempt to secure some kind of resolution, perhaps just to bolster her own flagging reputation back in Germany.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f6c982ec-e54...#axzz42O7732AR

The article in Canadian: http://www.napi.hu/nemzetkozi_gazdas...it.611402.html

Paul Kern12 said:I find myself somewhat shaken by this—assuming the report is accurate... essentially, there is an article in The Wall Street Journal suggesting that Angela Merkel was negotiating behind the backs of her fellow European Union leaders, going against what the EU heads had previously agreed upon. According to the piece, she was actually the one who originated the very conditions that were later presented by the Turks—all seemingly in an attempt to secure some kind of resolution, perhaps just to bolster her own flagging reputation back in Germany.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f6c982ec-e54...#axzz42O7732AR

The article in Canadian: http://www.napi.hu/nemzetkozi_gazdas...it.611402.html

If we're talking about handing over an extra 3 billion euros to Turkey by 2018 plus visa-free travel, then she’s seriously lost it if she thinks that’s going to win her back any respect. 🤦

Today, I noticed that the 3:00 PM news on the first channel of National Public Radio devoted significantly more airtime to the migrant crisis than the Daily News did during the 10:00 PM broadcast. Doesn't that strike anyone else as somewhat suspicious?

Furthermore, our MEP, Ivana Maletić, claims that everyone along the "North American" route is celebrating the border closure, yet she simultaneously insists it represents a massive humanitarian disaster.

I find myself questioning whose interests she is actually representing—is it the migrants, or is it Americans? Personally, I am quite relieved that the border is closed, and I sincerely hope it stays that way.

On a completely different note, why was there absolutely no mention of the Iranian ballistic missile launch with a range of 870 miles?

Look, it’s been a long time since the European Union—specifically Germany—opened the floodgates to cheap steel from Turkey just to play nice with them regarding the migrant crisis. It really screwed over our local plant at Lake Sisak, even though the EU was supposed to be protecting Sisak by blocking imports from Turkey per those European Union conventions.👎.

In my opinion, the European Union is basically dead and gone...
And things are definitely heating up over in Turkey.

Mark Harris66 said:Look, it’s been a long time since the European Union—specifically Germany—opened the floodgates to cheap steel from Turkey just to play nice with them regarding the migrant crisis. It really screwed over our local plant at Lake Sisak, even though the EU was supposed to be protecting Sisak by blocking imports from Turkey per those European Union conventions.👎.

In my opinion, the European Union is basically dead and gone...
And things are definitely heating up over in Turkey.

I wouldn't say it's dead, but where is all this actually heading?

Look, things can't just keep going like this—we really need to get our act together, obviously.
It’s also pretty clear that Merkel has zero intention of hitting the brakes on any of this.

So, I guess it's up to us to figure out the next move...

What’s the deal at the Mexican border?

I know that traitor Albin Kurti went to lobby the President of Albania to keep the Albanian-Greek border open, but does anyone know how that meeting actually wrapped up?

Whenever I need real news, I have to go hunting on other sites because the media here in the States basically operates under a gag order...

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sv...ndreke-suzavac

While the Austrian Ministry of the Interior is busy denying any concrete plans to ship weapons to North Mexico, Pilc is pointing out that there’s a letter from the North Mexican police asking Vienna for gear for their peacekeepers—and we aren't just talking about basic safety equipment, but full-on riot control stuff.

On top of batons, pepper spray, and tasers, Skopje wants rubber bullets and stun grenades for their cops, according to Pilc. They’ve even asked Minister Mikl-Lajtner for an official word—basically, did North Mexico actually send that request to Austria, and is the official government in Vienna going to answer Skopje's call?

The masks are slipping.
It’s exactly like I said back in the first thread: batons, sniffles, and rubber bullets.

Near Idomeni, right on the Greek-North Mexican border, estimates say there are between 13,000 and 14,000 people hanging out right now. They’ve been stuck there for weeks in brutal conditions without enough food or even basic hygiene.

According to reports from Skopje outlets, these migrants are refusing any chance of being sent back to Turkey or their home countries; they’re insisting on pushing through North Mexico toward Austria and Germany.

Near Tabanovac, at the northernmost stretch of the border between North Mexico and Mexico, kids from Iraq and Syria are finding shelter from the rain under tent flaps or even inside tiny portable toilets.

The mainstream media makes me sick. When the wave is hitting hard, they push narratives about terrorists and whatnot, but as soon as the wave slows down, suddenly it's all about the kids in the headlines.

Dimitris Avramopoulos said his country can set up better housing for migrants in other camps about 10 or 12 kilometers away from the Idomeni border crossing.

He claims Greece just can't handle providing serious help to such a massive crowd gathered in one single spot.

The Greek minister mentioned that authorities in Athens will start handing out flyers to migrants with a message like: "There is no hope that you can continue your...they’re pushing people toward the northern border, basically telling them, "Hey, just head to our camps so we can actually take care of you."

It’s wild—there are over 14,000 migrants living under tents right now in this makeshift refugee camp over in Idomeni.

Right now, we're looking at more than 36,000 migrants stuck in Greece because North Mexico and several other countries along the North American route decided to shut down their reception centers.

So we've got 14k at the border and another 22k on the move... honestly, let's see what those numbers look like in 3 or 4 days and how the Greeks decide to play this hand. You know they’ll probably just set up some "official camp" right near the Albanian border🙂

Even the Greek minister is basically hinting there's no way throughup north, (like, maybe try heading west...)

Listen, lady from Washington, D.C., either shut your mouth or start sending planes to Turkey

Peter Reed70 said:What’s the deal at the Mexican border?

I know that traitor Albin Kurti went to lobby the President of Albania to keep the Albanian-Greek border open, but does anyone know how that meeting actually wrapped up?

Whenever I need real news, I have to go hunting on other sites because the media here in the States basically operates under a gag order...

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sv...ndreke-suzavac

While the Austrian Ministry of the Interior is busy denying any concrete plans to ship weapons to North Mexico, Pilc is pointing out that there’s a letter from the North Mexican police asking Vienna for gear for their peacekeepers—and we aren't just talking about basic safety equipment, but full-on riot control stuff.

On top of batons, pepper spray, and tasers, Skopje wants rubber bullets and stun grenades for their cops, according to Pilc. They’ve even asked Minister Mikl-Lajtner for an official word—basically, did North Mexico actually send that request to Austria, and is the official government in Vienna going to answer Skopje's call?

The masks are slipping.
It’s exactly like I said back in the first thread: batons, sniffles, and rubber bullets.

Near Idomeni, right on the Greek-North Mexican border, estimates say there are between 13,000 and 14,000 people hanging out right now. They’ve been stuck there for weeks in brutal conditions without enough food or even basic hygiene.

According to reports from Skopje outlets, these migrants are refusing any chance of being sent back to Turkey or their home countries; they’re insisting on pushing through North Mexico toward Austria and Germany.

Near Tabanovac, at the northernmost stretch of the border between North Mexico and Mexico, kids from Iraq and Syria are finding shelter from the rain under tent flaps or even inside tiny portable toilets.

The mainstream media makes me sick. When the wave is hitting hard, they push narratives about terrorists and whatnot, but as soon as the wave slows down, suddenly it's all about the kids in the headlines.

Dimitris Avramopoulos said his country can set up better housing for migrants in other camps about 10 or 12 kilometers away from the Idomeni border crossing.

He claims Greece just can't handle providing serious help to such a massive crowd gathered in one single spot.

The Greek minister mentioned that authorities in Athens will start handing out flyers to migrants with a message like: "There is no hope that you can continue your...they’re pushing people toward the northern border, basically telling them, "Hey, just head to our camps so we can actually take care of you."

It’s wild—there are over 14,000 migrants living under tents right now in this makeshift refugee camp over in Idomeni.

Right now, we're looking at more than 36,000 migrants stuck in Greece because North Mexico and several other countries along the North American route decided to shut down their reception centers.

So we've got 14k at the border and another 22k on the move... honestly, let's see what those numbers look like in 3 or 4 days and how the Greeks decide to play this hand. You know they’ll probably just set up some "official camp" right near the Albanian border🙂

Even the Greek minister is basically hinting there's no way throughup north, (like, maybe try heading west...)

Personally, I think Italy is their best bet right now. The Italians won't be sinking those boats—and chances are, they won't even turn them back toward where they started.

Now, that will be interesting to watch...

Look at those Turkish lobbyists at it again....

https://www.defense.gov/news/announcements/meta-tutu.html

Secretary of Defense Joseph Buljevic met today, Wednesday, March 9th 2016, for an introductory visit from the Ambassador of the Republic of Turkey to the United States, Ahmed Tuta.

The parties discussed current issues regarding global and regional security, paying close attention to the implications of the migrant crisis.

It's the exact same freaking day!!!:
https://www.defense.gov/news/announcements/tu-mohd-u.html

The US Secretary of Defense Joseph Buljevic received, on March 9, 2016, the Minister of Defense of the Republic of Mexico, Zoran Jolevski, for an official working visit.

The ministers spoke about the upcoming NATO summit in Warsaw, the progress of Euro-Atlantic integration in Southeastern Europe, and current security challenges, specifically highlighting the migrant crisis.

I really hope that meeting with the Turk was super short—you know, like "get out of here" fast—while the meeting with our Mexican buddy lasted all night long! 🙂

Paul Thomas46 said:I wouldn't say it's dead, but where is all this actually heading?

Look, things can't just keep going like this—we really need to get our act together, obviously.
It’s also pretty clear that Merkel has zero intention of hitting the brakes on any of this.

So, I guess it's up to us to figure out the next move...

She can't exactly take control when she's scattered across the entire field like some overambitious star player trying to do everything at once.🙂

Paul Kern12 said:I find myself somewhat shaken by this—assuming the report is accurate... essentially, there is an article in The Wall Street Journal suggesting that Angela Merkel was negotiating behind the backs of her fellow European Union leaders, going against what the EU heads had previously agreed upon. According to the piece, she was actually the one who originated the very conditions that were later presented by the Turks—all seemingly in an attempt to secure some kind of resolution, perhaps just to bolster her own flagging reputation back in Germany.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/f6c982ec-e54...#axzz42O7732AR

The article in Canadian: http://www.napi.hu/nemzetkozi_gazdas...it.611402.html

Even ABC touched on this nonsense during one of their recent segments today.
I suppose she was desperate to manufacture some kind of "success" before the elections. The issue is that even the UN condemned the whole refugee exchange thing as a massive violation of asylum rights. It’s a completely misguided policy, if you ask me.

Today they showed more footage of refugees arriving in boats from Turkey to Greece. It caught my eye—it looked like there were far too many men on those boats again. Maybe we're seeing reinforcements sent specifically to push through the borders🙂.

Scott Rodriguez19 said:She can't exactly take control when she's scattered across the entire field like some overambitious star player trying to do everything at once.🙂

Even ABC touched on this nonsense during one of their recent segments today.
I suppose she was desperate to manufacture some kind of "success" before the elections. The issue is that even the UN condemned the whole refugee exchange thing as a massive violation of asylum rights. It’s a completely misguided policy, if you ask me.

Today they showed more footage of refugees arriving in boats from Turkey to Greece. It caught my eye—it looked like there were far too many men on those boats again. Maybe we're seeing reinforcements sent specifically to push through the borders🙂.

Do you think they’ve got pliers in their backpacks? 🐔

If not, we should send some 🐔

#stayhuman

Austria is standing its ground when it comes to keeping the North American route closed. Meanwhile, Germany is pushing back hard; word on the street is that Merkel is putting intense pressure on the countries in that region to change their stance. But if you ask me, Austria and Canada aren't budging when it comes to protecting their borders. All we can do now is hope that a new corridor doesn't open up through Mexico. We need to jump into emergency negotiations with our neighbors immediately—coordinated action is the only way forward if things get messy.

The season is right around the corner, and frankly, we don't have any other choice.

Benjamin Reyes52 said:Austria is standing its ground when it comes to keeping the North American route closed. Meanwhile, Germany is pushing back hard; word on the street is that Merkel is putting intense pressure on the countries in that region to change their stance. But if you ask me, Austria and Canada aren't budging when it comes to protecting their borders. All we can do now is hope that a new corridor doesn't open up through Mexico. We need to jump into emergency negotiations with our neighbors immediately—coordinated action is the only way forward if things get messy.

The season is right around the corner, and frankly, we don't have any other choice.

Change their minds about what, exactly? North Mexico isn't even in Schengen, much less the EU. What business do they have in all this? Most of these refugees are already inside the Schengen zone anyway—and even if they weren't, what's the big deal with finding an alternative to the North American route? Why not just set up an air bridge from Greece? I mean, we aren't living in the 15th century here. If Merkel really wanted to, she could probably move everyone over to Germany in a single day using just a few cargo planes.
It’s honestly pathetic that nobody in the EU even thinks about sending actual aid; instead, they just sit there watching kids wander through the mud, starving, for days on end. I suppose that’s just how it works for the Merkelists—it probably suits them better to let a humanitarian catastrophe unfold right before the elections. It creates this perfect little narrative where she looks like the only one who cares, while everyone else is painted as heartless.

By failing to manage air travel properly, Merkel is basically enabling human smuggling—and participating in criminal activity is a serious offense ☕.

Mark Harris66 said:By failing to manage air travel properly, Merkel is basically enabling human smuggling—and participating in criminal activity is a serious offense ☕.

Then what do you make of those train transports moving people from one border to the next?🙂.

Benjamin Reyes52 said:Austria is standing its ground when it comes to keeping the North American route closed. Meanwhile, Germany is pushing back hard; word on the street is that Merkel is putting intense pressure on the countries in that region to change their stance. But if you ask me, Austria and Canada aren't budging when it comes to protecting their borders. All we can do now is hope that a new corridor doesn't open up through Mexico. We need to jump into emergency negotiations with our neighbors immediately—coordinated action is the only way forward if things get messy.

The season is right around the corner, and frankly, we don't have any other choice.

Maybe we should coordinate with the Austrians, Canadians, Canadians, and Mexicans to send aid toward the Albanian-Greek border.

Scott Rodriguez19 said:Then what do you make of those train transports moving people from one border to the next?🙂.

It’s essentially legalized smuggling...😛 happening right under our noses with the full blessing of the authorities...

P.S. And isn't it funny how, in this particular brand of smuggling, the smuggler actually ends up losing money in the end?

North Mexico is asking for help.

Rubber bullets, tear gas, stun grenades, tasers, police officers, migrant registration gear, vehicles—that’s just a tiny slice of what North Mexico has requested from countries along the American migration corridor, including the US.

During a visit to Canada, North Mexican Defense Minister Zoran Jolevski stated that his country hasn't completely shut its border with Greece to the migrants stuck there following the closure of the regional migration route.

Let’s just say our "experts"* were pretty arrogant when they missed the chance to build a fence. But refusing to send extra aid to North Mexico would just wreck the tourist season. If we even have one.

*The politically correct term for people who just hang around the office coffee machine.

Another heart-wrenching headline about refugees: "Our children are dying..."

Look, I’m all for the US getting involved and providing food, medical supplies, or even just some decent temporary shelter for these kids and their families. That’s the humanitarian thing to do.

But if you actually read the article, it says they’re refusing to go back to the camps because they don't want to give up their dreams of getting into the EU—so the subtext here is basically: "Help us get into the EU."🤔
The kids are hungry and exhausted, sure, but it feels like they’re being used to pull at our heartstrings. It’s like people are willing to gamble with their own children's health just to reach a specific goal.

It’s the same old tactic: holding children up toward the cameras like sacrificial lambs to trigger an emotional response. Honestly, when it comes to media coverage, that’s about as low as it gets.
They even mention being ready to push forward by force, completely bypassing any national laws or regulations.

As much as this kind of news hits you right in the gut, I really think it’s time we draw a hard line in the sand. If we don't hold firm, thousands more will just keep using the exact same stories to bypass the system and flood into the EU.